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2009-12-31 11:12 AM

Subject: Pelvic Tilt vs Leg Length Discrepancy - WTF is wrong with me?

I know that generally, one should not ask for medical advice on the interwebs, and I'm not really, but I just want to know what other people have experienced here. As some know, I've been battling injury for the better part of this year. We don't need to go into the specifics of my training because at this point, I think it might be better if I quit running altogether, that my body simply won't cooperate. If I'd started at a young age, maybe I'd be strong enough, but trying to start running when you're 26 was maybe not a good idea.

I went to a PT who diagnosed me with a leg length discrepancy. I know that pelvic tilts can often be misdiagnosed as a discrepancy. But regardless, I KNOW that something is out of balance. I feel like my right leg is longer than the left, simply standing around. My right hip is definitely higher than my left, if I stand in a mirror and put my thumbs on the bones. My right hip is also tighter than the other one, which I know can cause the illusion that the hip is higher, but if that's the case, wouldn't that mean that the affected leg appears SHORTER than the other? In my case, the right leg actually feels longer (which would account for why the hip is hiked, and causing the muscles to be effed up). 

As of tomorrow, I have no health insurance; well, I have to pay for a high-deductible plan and as I'm losing half of my already not-so-high salary, I simply don't have the money to pay out of pocket for another evaluation. I also can't afford to join a gym to run in the pool. I know that stretching and strengthening can help with a pelvic tilt, but if that's not what I have, then I don't know what else I can do. Orthotics didn't work and nearly gave me a stress fracture, but a temporary lift in my left shoe seemed to help and definitely felt better, but I know it's still not a good fix. I mostly sit during the day and since I have not really been able to train since as far back as July, I feel like my hip is getting tighter and even worse.

I'm sorry this is so rambling, but I'm just really frustrated right now - the ortho says I can start trying to slowly run again (like, build to 2 miles at a time over 4 weeks). But I feel like I'm just going to keep having problems if no one tells me what the hell is wrong with me. This has been an awful year, and running was the only thing I had to keep my sanity, the only part of my day that I enjoyed. Has anyone ever had problems like this, with not being able to figure out what was the true issue? Is there anything that I haven't tried that I should look into? Any other thoughts?

ETA: if it helps at all, I run in a neutral shoe (PT said it was fine, as did 3 running stores), my left foot is totally neutral, the right foot overpronates slightly from the ankle (apparently to compensate for the length). She did a full lower lumbar evaluation as well as a gait analysis with slow-motion footage. Arches are high and stiff (which is why orthotics were NOT good) - I currently have soft arch support inserts, but they don't seem to work at all and I fear are probably bad for the 'good' foot. I used to dance, and my left leg has always been more stable (and I feel more balanced if I shift my weight to my left leg).



Edited by wurkit_gurl 2009-12-31 11:35 AM


2009-12-31 11:59 AM
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I'm not sure how it fits into your financial situation, but I'd suggest you talk to a good chiropractor. He/she might be able to get you at least partly straightened out.

You said that the lift in your left shoe seemed to help and felt better, but you dismissed it as "not a good fix". Why not?

2009-12-31 12:05 PM
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MLJ - 2009-12-31 12:59 PM I'm not sure how it fits into your financial situation, but I'd suggest you talk to a good chiropractor. He/she might be able to get you at least partly straightened out. You said that the lift in your left shoe seemed to help and felt better, but you dismissed it as "not a good fix". Why not?

I still use the lift, but I just don't know that it's a permanent fix. I don't know if I'm fully healed from the orthotics debacle (only way to tell is through trying to run (and possibly injuring myself further) or another bone scan which I can't afford), so the lift may only be part of the solution, not the full.

At this point in time, I can't afford to go see anyone - PT, doctor, chiro, etc. I don't know how long it will take me to get another job, or at least another part-time job for the interim. So unless I have a real medical emergency, I can't justify the cost. I'd really LIKE to, but I know that it's not a smart move, financially. Yeah, my mental state is important too, blah blah, but again, unless I'm dying or need surgery, I really should NOT spend the money. In this economy, I feel like I shouldn't gamble. I won't actually die if I can't run.

