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2013-07-09 3:39 PM
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Subject: RE: Pain and gain

Originally posted by rjrankin83
Originally posted by ironbaby So essentially, are you guys saying that pain should never be there? Every long run during training should be effortless even when if it's a distance PR?? If so, I have been doing it all wrong. Higdon's definition of novice might be different than my novice. One of my co-workers did the Charlotte marathon following HH's novice plan but he did track in college (now this guy was in 40s) but even from day 1 he was keeping a pace of under 10min/mile. Not having any athletic background is probably being the issue for me here.
There's a difference in pain and discomfort. You're not getting any kind of gain running through pain. On longer slow runs I can honestly say I'm neither in pain or uncomfortable, but it took 3 years, 2 marathons, a few HM, a HIM, and training for an IM to get to feeling comfortable running distances. On tempo/interval runs I get a little uncomfortable, but that's the point of the run, but never in pain.

 

^^^.  When I trained for my marathon, there were many many a time/run/day that I was uncomfortable.  I was pushing my body beyond what it had ever done before.  Pain--I would stop.  Now, it took some time for me to be honest with myself about the difference between pain and discomfort.

I will put another shout out for the Barry P. plan though.  Previously, I ran 3-4 times a week and something was always sore/aching/niggling.  Since running 6x/week, mostly slow, sometimes hard, I don't have those bothersome little pains.  Go figure.



2013-07-10 12:23 AM
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Thanks guys. This kindda helps. I suppose focussing on pain/discomfort threshold is probably not the best idea in long term view.

I just feel like a wuss when I see other people do well with their training using canned novice plans whereas I get my kicked.
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Keep going. Stay within yourself and things will get better. For running in particular, it's really something how often you *don't* push yourself. The pain tolerance can be helpful on race day for getting the most out of what you have at that time, but so much of training is well off that. I don't think the article really made that distinction, the scope of it seemed more limited. Keep working on figuring how to get in a bunch of miles without having to beat yourself up and you'll get better.

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Subject: RE: Pain and gain
Originally posted by ironbaby

So essentially, are you guys saying that pain should never be there? Every long run during training should be effortless even when if it's a distance PR?? If so, I have been doing it all wrong. Higdon's definition of novice might be different than my novice.

One of my co-workers did the Charlotte marathon following HH's novice plan but he did track in college (now this guy was in 40s) but even from day 1 he was keeping a pace of under 10min/mile. Not having any athletic background is probably being the issue for me here.


No, you're not quite correct.

If you feel fresh and energetic on all your workouts, you're not training enough if you really want to improve.

Training with pain due to an injury is a whole different matter. You need to learn to distinguish pain from an injury (like a tendon strain) from typical muscle soreness and fatigue from a hard workout.

When I am racing at my personal-best levels, I'm pretty much running and cycling continuously on tired legs that feel like mud more often than not. Even after lighter rest days, I hammer it back to a semibeatdown state. I only feel 'fresh / effortless' on taper week. Despite that 'feels like mud' fatigue though, my workout times get faster and faster thru the season, so I konw I'm not overtraining.

HTFU and build slow. It's SUPPOSED to be hard.

Also, don't compare to others right away, at least. Plenty of folks out there who have never run a step, actually have great potential, and get ridiculously fast really quickly. Most like me though, require gobs of work to get decent.

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