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2012-09-08 11:34 AM

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Im in!!! My first 100 miler in April.  Anyone else get in?


2012-09-08 7:15 PM
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Jungle Jenn - 2012-09-08 12:34 PM

Im in!!! My first 100 miler in April.  Anyone else get in?

Congratulations! I looked at 3:00 and it was closed. I was also looking at the inaugural Indian Trail 100 a couple of weeks later in April. http://www.indianatrail100.com/ The course is a 16.67 mile mixture of wide and narrow trails - from rolling hills, dirt, and off
camber grass sections. The 100 milers will run six loops on the course. There's also a 50 miler. Profile doesn't look too bad.

2012-09-09 2:48 PM
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I'm in!  This will be my third year at Umstead.  It is an AWESOME event.
2012-09-12 11:01 AM
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Ive been looking at a couple training plans...one from relentless forward progress and another I cant remember where I printed it off of? Both of these have back to back long runs on the weekends and one is 4 days of running the RFP is 5 days which I did for the 50 miler and doing for JFK50.....Blake from Umstead site has a great training for your first 100 miler printout with lots of info but cant really tell when the plan should start exactly and he has just a long long run on Saturday and off on Sunday...also has a brisk walk day which I understand that completely also.  What have those that have done a 100 miler before suggest? Have you done just the long long run on Saturdays or always done back to back longs?  Seems I read more about this training plan.

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2012-09-13 12:37 PM
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don't listen to me, I crashed and burned.

but.....

Looks like some hills down there so I would be running hills to get that strength in your legs going up and down.

Be very very scared, very prepared regarding nutrition and rest breaks and clothing and shoe changes. Make sure you have have clothes you are comfortable in. Is this a 24+ race....

I think you are in shape to do this, the mental stuff is crazy though and I am not sure how you possibly can prepare for it.

....you will be fine.....
2012-09-27 8:55 AM
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Ive decided on a plan to follow but will already have alot more running miles per week in before it starts due to the JFK50 miler Novemeber 17th...couple questions since I started this year with training for my first 50 miler last April I did alot of marathons and 50k's as training runs, I found it was nicer for me to have aid station out there, people and different scenery and since I was doing so many I qualified for the 50 States marathon club...so now Im planning to do the 50 states as a marathon or Ultra before Im 50 years old..at the rate Im going I will be done easily.  I would like to continue doing marathons or ultras during my 100 mile training cause i like to travel different places and seeing new routes but wanna make sure it wont jeopardize my training any.  Here are a couple of the ideas.... first of jan plan calls for a 24 sat and 10 sunday so I thought Id combine and just do the Frozen Sasquatch 50K again this year. There is a weekend that calls for a 50K and I thought I would do that miserable night time trail marathon in Indiana again thinking the night running on a trail would be very helpful for umstead...and it will take me just as long for that silly run then a normal 50k anyways? second week of feb calls for 22/20 and here is where I wonder if it would be bad to just doa 50K instead? 2 weeks later it calls for a 50 miler and I thought If I did the 50K 2 weeks before I could do a 100K this weekend?? The last weekend in question is middle of march 3 weeks before umstead..plan calls for a 24/20 which I thought was alot 3 weekends out and this would be 2 weekends after the 100K and thought Id do another 50k.  Hope you can follow this? hahaha  There may be a few others Id like to add to the plan when some more run calendars are produced.


2012-09-27 8:03 PM
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not sure what you are saying completely. I think with all the running you will be fine. Regarding the last 50k, if that is 21 days out from Umstead then I say go for it, if it is 14 days out I say skip it. Your mileage and training is a lot like mine and I wish I listened to those who said to go for a 21 day taper. I mean you can still go out and run for 4 hours 14 days out, but a 50k is a lot to recover from, especially with the rest of your runs.
2012-09-27 8:32 PM
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BigDH - 2012-09-27 9:03 PM not sure what you are saying completely. I think with all the running you will be fine. Regarding the last 50k, if that is 21 days out from Umstead then I say go for it, if it is 14 days out I say skip it. Your mileage and training is a lot like mine and I wish I listened to those who said to go for a 21 day taper. I mean you can still go out and run for 4 hours 14 days out, but a 50k is a lot to recover from, especially with the rest of your runs.

It's 21 days out...do you think the 100K instead of 50 miler is ok which is 5 weeks out?

2012-09-27 9:16 PM
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These post made my IT band tight so I've opted for a recovery week.
2012-09-27 9:49 PM
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Jungle Jenn - 2012-09-27 7:32 PM

BigDH - 2012-09-27 9:03 PM not sure what you are saying completely. I think with all the running you will be fine. Regarding the last 50k, if that is 21 days out from Umstead then I say go for it, if it is 14 days out I say skip it. Your mileage and training is a lot like mine and I wish I listened to those who said to go for a 21 day taper. I mean you can still go out and run for 4 hours 14 days out, but a 50k is a lot to recover from, especially with the rest of your runs.

It's 21 days out...do you think the 100K instead of 50 miler is ok which is 5 weeks out?



You want to arrive at the race at 100 percent. I think 5 weeks out is fine. Do whatever you want 5 weeks out. Run a 200 km week 5 weeks out. Run a 50k race hard 3 weeks out, I think that is lots of time to recover.

The thing is, it is clear you like to run and you like to race. But you aren't a hard core runner. You are slow. I mean I am slow. I am the same as you. My only concern for you is that from the tone of your post it sounds like you may rely on your love for running and your proven ability to run long distances and marathons back to back to get you through 100 miles, it is not enough. You need 3 things to get through this race:

1. Miles in your legs, which you already have;
2. A Plan, which I don't know if you have;
3. To be 100 percent rested on race day, which you may sacrifice because you like to run so much.

