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Time to let go of 40 year old advice that was based on a hunch and embrace something more scientific.


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2013-10-22 8:12 AM
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2013-11-22 9:42 AM
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So it is! Ttry this one.
http://www.businessinsider.com/13-nutrition-lies-that-made-the-worl...


Yeah, I came across that article a couple of weeks ago and its almost pure BS.

There actually is scientific research that has been duplicated by more than one research team and the results have been peer reviewed showing that too much protein - especially animal based protein - is bad for you. In some of these studies they were even able to link specific protein types specific cancer types.

Similar research has been done with saturated fat. Same results - it kills.

There are heart specialists that reverse heart disease through a low fat, plant based diet and they have repeated that many times while no drugs or surgeries can do that. So is the healthiest diet low fat high carb? Probably.

2013-11-24 12:47 PM
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Yeah, I came across that article a couple of weeks ago and its almost pure BS.

There actually is scientific research that has been duplicated by more than one research team and the results have been peer reviewed showing that too much protein - especially animal based protein - is bad for you. In some of these studies they were even able to link specific protein types specific cancer types.

Similar research has been done with saturated fat. Same results - it kills.

There are heart specialists that reverse heart disease through a low fat, plant based diet and they have repeated that many times while no drugs or surgeries can do that. So is the healthiest diet low fat high carb? Probably.




OK, so how about links to the specified scientific research!
2013-12-02 8:09 PM
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OK, so how about links to the specified scientific research!


Link to an article that references a number of studies:
http://www.drmcdougall.com/health/education/health-science/featured...

A couple of excerpts from the article:
"Furthermore, high-fat meals, in contrast to low-fat meals, can cause considerable increases in plasma triglycerides and plasma levels of blood coagulation factors which lead to a blood clot or thrombosis in the heart artery. One of the most important clotting factors predicting the risk of a heart attack is factor VII. The five fats tested–rapeseed oil (canola), olive oil, sunflower oil, palm oil, and butter–showed similar increases in triglycerides and clotting factor VII after eating. According to the authors, “These findings indicate that high-fat meals may be prothrombotic (causing a blood clot leading to a heart attack), irrespective of their fatty acid composition.” (Aterioscler Thromb Vasc Biol 17:2904, 1997)."

"Higher Cholesterol and More Diabetes from Fish Oils:
Much attention has recently been paid to the possible benefits of increasing the intake of eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) by consuming fish oil. However, this can have adverse effects such as raising LDL “bad” cholesterol levels in patients with already high cholesterol and causing a deterioration in glucose tolerance, in other words, making diabetes worse. (Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids 44:127, 1991). In one recent study of feeding w-6 alpha linolenic acid to obese subjects insulin sensitivity and HDL “good” cholesterol diminished, and the amount of oxidized LDL “bad” cholesterol increased (Aterioscler Thromb Vasc Biol 17:1163, 1997). In most other studies, however, oils high in alpha linolenic acid have little effect on cholesterol and triglycerides (Am J Clin Nutr 65:1645, 1997)."

And then there is this one:
"In a report in the October 9, 2001 issue of the journal Circulation, the Nutrition Committee of the American Heart Association wrote “High-protein diets may also be associated with increased risk for coronary heart disease due to intakes of saturated fat, cholesterol, and other associated dietary factors” (Circulation 104:1869, 2001). “High-protein diets are not recommended because they restrict healthful foods that provide essential nutrients and do not provide the variety of foods needed to adequately meet nutritional needs. Individuals who follow these diets are therefore at risk for compromised vitamin and mineral intake, as well as potential cardiac, renal, bone, and liver abnormalities overall.”"

I could easily provide more. The research has been going on for many years and there are a good number of resources to access it if you wish. But I would caution you on doing that.

-Mark




2013-12-04 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by outlandluc



OK, so how about links to the specified scientific research!


Link to an article that references a number of studies:
http://www.drmcdougall.com/health/education/health-science/featured...

