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 2014-01-16 7:17 PM |
Member 763   |  Subject: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport!http://triathlon.competitor.com/2014/01/news/ncaa-welcomes-womens-t... This is good news. But c'mon, let's get it approved for the men too. |
| 2014-01-16 8:18 PM in reply to: LarchmontTri |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Originally posted by LarchmontTri http://triathlon.competitor.com/2014/01/news/ncaa-welcomes-womens-t... This is good news. But c'mon, let's get it approved for the men too. Don't hold your breath......I doubt we'll ever see it. You wouldn't see it for women if not for Title IX. |
| 2014-01-17 8:03 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
Master 2500  Crab Cake City | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Glad to see it |
| 2014-01-17 8:22 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
| Member 763 | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by LarchmontTri http://triathlon.competitor.com/2014/01/news/ncaa-welcomes-womens-t... This is good news. But c'mon, let's get it approved for the men too. Don't hold your breath......I doubt we'll ever see it. You wouldn't see it for women if not for Title IX. Agree (for the most part) about the impact of Title IX, but it doesn't make the recognition of tri as an NCAA sport any less meaningful. |
| 2014-01-17 9:10 AM in reply to: LarchmontTri |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Originally posted by LarchmontTri Originally posted by Left Brain Agree (for the most part) about the impact of Title IX, but it doesn't make the recognition of tri as an NCAA sport any less meaningful. Originally posted by LarchmontTri http://triathlon.competitor.com/2014/01/news/ncaa-welcomes-womens-t... This is good news. But c'mon, let's get it approved for the men too. Don't hold your breath......I doubt we'll ever see it. You wouldn't see it for women if not for Title IX. Absolutely! We are cheering the decision at our house. |
| 2014-01-17 10:54 AM in reply to: LarchmontTri |
Expert 1051 Bradenton, Florida | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Hopefully we will see the trickle down effect of this and start to see club teams at the high school level. And, yes I realize I said "trickle down" in a tri forum so it's just a matter of time before someone references peeing on your bike. |
| 2014-01-17 11:02 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
Veteran 2842 Austin, Texas | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by LarchmontTri http://triathlon.competitor.com/2014/01/news/ncaa-welcomes-womens-t... This is good news. But c'mon, let's get it approved for the men too. Don't hold your breath......I doubt we'll ever see it. You wouldn't see it for women if not for Title IX. Definitely glad to see it. LB, you think this is just because all the money goes to the big 3 (or 4, in these parts - hockey still counts here) men's sports? Or just the reeeeaaalllly big two? Do you see another reason? Matt |
| 2014-01-17 11:40 AM in reply to: LarchmontTri |
New user 273 Manassas, Virginia | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! http://www.usatriathlon.org/news/articles/2013/4/041013-marymount-t... It may be new for DI but it's been an NCAA sport for a while. My school (Marymount University, DIII) had the first varsity team starting with the current school year, 2013/14. |
| 2014-01-17 11:50 AM in reply to: mcmanusclan5 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by LarchmontTri http://triathlon.competitor.com/2014/01/news/ncaa-welcomes-womens-t... This is good news. But c'mon, let's get it approved for the men too. Don't hold your breath......I doubt we'll ever see it. You wouldn't see it for women if not for Title IX. Definitely glad to see it. LB, you think this is just because all the money goes to the big 3 (or 4, in these parts - hockey still counts here) men's sports? Or just the reeeeaaalllly big two? Do you see another reason? Matt Well, Title IX was specifically brought about to even up the amount of athletic scholarships than men and women receive. That being said, unless scholarships for the big men's sports (giant revenue producers) are reduced then I don't see how it CAN happen. Part of the problem with Title IX (and before anyone flames, I agree with the principle) is that if you add more mens NCAA Championship sports and scholarships then you have to add even more women's scholarships....Universities are not willing. Title IX compliance is not always as easy as it seems it would be......that's why sports for women are added but the men are left out. Dunn Right - yes, your school has varsity triathlon, but it is NOT a NCAA Championship sport and therefore not eligible for scholarships....that's the distinction that was just removed for women's triathlon. Of cvourse, in your school's case it wouldn't matter anyway as you are a Div III school and do not grant athletic scholarships. |
| 2014-01-17 12:41 PM in reply to: LarchmontTri |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Going to need to up the 4yo's weekly yardage. |
| 2014-01-17 1:24 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
New user 273 Manassas, Virginia | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 >Dunn Right - yes, your school has varsity triathlon, but it is NOT a NCAA Championship sport and therefore not eligible for scholarships....that's the distinction that was just removed for women's triathlon. Of cvourse, in your school's case it wouldn't matter anyway as you are a Div III school and do not grant athletic scholarships. Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by LarchmontTri http://triathlon.competitor.com/2014/01/news/ncaa-welcomes-womens-t... This is good news. But c'mon, let's get it approved for the men too. Don't hold your breath......I doubt we'll ever see it. You wouldn't see it for women if not for Title IX. Definitely glad to see it. LB, you think this is just because all the money goes to the big 3 (or 4, in these parts - hockey still counts here) men's sports? Or just the reeeeaaalllly big two? Do you see another reason? Matt My mistake! |
