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2013-10-17 7:39 AM

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Can anyone do a quick help for me on this?

I'm learning the uses of CTL, ATL, TSB in the Performance Manager. I've enough data at least over run and swim to have a decent couple of years of data, and only recent (this week) addition of HR data especially to start getting data for the bike. I believe my zones are appropriately set.

Attached is my performance monitoring chart for the last 90 days. What is readily evident is that I've been training and racing in the last 40 days or so with a negative Training Stress Balance. I can say that prior to paying attention to this chart, physically I"m keenly aware that I'm training less than fully fresh. This was part of my plan - train to the limit then taper.

I'm racing HIM Miami in roughly 10 days. My taper has begun, and will accelerate in the next 7 days (meaning I'm reducing volume, increasing intensity in my plan).

Maybe too late for this race, but should I be aiming to hit a positive TSB for race time?

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2013-10-17 7:44 AM
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Reduce Volume and MAINTAIN intensity I believe is what you meant to say.

The point is to reduce that fatigue and maintain the fitness.
2013-10-17 8:33 AM
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As Dan implied, during build cycles before a taper, you're accumulating both fitness and fatigue.

The PMC in TP is an attempt to quantify your fitness and fatigue levels allowing it to be better managed.  Think of TSB as an indication of your fatigue level (freshness).  A positive number means you're fresh, and a negative number means you're fatigued.  The goal of tapering is to get rid of the fatigue while maintaining your fitness.  Basically, tapering exploits the fact that fatigue dissipates more quickly than we lose fitness.

Assuming your zones are set accurately, most people perform best with a positive TSB, because theoretically, they're more fresh and less fatigued.  Just how large of a positive number can vary from person to person.  Also, watching the balance in each sport can be useful too.  If you have a positive 10 TSB in swimming and biking, but a negative 5 in running, you may have a +15 TSB overall, but not race as well as if you had a +5 in all three disciplines for the same total +15 TSB.

Other variables that can affect all of this are nutrition, amount of sleep, other stressors such as work and family, and an individual's natural ability to recover.

So, it's easy to see why it can take some experimentation to determine what the ideal numbers are for an individual.

Of course, all of this is dependent on the accuracy of the data you feed into the system.

 

ETA:  I also agree with Dan's comment that you should reduce volume and maintain intensity, not increase it.

 



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2013-10-17 10:03 AM
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Originally posted by Marvarnett

Reduce Volume and MAINTAIN intensity I believe is what you meant to say.

The point is to reduce that fatigue and maintain the fitness.


Yes thanks.
2013-10-17 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by TriMyBest

As Dan implied, during build cycles before a taper, you're accumulating both fitness and fatigue.

The PMC in TP is an attempt to quantify your fitness and fatigue levels allowing it to be better managed.  Think of TSB as an indication of your fatigue level (freshness).  A positive number means you're fresh, and a negative number means you're fatigued.  The goal of tapering is to get rid of the fatigue while maintaining your fitness.  Basically, tapering exploits the fact that fatigue dissipates more quickly than we lose fitness.

Assuming your zones are set accurately, most people perform best with a positive TSB, because theoretically, they're more fresh and less fatigued.  Just how large of a positive number can vary from person to person.  Also, watching the balance in each sport can be useful too.  If you have a positive 10 TSB in swimming and biking, but a negative 5 in running, you may have a +15 TSB overall, but not race as well as if you had a +5 in all three disciplines for the same total +15 TSB.

Other variables that can affect all of this are nutrition, amount of sleep, other stressors such as work and family, and an individual's natural ability to recover.

So, it's easy to see why it can take some experimentation to determine what the ideal numbers are for an individual.

Of course, all of this is dependent on the accuracy of the data you feed into the system.

 

ETA:  I also agree with Dan's comment that you should reduce volume and maintain intensity, not increase it.

 




Thx. Very helpful.
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