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2013-04-17 7:33 PM

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Went out for my long run today, was going to be 10 miles in zone 2, 152-162 bpm HR. Set off and was running 7:25 pace. This is a bit faster than my usual runs and I glanced at my HR, mid-upper 140's.  After playing with my monitor and then taking my pulse manually I determined the reading was indeed accurate. I then just kept speeding up to try and raise my heartrate. It took getting down to 5:20 pace to get my HR out of zone 2.

I know that the inability to get your heartrate up is a symptom of overtraining, but I didn't feel weak or slow. My legs were a bit heavy from the sufferfest that was my ride yesterday, but other than that energy felt ok, lungs weren't burning. I just couldnt get my heartrate up. For comparison sake I did the exact same route at 7:45 pace on friday for 10 miles with a 156 avg HR.

So am I overtrained or is something else going on?



2013-04-17 7:38 PM
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Sorry, I just have to know, how far did you end up going today?  And what was your overall pace?
2013-04-17 7:41 PM
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So its an out and back, and by the time I had decided to stop my run, I had gone 4 miles and averaged like 7:10's. Then I turned around and ran 8's back.
2013-04-17 7:44 PM
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And what was your HR holding your 7:10s and then 8s?

Do you ever check a resting HR before getting out of bed?

2013-04-17 7:46 PM
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switch - 2013-04-17 7:44 PM

And what was your HR holding your 7:10s and then 8s?

Do you ever check a resting HR before getting out of bed?

stayed low 150's the whole time on the way back. On the way out it was the same except when I upped the pace and it got up to 165. i do and its usually 47 bpm. I was thinking about taking it after i get a chance to relax and sit for a while.

2013-04-17 7:52 PM
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Hmm.  How did it feel?  If you had no watch and were just going on feel, did you feel good?

How are you sleeping?

I like to establish a resting HR over the course of a week of regular/easy training.  Avg the week and then check during builds or intensity or "bad" feeling weeks to check for overtraining.



2013-04-17 7:53 PM
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it felt pretty good. I have been very tired lately. But as soon as I start a workout I seem to perk right up. I've been sleeping well 8-9 hours a night.
2013-04-17 7:58 PM
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No offense but if your logs are accurate there's no way it's over training.  Probably just a one off as I get them from time to time as well.  Hit it tomorrow and see what happens.
2013-04-17 8:07 PM
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I'm no MD but it doesn't sound like overtraining. If it is a one time thing I wouldn't worry. If it reoccurs a number of times you might want to consider seeing a doctor.
2013-04-17 9:15 PM
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When you ran on Friday, was your HR at 156 the entire 10 miles or did you experience some cardiac drift where you started at 140 and finished at 165...ending up with a 156 avg.

Was your plan to actually get your HR up to 152-162 quickly and hold it there the entire 10 miles...all at the same pace?

2013-04-17 9:26 PM
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heres the file.

https://connect.garmin.com/activity/297461353



i guess the first mile was also really low HR, but then it quickly picked up to the 150's and held until near the end. That run was also the fastest I had ever run for that long by a longshot so it in itself was a bit of a surprise. Usually my plan for most of my runs is to get into zone 2 as soon as possible and stay in there the whole time. If I feel like I need it sometimes I'll just run as slow as my body seems to want until I warm up, but usually I'm ready to go within a couple minutes. If its a tempo run or threshold run or speed work its a bit different.

 

The file from today is all messed up because i forgot to restart my watch, but the first mile was 7:21 at 134 avg HR. Even lower than I had realized.



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2013-04-17 9:53 PM
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I'd say if it takes a 5:20/mile pace to get out of zone 2, you're doing everything right. Heck, the top guys in running races can barely do that!
2013-04-17 10:00 PM
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I'd just run normally by RPE or pace a few more times and see if this is a new pattern for you, which I think is pretty normal as far as cardiac drift.  Or at least for me anyway. 

I don't know very many people who can get their HR up in a few minutes, then hold it there for over an hour without starting out hard and fading at the end.



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2013-04-18 7:32 AM
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tri808 - 2013-04-17 10:00 PM

I'd just run normally by RPE or pace a few more times and see if this is a new pattern for you, which I think is pretty normal as far as cardiac drift.  Or at least for me anyway. 

I don't know very many people who can get their HR up in a few minutes, then hold it there for over an hour without starting out hard and fading at the end.

That workout (from friday) seemed normal, I was just concerned that yesterday I was unable to get my HR up where I wanted it.

2013-04-18 8:00 AM
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I'm having trouble seeing an issue if you're actually running faster than normal. Am I understanding things correctly? It's much more likely one would be a bit under-rested than overtrained, but it sounds like your performance is fine? The low HR symptom would also be accompanied by low performance, such as pace for running, but you don't seem to have that.
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