A couple of excerpts from the article:
"Furthermore, high-fat meals, in contrast to low-fat meals, can cause considerable increases in plasma triglycerides and plasma levels of blood coagulation factors which lead to a blood clot or thrombosis in the heart artery. One of the most important clotting factors predicting the risk of a heart attack is factor VII. The five fats tested–rapeseed oil (canola), olive oil, sunflower oil, palm oil, and butter–showed similar increases in triglycerides and clotting factor VII after eating. According to the authors, “These findings indicate that high-fat meals may be prothrombotic (causing a blood clot leading to a heart attack), irrespective of their fatty acid composition.” (Aterioscler Thromb Vasc Biol 17:2904, 1997)."

"Higher Cholesterol and More Diabetes from Fish Oils:
Much attention has recently been paid to the possible benefits of increasing the intake of eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) by consuming fish oil. However, this can have adverse effects such as raising LDL “bad” cholesterol levels in patients with already high cholesterol and causing a deterioration in glucose tolerance, in other words, making diabetes worse. (Prostaglandins Leukot Essent Fatty Acids 44:127, 1991). In one recent study of feeding w-6 alpha linolenic acid to obese subjects insulin sensitivity and HDL “good” cholesterol diminished, and the amount of oxidized LDL “bad” cholesterol increased (Aterioscler Thromb Vasc Biol 17:1163, 1997). In most other studies, however, oils high in alpha linolenic acid have little effect on cholesterol and triglycerides (Am J Clin Nutr 65:1645, 1997)."

And then there is this one:
"In a report in the October 9, 2001 issue of the journal Circulation, the Nutrition Committee of the American Heart Association wrote “High-protein diets may also be associated with increased risk for coronary heart disease due to intakes of saturated fat, cholesterol, and other associated dietary factors” (Circulation 104:1869, 2001). “High-protein diets are not recommended because they restrict healthful foods that provide essential nutrients and do not provide the variety of foods needed to adequately meet nutritional needs. Individuals who follow these diets are therefore at risk for compromised vitamin and mineral intake, as well as potential cardiac, renal, bone, and liver abnormalities overall.”"

I could easily provide more. The research has been going on for many years and there are a good number of resources to access it if you wish. But I would caution you on doing that.

-Mark






I followed your link, and it brings me to a Website, started by someone with an agenda.

You will notice in the link posted by Zero2athlete, "13 nutrition lies" that every points the writer makes, is followed by links (numbers) to Medical Papers, with the full research results. Not only can we read the results for ourselves (Instead of a small part the news industry would find most useful to shock the public with), but we can find out who did the research and what agenda they had.

By number 13 , there is 116 medical papers used to prove the point.

I might be a skeptic, but I no longer blindly accept everything the nutrition community tries to promote. A research done by the makers of chocolate chip cookies does not have our health in mind. Which is the reason I prefer to read the research myself, and not rely on someone with a Website and an Agenda.

Dr. McDougalls Website lists some research also, but not in form of a link. He does like most of the news industry, use a tiny part of the paper is referring to, to prove his point.

Cancer is the area that most worries me nutrition wise, due to family history. So i checked the following research he refers to. With no link, I had to use Google with the following "Cancer Res 52:2040, 1992"

It refers to a research where rats developed tumors from a high fat diets. The fat used was from Corn Oil.

Now if you refer to number 9 of 13 Nutrition lies, we are told, with research paper 73 to 81, that refined seed and vegetable oils are not healthy.

Once again proving why I prefer to read the research myself and not rely on "Joe"s" opinion.

My goal is to keep my family living in as healthy an environment as possible, not to prove that low fat or low carb is best. But so far, all the properly done research I was able to find, points in the direction of Low carbs as healthy.

Again I ask, can you find me links to Medical research that proves your point. I want the medical paper itself, not someone's opinion. I would be more than happy to return to bread if someone proves it's healthy.
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Again I ask, can you find me links to Medical research that proves your point. I want the medical paper itself, not someone's opinion. I would be more than happy to return to bread if someone proves it's healthy.


Can you do the same?


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2013-12-05 6:39 AM
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Originally posted by outlandluc
Again I ask, can you find me links to Medical research that proves your point. I want the medical paper itself, not someone's opinion. I would be more than happy to return to bread if someone proves it's healthy.


Can you do the same?



