IM vets- Deciding when/if to try IM
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2011-05-15 11:25 AM |
Master 2426 Central Indiana | Subject: IM vets- Deciding when/if to try IM I'm 50+ male, 6'/173#, in 3rd yr of tri. Did 1st sprint on whim as fundraiser to support neighbor's swim club. Since then have done several sprints & Oly's (MOP), with 1st HIM last summer (time <6:25). Also have run 2 marathons (last 2 falls, 4:54), and ran sub-2hr HM last week on run-focused training. On the fence deciding to try iron distance race this fall (B2B??). For sprints & Oly's I knew I was ready 'cause I did entire event lengths as practices (tri-sport 'bricks'). During HIM training I did a 1.25mi OWS as well as a 60/13.1 bike/run brick, (prob helped more mentally than physically). Obviously that 'do the distance in practice' approach not possible (or desirable) for IM. I've done several century+ rides annually for some time, and know what run/walk marathon distance is about. My weakness would be the swim. My longest straight swim to date is 2500M (~1hr pool swim yest). My 2011 logs are UTD, inc. taper to race HM last week. Logs from 2010 not entered, but put in many 10-13hr weeks. Maybe ~20wks left to train for IM try this fall, & my life schedule could tolerate ramping up to 12-14hr peak training weeks. I would aim for ~15hr IM goal to leave some time cushion to finish. Tactical plan might be slow, easy swim (1:45-2hr), moderate bike (6.5-7hr), and easy run (6 hr run/walk). So IM vets what say ye? Go for it or wait 'til next year to gain experience & work on my swim? |
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2011-05-15 4:32 PM in reply to: #3499886 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: IM vets- Deciding when/if to try IM Things to consider.... Do you have support from family/friends? Do you have the time to add to your training the long workouts....with longer swims, bikes and runs each week? Does the timing of the race work into your life? For me certain times of the year my life is more hectic based on the activities and time commitments of my kids and husband. Big difference between HIM and IM training is long workouts. Fatigue both mental and physical are another key difference between HIM and IM distance. Going forward I wouldn't do those long bricks (60/13.1) as it is like doing race distance in training for race....maybe 50-60 miles/45' max run. Doing long bricks in training causes fatigue that will catch up on you and show up in subtle ways after wards...fatigue..missed workouts...mental fatigue, and more. |
2011-05-15 4:59 PM in reply to: #3499886 |
Champion 7595 Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: IM vets- Deciding when/if to try IM Yep, Kathy nailed it. You have the background to train for and finish an IM if that's what you want to do. The real issues are the other factors, as Kathy mentioned -- support, time, desire, money. B2B is a good race, IMO. I did it last year and I say it was a fun race despite an epically bad nutrition day. If you are going to do it, the time to get started on a plan is very soon. |
2011-05-15 5:09 PM in reply to: #3499886 |
Master 2426 Central Indiana | Subject: RE: IM vets- Deciding when/if to try IM Thanks for your thoughts Kathy & Michael. Good to hear B2B is enjoyable event. Seemed like as good an event for spectating as any with laps through town. And NC coast is good place to visit. Expenses not an issue, but DW much prefers supporting me on shorter events. Training time is limited by work & my middle-age bod, not DW. I know the long brick (e.g. my HIM bike/run) is not recommended training. Just had the urge to see if I could do it, and did it some weeks pre-event. Clearly that is an emotional luxury that does not fit well into IM training. I enjoy long cycling events & my summer calendar already includes multiple centuries. Just finished 2 1/2hr long run this afternoon, and may run marathon with friends in 4 weeks. I guess it all comes back to how fast I can develop that swim endurance. I would hate to have my entire day at B2B depend on a favorable tide
You're never too old to rock 'n roll if you're too young to die-----Ian Anderson Edited by Oldteen 2011-05-15 5:25 PM |
2011-05-15 5:34 PM in reply to: #3499886 |
Master 2406 Bellevue, WA | Subject: RE: IM vets- Deciding when/if to try IM There is no "one right way" to approach IM training or one answer. to "when/if". Here's what I see when I read your post: You've done two marathons, you know what a 26.2 mile run is like. You've done 10-13 hour training weeks. You know what a long race day feels like from doing an HIM. So you're not a newbie to long training and racing. Your training base is solid enough and your speed is fast enough (sub-2hr HM on run focused training). You've completed hard training days (60mile / 13.1 mile brick). You have ~20 hours left to train, and you could do 12-14 hour peak weeks. Yeah, you could do an IM this fall no problem, and probably closer to upper 13 low 14 hour range not 15hr. You've got more than sufficient basic fitness and skills. Work on distance first, then speed. Like Kathy says, I'd skip the long bricks because they're quite demanding, but shorter bricks are fine. I suggest you try something like the "Be Iron Fit" intermediate program. I think it would suit you well. |
2011-05-15 5:51 PM in reply to: #3499886 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: IM vets- Deciding when/if to try IM Just an IM wannabe here... But I think you posting this thread tells me you're ready. |
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2011-05-16 6:18 PM in reply to: #3499886 |
Veteran 237 Buffalo Grove | Subject: RE: IM vets- Deciding when/if to try IM It took me 5 years to do my first IM (have completed 5). I dont know if there is ever a "Im ready moment". If this is something that you want to do, you just have to decide to do it and then design your training to meet your goal. |
2011-05-16 6:29 PM in reply to: #3499886 |
Subject: RE: IM vets- Deciding when/if to try IM And if swim is your weakness, I hear B2B is the one to do |
2011-05-25 5:26 PM in reply to: #3499886 |
Master 2426 Central Indiana | Subject: RE: IM vets- Deciding when/if to try IM Finally did 4,000M straight pool swim today (1:44 in jammers, not wetsuit). Despite slow overall pace (some leg/foot cramps late), it was straight freestyle (no wall-hanging, backstroke, etc.) & easily under IM swim cut off. Felt tired after but good enough to get in 5mi run and short 7mi spin on tri bike (for position testing). I know pool ain't OWS, but doing full IM swim leg is still milestone in my confidence. Last remaining barrier is convincing DW to devote week vacation to help satisfying this IM mid-life crisis
Thanks all for comments, and brucemorgan for suggestion on Don Fink's book. Edited by Oldteen 2011-05-25 5:29 PM |
2011-05-26 10:08 AM in reply to: #3499886 |
Regular 233 NW | Subject: RE: IM vets- Deciding when/if to try IM With your base you could do it in the fall no problem and I'm guessing well under 15 hours. Successful first IM is all about pacing (on the bike). The above posters hit it all right on. I would suggest planning a few weeks a month and a half before the event that would approach 20 hours. It does wonders for the confidence going into the event. I really have found the main difference between training for the HIM and the IM is the longer bike training. If you enjoy long bike training already, you're set! Good luck! |
2011-05-26 12:28 PM in reply to: #3519857 |
Master 2426 Central Indiana | Subject: RE: IM vets- Deciding when/if to try IM tamason- Thanks for the supportive comments. I am really a cyclist at heart & made hard decision to cut the bike & do run-focused training this spring. Paid off with solid (for me) HM this month. Now really looking forward to getting more saddle time for some good long rides this summer. And some nice hot lake swims with the weeds, snakes, and snapping turtles |
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