2009-12-31 1:03 PM
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You've probably read all sorts of stuff, but here is one article:

http://www.chiroweb.com/mpacms/dc/article.php?id=15329
2009-12-31 1:22 PM
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MLJ - 2009-12-31 2:03 PM You've probably read all sorts of stuff, but here is one article: http://www.chiroweb.com/mpacms/dc/article.php?id=15329

Thanks - yeah, that is what I am trying to figure out. From everything I've read, a functional leg length discrepancy is caused by muscles being tight and out of whack etc, but the side that's messed up is usually the SHORTER one b/c the hip gets "raised" by being tight, etc. In my case, it's the longer leg that has issues with tightness/raised hip, which is why I think the PT thought it was a structural discrepancy, as the longer leg would be the weaker, tighter leg from the body having to rely on the shorter leg for balance and stability. I passed all the scoliosis tests as a kid and the PT didn't find any abnormal curvature of my spine. But I didn't play sports as a kid, and so I never got injured and had to be checked out. So this went unnoticed. But even when I danced, esp. in college, I knew something was off. But again, it didn't cause any problems, so I didn't know to get it checked out.

Believe me, once I am able to have real health insurance, or even enough extra cash to do it out of pocket, I will consult with another specialist. But in this economy, I have NO idea when that will be - could be months from now.

 

2010-01-01 12:15 PM
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Did the PT find a functional leg length discrepancy or an anatomical leg length discrepancy.  There's a difference, and it will determine treatment.


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Subject: RE: Pelvic Tilt vs Leg Length Discrepancy - WTF is wrong with me?
Hi... I have had (and still do have) the same problem.  Basically, I have a herniated disc in L4-5 that was diagnosed from a CT scan.  I also have a tilted pelvis that also freezes up @ the Sacroiliac joint.  Both these conditions have led to a leg length discrepancy.

I know that you are maxed out with health care funds.  The key is a proper diagnosis.  I have been to many, many PT's and chiro's and they all have said different things.  I am @ the point where I have found people in my health care team that I really trust and they have really helped me.  Currently, I only see my chiro for "tweeks".  My chiro does adjustments, soft tissue work and gives me exercises.

A heel lift is only a band-aid solution unless you truly have a longer leg!  It could be that your pelvis is titted and that is it.  If this is the case, you are right about stretching.  What you need to add in is stabilizing as well.

What works best for me is exercise, rolling, specific exercises, stabilization and watching my weight.  Also, I just started these exercises (again) : http://www.youtube.com/user/ZealousVitality#p/a/f/0/aRzx01L0Pdw

They have helped me out.  I hope this helps.  Basically, if you have a proper diagnosis that you trust.... you may be able to do most of the rehab on your own.

Good luck.
2010-01-01 2:14 PM
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chunta - 2010-01-01 1:15 PM Did the PT find a functional leg length discrepancy or an anatomical leg length discrepancy.  There's a difference, and it will determine treatment.

As I stated in my post above, yes, I know there is a difference. She diagnosed it as an anatomical (strutural) disrepancy. I know that an x-ray is usually the way to tell this, which she mentioned, but she said there were other ways - basically, she moved my lower half around so as to align my hips into a level neutral position, and saw that the one leg was slightly longer than the other. I suppose she could have been wrong with this technique, but I don't know and certainly at the time wasn't going to question her (it's not like I have a degree in kineseology).

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Subject: RE: Pelvic Tilt vs Leg Length Discrepancy - WTF is wrong with me?
Hi wurkit_girl!

I know you posted this many years ago, but I am dealing with EXACTLY the same thing right now. I would love to know if you found a fix.

Thank you!
2018-05-29 9:14 AM
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Originally posted by Rachael217

Hi wurkit_girl!

I know you posted this many years ago, but I am dealing with EXACTLY the same thing right now. I would love to know if you found a fix.

Thank you!



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2018-06-03 10:06 PM
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Subject: RE: Pelvic Tilt vs Leg Length Discrepancy - WTF is wrong with me?
A pelvic tilt forward and down will cause your leg to be lifted, making it appear to be shorter. This is a bit long and confusing, so please bear with me while I explain. I've been treating endurance athletes since 1989, and I've seen this situation hundreds of times. Fortunately I know that you can self-treat each of the muscles causing this problem, and I will explain the treatment for the keystone muscle (Rectus Femoris) at the end of this message.

