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2009-04-15 12:39 PM

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Subject: Cycling power: how many watts does an average person pull?
I don't have a power meter but sometimes I'll ride the stationary at the gym due to my schedule. I don't trust the distance or speed so I generally look at the watts for a relative measure of my performance.

I've never trained with power. I mean we all sort of know how fast is fast when it comes to running but what's an average person pull on the bike? What about a pro? I'm talking about on average and in gross generalities.


2009-04-15 12:45 PM
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Subject: RE: Cycling power: how many watts does an average person pull?
merlin2375 - 2009-04-15 1:39 PM I don't have a power meter but sometimes I'll ride the stationary at the gym due to my schedule. I don't trust the distance or speed so I generally look at the watts for a relative measure of my performance.


I'm going to guess that the power readings on LifeCycles and the like are just as accurate as the speed/distance readings.
2009-04-15 12:50 PM
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Subject: RE: Cycling power: how many watts does an average person pull?
It depends significantly on the distance of the race, of course.

I was 7th out of 61 in my AG (M40-44) and 77th out of 609 overall at the Lonestar 1/2. For that race, my normalized power was 186 watts.

For the sprint the day before, I was 5/48 and 30/973 at 199 watts.

Since I was doing both races, that's a little off of what I would do if they weren't back to back. Another data point, my FTP is 237 watts.

If I remember a conversation with Jamie Cleveland when he was coaching me, I think he's pushing 270-280 for a 1/2. That would explain his 25.2 mph split.
2009-04-15 12:51 PM
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Subject: RE: Cycling power: how many watts does an average person pull?
You shouldn't trust the watts either.  Anyway, better to look at watts relative to size.  Check out the charts in this article.



Edit:  Oh, and the average person pushes watts on the bike. 

Edited by JohnnyKay 2009-04-15 12:54 PM
2009-04-15 12:54 PM
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Subject: RE: Cycling power: how many watts does an average person pull?
Quote from website[1]:
"Armstrong can ride up the mountains in France generating about 500 watts of power for 20 minutes, something a typical 25-year-old could do for only 30 seconds. A professional hockey player might last three minutes and then throw up."

Quote from website[2]:
"Armstrong sure can crank. During the final hour of a seven-hour stage of the Tour, he can pedal at an average of 400 watts. (Track racers have pushed it over 2,000 watts for a few seconds. The average cyclist can barely light a 100-watt lamp.) "

Sources:
1. http://www.active.com/story.cfm?CHECKSSO=0&CATEGORY=tdf2005_index&S...

2. http://www.cio.com/article/29173/Lance_Armstrong_Cycling_Power

2009-04-15 12:58 PM
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Subject: RE: Cycling power: how many watts does an average person pull?
How much power a person can generate depends on many things such as fitness, genetics (height, weight), gender, age, bike fit, power meter, etc. The only way to compare how closer or not you are vs another rider is by comparing your power to weight ratio. That is taking your best average power for a given duration (i.e. 60 min) and divided by your weight in Kilograms. That way you can compare how much power you generate per Kg and how much power I for instance can generate x Kg.

To give you an idea, currently my 60 min power (estimated using Monod's critical power model) is around 256watts, and I weight 140 pounds, that puts me @ 4.03- w/Kg.

Once you figure out your power for 'x' duarion and get your w/Kg ratio you could use the attached table on the link to see how do you stack the power #s produced by some of the best cyclists at each durationm although the power readings you might get on those machines might not be accurate:

http://home.trainingpeaks.com/media/69406/powerprofiling_v4.xls  


2009-04-15 1:02 PM
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Subject: RE: Cycling power: how many watts does an average person pull?
Yay! I read the first "source" and I'm better than an "average cyclist"
2009-04-15 1:19 PM
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Subject: RE: Cycling power: how many watts does an average person pull?

not sure what Im at as I do not have a power meter either. i know for the pros, especially for the TdF, the "magic" number is around 6.6-6.7 watts per kilogram.