You can not fake this. There are people who can run 100 miles without a plan and without being rested. I don't think we are those people, we are not fast enough or strong enough for our body to carry us through when our mind and planning fail us.

I mean I don't know. I am still horribly frustrated about my own race and I may be be over emphisizing on the areas where I feel I failed. I think you can do this. I think if you tapered now for 3 weeks you could do this. I am really looking forward to hearing about it.

I hope this is helpful.
2012-09-28 7:04 AM
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BigDH - 2012-09-27 10:49 PM
Jungle Jenn - 2012-09-27 7:32 PM

BigDH - 2012-09-27 9:03 PM not sure what you are saying completely. I think with all the running you will be fine. Regarding the last 50k, if that is 21 days out from Umstead then I say go for it, if it is 14 days out I say skip it. Your mileage and training is a lot like mine and I wish I listened to those who said to go for a 21 day taper. I mean you can still go out and run for 4 hours 14 days out, but a 50k is a lot to recover from, especially with the rest of your runs.

It's 21 days out...do you think the 100K instead of 50 miler is ok which is 5 weeks out?

You want to arrive at the race at 100 percent. I think 5 weeks out is fine. Do whatever you want 5 weeks out. Run a 200 km week 5 weeks out. Run a 50k race hard 3 weeks out, I think that is lots of time to recover. The thing is, it is clear you like to run and you like to race. But you aren't a hard core runner. You are slow. I mean I am slow. I am the same as you. My only concern for you is that from the tone of your post it sounds like you may rely on your love for running and your proven ability to run long distances and marathons back to back to get you through 100 miles, it is not enough. You need 3 things to get through this race: 1. Miles in your legs, which you already have; 2. A Plan, which I don't know if you have; 3. To be 100 percent rested on race day, which you may sacrifice because you like to run so much. You can not fake this. There are people who can run 100 miles without a plan and without being rested. I don't think we are those people, we are not fast enough or strong enough for our body to carry us through when our mind and planning fail us. I mean I don't know. I am still horribly frustrated about my own race and I may be be over emphisizing on the areas where I feel I failed. I think you can do this. I think if you tapered now for 3 weeks you could do this. I am really looking forward to hearing about it. I hope this is helpful.

If you can open an excel sheet this is the plan I am using but in () is where I was planning on substituting different races instead of the planned training

I do love running but I love doing this for all the haters who tell me I can't even more. For me it's about seeing what I can or can not do...never tried to be fast I like it in the comfort zone and I like to have fun. I would prolly stop if I were not having fun anymore.

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2012-09-28 9:24 AM
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Jungle Jenn - 2012-09-28 6:04 AM

BigDH - 2012-09-27 10:49 PM
Jungle Jenn - 2012-09-27 7:32 PM

BigDH - 2012-09-27 9:03 PM not sure what you are saying completely. I think with all the running you will be fine. Regarding the last 50k, if that is 21 days out from Umstead then I say go for it, if it is 14 days out I say skip it. Your mileage and training is a lot like mine and I wish I listened to those who said to go for a 21 day taper. I mean you can still go out and run for 4 hours 14 days out, but a 50k is a lot to recover from, especially with the rest of your runs.

It's 21 days out...do you think the 100K instead of 50 miler is ok which is 5 weeks out?

You want to arrive at the race at 100 percent. I think 5 weeks out is fine. Do whatever you want 5 weeks out. Run a 200 km week 5 weeks out. Run a 50k race hard 3 weeks out, I think that is lots of time to recover. The thing is, it is clear you like to run and you like to race. But you aren't a hard core runner. You are slow. I mean I am slow. I am the same as you. My only concern for you is that from the tone of your post it sounds like you may rely on your love for running and your proven ability to run long distances and marathons back to back to get you through 100 miles, it is not enough. You need 3 things to get through this race: 1. Miles in your legs, which you already have; 2. A Plan, which I don't know if you have; 3. To be 100 percent rested on race day, which you may sacrifice because you like to run so much. You can not fake this. There are people who can run 100 miles without a plan and without being rested. I don't think we are those people, we are not fast enough or strong enough for our body to carry us through when our mind and planning fail us. I mean I don't know. I am still horribly frustrated about my own race and I may be be over emphasizing on the areas where I feel I failed. I think you can do this. I think if you tapered now for 3 weeks you could do this. I am really looking forward to hearing about it. I hope this is helpful.

If you can open an excel sheet this is the plan I am using but in () is where I was planning on substituting different races instead of the planned training

I do love running but I love doing this for all the haters who tell me I can't even more. For me it's about seeing what I can or can not do...never tried to be fast I like it in the comfort zone and I like to have fun. I would prolly stop if I were not having fun anymore.


I think that is a great plan. I mean you run less than I tend to think is necessary but it works for you. And I know it works for others. What amazed me were the people that finished the 100 miler I dnf'ed, the women in their late forties, the men in their early 60s, I mean these are people who run less than me, who I am faster than at everything up to a Marathon. So don't think just because you are slow that you will be slow at your 100 miler or less prepared than people faster than you.

I like your taper, with your training that is the key. I think your substitutions are fine.
2012-09-28 7:01 PM
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Just remember, the best thing about this game is that everyone has their own approach and you must learn what is necessary for you to finish. 

If you follow that plan I would expect that you will most definitely have a buckle to brag about in April. 

....and no I didn't get into Umstead - didn't try either.  hahaha. 

 

 

 

 

2012-09-30 9:27 AM
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here's my two pennies:

Plan looks solid and should get you the the finish line.  having experienced nutritional crashes in a few events now i would that that aspect is the key more than anything else.  make sure to practice munching on real food (not just gels and chomps!!) during your long training days to get used to it.  also during those days, eat and drink even if you don't feel like you have to. 

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