There is a muscle called the Psoas that originates on the front side of your lumbar vertebrae (behind your intestines) that starts this whole situation. The psoas muscle comes down the anterior lumbar vertebrae, passes along the inside of your pelvis, and it inserts into the inside/top of your thigh bone. When the psoas contracts you go from standing to sitting (pedaling your bike while in the aerodynamic position causes your psoas to go to its shortest possible length). The next muscle is called Iliacus. Your iliacus originates along the entire inside curve of your pelvis and inserts into the exact same place as your psoas. When this muscle contracts you lift your leg to take a step or sit down (ditto about cycling). When these muscles are held contracted for an extended period of time, a phenomenon called muscle memory causes them to shorten to the contracted length. This is happening whether you are sitting in your car, at your desk, or cycling for hours.

When the muscle shortens due to muscle memory and you go to stand up straight, the shorter muscle won't let you stand up without putting a strain on your lumbar and pelvis. As a result the two muscles are rotated forward and down. This puts a strain on the front side of your lumbar vertebrae, putting pressure on your disks and the nerves that come out of your vertebrae. As your pelvis rotates downward, another muscle called Rectus Femoris (one of your quadriceps muscles) is forced to shorten in order for it to straighten your leg as you stand up. The reason it needs to shorten is because your rectus femoris muscle originates on the tip of your pelvis and inserts into your shinbone, below your kneecap. However, its origination point moved DOWN during the rotation and now it's too long to do the job. The body ties a big knot (spasm) in the center of the muscle, which works when you go to stand up, but when you try to bend your knee the muscle is too short. The shortness of the rectus femoris muscle is now holding your pelvis tilt forward and down. It is also pulling up on your kneecap and could cause you to either have stiffness or pain in your knee when you try to bend it.

As this is happening, all of the muscles that originate on your sacrum and your pelvis, and insert into the top of your thigh bone, are being twisted. This causes them to also shorten, pulling up on your thigh bone. It causes your leg to appear shorter, but it’s only because the muscles are pulling up on your thigh bone.

Even though this isn’t your issue, I’ll continue explaining what happens in the back of your body. As your pelvis is going down in the front it is moving your pubic bone backward causing your adductors (inner thigh) to overstretch, causing pain either at your groin or your inner knee. Your hamstrings are being overstretched because their origination point is moving up, causing pain at either the top of your leg or the back of your knee. Plus your hamstrings feel so tight that you think you need to stretch them, but they are already overstretched and stretching could cause the muscle fibers to get micro-tears. And your pelvis is also pressing up on your sciatic nerve, causing terrible pain from your hip to your foot.

A muscle in your hip (Tensor Fascia Lata) is being torqued, which puts a strain on your iliotibial band (ITB), causing hip and otter knee pain. And a muscle of your low back on the top of your pelvis (Quadratus Lumborum) shortens or it can’t do the job of picking up your hip when you take a step.

There’s a lot more, but you get the point, to just say that your pelvis is tilted is ignoring a lot of problems that occur because of the tilt. And most practitioners ignore the impact of the psoas, iliacus, and rectus femoris as the cause of the pelvis tilt, so it doesn’t go away with chiropractic adjustments or even deep massage.

To treat your rectus femoris, take the heel of your hand, or a 12” length of 1” PVC pipe, and slide (don’t roll) down toward the outside of your quadriceps. The muscle is located between the front of your thigh and the very outside of your thigh. If you go to my Instagram page (@JulstroMethod) you’ll see self-treatments for your quadriceps and hips. It’s easier for you to go there and see the pictures than for me to explain how to do it here. I wrote a book titled “The Pain-Free Athlete” that teaches you how to treat each of the muscles, but doing this treatment is the most important one to rotate your pelvis back where it belongs.

Wishing you well,
Julie Donnelly

YOU are your own Best Therapist! Visit www.FlexibleAthlete.com and www.JulstroMethod.com to find logical solutions to chronic pain and sports injuries.




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