| 2014-01-17 1:44 PM in reply to: Dunn Right |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Originally posted by Dunn Right Originally posted by Left Brain My mistake! Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by LarchmontTri http://triathlon.competitor.com/2014/01/news/ncaa-welcomes-womens-t... This is good news. But c'mon, let's get it approved for the men too. Don't hold your breath......I doubt we'll ever see it. You wouldn't see it for women if not for Title IX. Definitely glad to see it. LB, you think this is just because all the money goes to the big 3 (or 4, in these parts - hockey still counts here) men's sports? Or just the reeeeaaalllly big two? Do you see another reason? Matt >Dunn Right - yes, your school has varsity triathlon, but it is NOT a NCAA Championship sport and therefore not eligible for scholarships....that's the distinction that was just removed for women's triathlon. Of cvourse, in your school's case it wouldn't matter anyway as you are a Div III school and do not grant athletic scholarships. No big deal....you guys have a nice program. |
| 2014-01-17 11:26 PM in reply to: LarchmontTri |
Master 8247 Eugene, Oregon Bronze member | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Sigh....only 25 years too late. Maybe I should go back to school. |
| 2014-01-21 9:00 PM in reply to: LarchmontTri |
Expert 2355 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Now they have 10 years to establish with schools. I don't know the exact number but they need a certain amount of schools to have varsity teams in D1, D2, and D3 before they can officially call it an NCAA sport. So this is a step in the right direction, but triathlon still has a LONG way to go before it is officially an NCAA sport. |
| 2014-01-21 9:40 PM in reply to: bcagle25 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Originally posted by bcagle25 Now they have 10 years to establish with schools. I don't know the exact number but they need a certain amount of schools to have varsity teams in D1, D2, and D3 before they can officially call it an NCAA sport. So this is a step in the right direction, but triathlon still has a LONG way to go before it is officially an NCAA sport. 40 schools in 10 years. There is no NCAA Championship sport in Div III. |
| 2014-01-22 6:55 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Here's an excellent article that gives a lot more details about the process: http://triathlon.competitor.com/2014/01/features/ncaa-triathlon-what-it-all-means_92788
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| 2014-01-22 7:24 AM in reply to: mcmanusclan5 |
Extreme Veteran 1986 Cypress, TX | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 LB, you think this is just because all the money goes to the big 3 (or 4, in these parts - hockey still counts here) men's sports? Or just the reeeeaaalllly big two? Do you see another reason? Matt There is no three or four. There are only two revenue producing sports in college athletics: men's football and men's basketball. That's it. Every other men's sport and every women's sport loses money. Men's football and basketball subsidizes all the other college sports. I'm assuming baseball was the third of your big three. Baseball loses money too. There might be certain outliers. Like maybe Syracuse's lacrosse team makes some money or Johns Hopkins' lacrosse team makes some money or Iowa's wrestling team or Boston College's hockey team makes some money. Places where you have a fanatical following in a niche sport. Even then I doubt they make money as travel costs to away games are what really costs a ton of dough. |
| 2014-01-22 8:48 AM in reply to: GMAN 19030 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Originally posted by GMAN 19030 Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 LB, you think this is just because all the money goes to the big 3 (or 4, in these parts - hockey still counts here) men's sports? Or just the reeeeaaalllly big two? Do you see another reason? Matt There is no three or four. There are only two revenue producing sports in college athletics: men's football and men's basketball. That's it. Every other men's sport and every women's sport loses money. Men's football and basketball subsidizes all the other college sports. I'm assuming baseball was the third of your big three. Baseball loses money too. There might be certain outliers. Like maybe Syracuse's lacrosse team makes some money or Johns Hopkins' lacrosse team makes some money or Iowa's wrestling team or Boston College's hockey team makes some money. Places where you have a fanatical following in a niche sport. Even then I doubt they make money as travel costs to away games are what really costs a ton of dough. Men's football and basketball are basically minor leagues for Professional sports. If I were king for a day then the NFL and NBA would either fully subsidize other collegiate sports, or they would fully fund the educations of football and basketball scholarship players, therefore opening those scholarships up for other athletes in other sports. This is not a complicated problem, but nobody is holding the NFL or NBA's toes to the fire....tho9se are billion dollar entities, they can subsidize the avenues that provide their athletes. |
| 2014-01-22 10:43 AM in reply to: GMAN 19030 |