I know in 04 Lance was maxing out around 470-480 watts for the TdF



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Subject: RE: Cycling power: how many watts does an average person pull?
JorgeM - 2009-04-15 1:58 PM How much power a person can generate depends on many things such as fitness, genetics (height, weight), gender, age, bike fit, power meter, etc. The only way to compare how closer or not you are vs another rider is by comparing your power to weight ratio. That is taking your best average power for a given duration (i.e. 60 min) and divided by your weight in Kilograms. That way you can compare how much power you generate per Kg and how much power I for instance can generate x Kg.

To give you an idea, currently my 60 min power (estimated using Monod's critical power model) is around 256watts, and I weight 140 pounds, that puts me @ 4.03- w/Kg.

Once you figure out your power for 'x' duarion and get your w/Kg ratio you could use the attached table on the link to see how do you stack the power #s produced by some of the best cyclists at each durationm although the power readings you might get on those machines might not be accurate:

http://home.trainingpeaks.com/media/69406/powerprofiling_v4.xls  
Very interesting! Does that mean that the assumption is generally if you're bigger you are able to produce more power? Thinking aloud, I guess you'd have to make more power in order to ride at the same speed on the same course as another rider? Thanks for all the info!

ETA:
Without buying a power tap is there a way to get a maximum power output reading? Do performance testing places offer a quick max test for a reasonable price?


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Subject: RE: Cycling power: how many watts does an average person pull?
merlin2375 - 2009-04-15 2:30 PM

ETA:
Without buying a power tap is there a way to get a maximum power output reading? Do performance testing places offer a quick max test for a reasonable price?


I'm sure you could find a place to do that, but I'm not sure what you would get from it.
2009-04-15 2:09 PM
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JohnnyKay - 2009-04-15 3:04 PM
merlin2375 - 2009-04-15 2:30 PM

ETA:
Without buying a power tap is there a way to get a maximum power output reading? Do performance testing places offer a quick max test for a reasonable price?


I'm sure you could find a place to do that, but I'm not sure what you would get from it.
Yeah it certainly wouldn't be a training tool but more of a point-in-time measure then I figure I could ride for a few months come back and do it again. Of course I am thinking this should cost around $30.

I'm just not ready to jump into a power tap quite yet (expennnsive!)


2009-04-15 2:14 PM
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Subject: RE: Cycling power: how many watts does an average person pull?
yes larger people are going to put out more watts at te same effort level, or go slower ont he same watts as someone smaller.


i am right now sitting on 260 for hour long power, right around 300 for 20 min power
weight is at 150 right now.

2009-04-15 2:18 PM
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Subject: RE: Cycling power: how many watts does an average person pull?
merlin2375 - 2009-04-15 3:09 PM
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Without buying a power tap is there a way to get a maximum power output reading? Do performance testing places offer a quick max test for a reasonable price?


I'm sure you could find a place to do that, but I'm not sure what you would get from it.
Yeah it certainly wouldn't be a training tool but more of a point-in-time measure then I figure I could ride for a few months come back and do it again. Of course I am thinking this should cost around $30.

I'm just not ready to jump into a power tap quite yet (expennnsive!)


Do a time trial in training.  Repeat in the future.  Easier, cheaper, better.
2009-04-15 2:18 PM
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Subject: RE: Cycling power: how many watts does an average person pull?
Everyone at slowtwitch can do 350 for an hour.

2009-04-15 2:20 PM
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yeah dude, only its more like 450,


i love seeing the posts - i did 250 watts for my half, kicked on the bike, my FTP is 270, why did i run 12 min miles?
2009-04-15 2:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Cycling power: how many watts does an average person pull?
JohnnyKay - 2009-04-15 2:18 PM
merlin2375 - 2009-04-15 3:09 PM
JohnnyKay - 2009-04-15 3:04 PM
merlin2375 - 2009-04-15 2:30 PM

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Without buying a power tap is there a way to get a maximum power output reading? Do performance testing places offer a quick max test for a reasonable price?


I'm sure you could find a place to do that, but I'm not sure what you would get from it.
Yeah it certainly wouldn't be a training tool but more of a point-in-time measure then I figure I could ride for a few months come back and do it again. Of course I am thinking this should cost around $30.

I'm just not ready to jump into a power tap quite yet (expennnsive!)