Yes,

the link above to "13 Nutrition Lies" brings you to a paper by Kris Gunnars. As mentioned, he has 116 links to actual Medical papers that help prove his point.

Here is a link for a lecture by Craig Thompson, Director of one of the most prestigious Cancer research Centre in the world about what causes Cancer, and it is not fat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUlE1VHGA40

I am not trying to be a jerk, my quest is better health for myself and my family.

When I made changes to the nutrition of my family, I did it after considerable research and was unable to find evidence of the points you made in your first post. The points that have been nutrition dogma for the last 40 years.

I would actually be very happy to have someone point me in the direction for proper medical papers proving your point.

My goal is better health, not winning an argument.
2013-12-05 7:18 AM
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I could easily provide more. The research has been OUTDATED for many years ...

-Mark





Fixed it for you. Sorry, but it's ridiculous and non-scientific to say that high-protein diets are devoid of adequate nutrients... The person who made that statement doesn't understand what we higher-protein dieters can eat a poop-load of vegetables too. (The useful, colorful kind). Don't call the diet devoid of nutrients because some people skip some elements. BTW, I don't really consider my diet to be "high protein" I just consider it to be "Not protein deficient and reduced excess carbohydrate."

As far as animal protein/saturated fats and cholesterol - I used to have borderline high total and ldl cholesterol. A few years ago, I cut back (not eliminated, I still like them a lot even though I know I'm better off without them) on carbs from flour/sugar - even fruit. I eat a LOT of meat in all forms - (Every. Single. Meal.) and not only is my body fat percentage the lowest it's ever been, my total cholesterol is down to 180. My HDL (the good cholesterol) went from 64 to 96, my LDL from 130 to 85 and my triglycerides are 32. Check those numbers against any scale you want.
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I could easily provide more. The research has been OUTDATED for many years ...

-Mark





Fixed it for you. Sorry, but it's ridiculous and non-scientific to say that high-protein diets are devoid of adequate nutrients... The person who made that statement doesn't understand what we higher-protein dieters can eat a poop-load of vegetables too. (The useful, colorful kind). Don't call the diet devoid of nutrients because some people skip some elements. BTW, I don't really consider my diet to be "high protein" I just consider it to be "Not protein deficient and reduced excess carbohydrate."

As far as animal protein/saturated fats and cholesterol - I used to have borderline high total and ldl cholesterol. A few years ago, I cut back (not eliminated, I still like them a lot even though I know I'm better off without them) on carbs from flour/sugar - even fruit. I eat a LOT of meat in all forms - (Every. Single. Meal.) and not only is my body fat percentage the lowest it's ever been, my total cholesterol is down to 180. My HDL (the good cholesterol) went from 64 to 96, my LDL from 130 to 85 and my triglycerides are 32. Check those numbers against any scale you want.


Yeah it makes me laugh when people think we include vegetables in low carbs. I have a huge garden in which i grow practically anything that will grow around here. The highest quantity of food in my plate is always veggies.

It has not been an easy battle, but I seem to be winning my Doctor over. He still can't get over the fact that the most Saturated fat I eat, the lower my LDL and overall cholesterol goes.

I can't really say that I've increased my protein though. It's the fat that went up.


2013-12-06 7:00 AM
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Yeah it makes me laugh when people think we include vegetables in low carbs. I have a huge garden in which i grow practically anything that will grow around here. The highest quantity of food in my plate is always veggies.

It has not been an easy battle, but I seem to be winning my Doctor over. He still can't get over the fact that the most Saturated fat I eat, the lower my LDL and overall cholesterol goes.

I can't really say that I've increased my protein though. It's the fat that went up.


Right? My Doc is overweight...has tried weight watchers and the usual crappy advice he has given his patients (including me) for years to no avail. He is in a bit of denial that everything he was taught doesn't add up, but is impressed with my numbers. For me, I'd say fat and protein calories have increased fairly equally. Bacon? Red meat? YUM!
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If you want to take it a step further, watch the documentary American Meat. It will make you consider the sources for your meat. I have a farm where we raise chickens for our eggs, grow veggies all summer, and raise almost all of our meat requirements.
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