Do a time trial in training.  Repeat in the future.  Easier, cheaper, better.
yes I have to agree with JK, if you don't have a PM for training it is better to do a TT under similar conditions every 4-6 weeks to see if your training program is working or not.

if you *really* want to know your power, get a friend that has a computrainer let you do a time trial and you can get an idea. Come to Boston, I'lll help you do thet maximal tests for free but you buy the beers later


2009-04-15 2:25 PM
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Subject: RE: Cycling power: how many watts does an average person pull?
smilford - 2009-04-15 2:18 PM Everyone at slowtwitch can do 350 for an hour.
yes but over there, they are like really fast like, for real 
2009-04-15 2:28 PM
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yeah, but over there, they all have watts/kg WAY over 6.5, we mortals stand no chance
2009-04-15 2:28 PM
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newbz - 2009-04-15 2:14 PM yes larger people are going to put out more watts at te same effort level, or go slower ont he same watts as someone smaller. i am right now sitting on 260 for hour long power, right around 300 for 20 min power weight is at 150 right now.
if you don't mind me asking, do you know what's your 5 min power? The drop on your power curve from 20 to 60 min seems a bit high for the usual figures I see from other athletes. Not saying it is not possible, I am just curious. PM me if you want to, thanks!
2009-04-15 2:31 PM
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Subject: RE: Cycling power: how many watts does an average person pull?

Here's another datapoint for you, though I'm not sure how much it will help.

My threshold power is 231 watts and my weight is 55.5kg, so 4.16W/kg.

This website is good:

http://www.analyticcycling.com/

2009-04-15 2:32 PM
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jeng - 2009-04-15 2:31 PM

Here's another datapoint for you, though I'm not sure how much it will help.

My threshold power is 231 watts and my weight is 55.5kg, so 4.16W/kg.

This website is good:

http://www.analyticcycling.com/

NICE! what level/cat do you race up there?


2009-04-15 2:33 PM
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Subject: RE: Cycling power: how many watts does an average person pull?
Thanks again for all the info!

Do most of you guys that have power taps
a) build the wheel yourself around the hub
b) do you race that wheel or use the power tap only in training
c) find that it maintains it's accuracy over the years

ETA:
d) how come saris is pretty much the only company to make power meters. I started to look at the iBike thing but reviews are pretty mixed. I still can't figure out exactly how it gets power.



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JorgeM - 2009-04-15 12:32 PM
jeng - 2009-04-15 2:31 PM

Here's another datapoint for you, though I'm not sure how much it will help.

My threshold power is 231 watts and my weight is 55.5kg, so 4.16W/kg.

This website is good:

http://www.analyticcycling.com/

NICE! what level/cat do you race up there?

Cat 3. I'm pretty close to Cat 2... one more 5th or better could put me in it, but I'm kind of scared.

2009-04-15 2:41 PM
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Subject: RE: Cycling power: how many watts does an average person pull?
JorgeM - 2009-04-15 12:58 PM ...The only way to compare how closer or not you are vs another rider is by comparing your power to weight ratio. That is taking your best average power for a given duration (i.e. 60 min) and divided by your weight in Kilograms. That way you can compare how much power you generate per Kg and how much power I for instance can generate x Kg.

To give you an idea, currently my 60 min power (estimated using Monod's critical power model) is around 256watts, and I weight 140 pounds, that puts me @ 4.03- w/Kg....
 


Carp, that makes me weak, fat or both....
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merlin2375 - 2009-04-15 3:33 PM Thanks again for all the info!

Do most of you guys that have power taps
a) build the wheel yourself around the hub
b) do you race that wheel or use the power tap only in training
c) find that it maintains it's accuracy over the years

ETA:
d) how come saris is pretty much the only company to make power meters. I started to look at the iBike thing but reviews are pretty mixed. I still can't figure out exactly how it gets power.



a)  Purchased the PT built into a wheel
b)  Have a disc cover that goes over the wheel
c).  Still accurate as far as I can tell.  Saris does provide upgrades at a discounted price
d)  Saris is the maker of  powertap.  Plenty models exist including Ergomo, SRM, Quarq.  Those are all in the bottom bracket of the bike. 
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