| 41 | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Originally posted by GMAN 19030 Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 LB, you think this is just because all the money goes to the big 3 (or 4, in these parts - hockey still counts here) men's sports? Or just the reeeeaaalllly big two? Do you see another reason? Matt There is no three or four. There are only two revenue producing sports in college athletics: men's football and men's basketball. That's it. Every other men's sport and every women's sport loses money. Men's football and basketball subsidizes all the other college sports. I'm assuming baseball was the third of your big three. Baseball loses money too. There might be certain outliers. Like maybe Syracuse's lacrosse team makes some money or Johns Hopkins' lacrosse team makes some money or Iowa's wrestling team or Boston College's hockey team makes some money. Places where you have a fanatical following in a niche sport. Even then I doubt they make money as travel costs to away games are what really costs a ton of dough. It's even worse than that. Even basketball and football aren't profitable at most schools. Definitely not the cash cow people think. Even the elite basketball programs like Duke and North Carolina don't generate enough to fund the school's overall athletic department. At a VERY few elite football schools like Alabama, Georgia, Michigan, Oklahoma etc they basically have a license to print money. But that's maybe 10 or 15 schools at the most. Something like 23 of the 228 Public Universities athletic departments in Division 1 operated at a profit in 2012, all of them in the big football conferences. |
| 2014-01-22 10:49 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by bcagle25 Now they have 10 years to establish with schools. I don't know the exact number but they need a certain amount of schools to have varsity teams in D1, D2, and D3 before they can officially call it an NCAA sport. So this is a step in the right direction, but triathlon still has a LONG way to go before it is officially an NCAA sport. 40 schools in 10 years. There is no NCAA Championship sport in Div III. You mean for triathlons or for any sport? Cause I'm pretty certain there is for Football. |
| 2014-01-22 10:51 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
| 41 | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by GMAN 19030 Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 LB, you think this is just because all the money goes to the big 3 (or 4, in these parts - hockey still counts here) men's sports? Or just the reeeeaaalllly big two? Do you see another reason? Matt There is no three or four. There are only two revenue producing sports in college athletics: men's football and men's basketball. That's it. Every other men's sport and every women's sport loses money. Men's football and basketball subsidizes all the other college sports. I'm assuming baseball was the third of your big three. Baseball loses money too. There might be certain outliers. Like maybe Syracuse's lacrosse team makes some money or Johns Hopkins' lacrosse team makes some money or Iowa's wrestling team or Boston College's hockey team makes some money. Places where you have a fanatical following in a niche sport. Even then I doubt they make money as travel costs to away games are what really costs a ton of dough. Men's football and basketball are basically minor leagues for Professional sports. If I were king for a day then the NFL and NBA would either fully subsidize other collegiate sports, or they would fully fund the educations of football and basketball scholarship players, therefore opening those scholarships up for other athletes in other sports. This is not a complicated problem, but nobody is holding the NFL or NBA's toes to the fire....tho9se are billion dollar entities, they can subsidize the avenues that provide their athletes. In Europe, intercollegiate athletics doesn't really exist like it does here. The feeder system to the pros is the elite junior club system, which is funded by the pro clubs themselves. Not sure if that system would ever fly here, since the clubs identify elite kids as young as 11 or 12 and get them started training basically full time to groom them as pro athletes. But I think eventually you'll see public money dry up for college athletics and the pro leagues will have no choice but to set up their own feeder system. |
| 2014-01-22 10:57 AM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Originally posted by crowny2 Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by bcagle25 Now they have 10 years to establish with schools. I don't know the exact number but they need a certain amount of schools to have varsity teams in D1, D2, and D3 before they can officially call it an NCAA sport. So this is a step in the right direction, but triathlon still has a LONG way to go before it is officially an NCAA sport. 40 schools in 10 years. There is no NCAA Championship sport in Div III. You mean for triathlons or for any sport? Cause I'm pretty certain there is for Football. What I mean by "NCAA Championship Sport" is that there are no athletic scholarships for Div. III sports....only Div I and Div. II have that designation for their athletics. It's an NCAA designation, not mine. It's mostly semantics and the fact that there are no Div.l III athletic scholarships. An dyes, the NCAA awards "Championships" to Div. III schools in a number of sports. Edited by Left Brain 2014-01-22 11:11 AM |
| 2014-01-22 11:02 AM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Originally posted by RollTideTri Originally posted by Left Brain In Europe, intercollegiate athletics doesn't really exist like it does here. The feeder system to the pros is the elite junior club system, which is funded by the pro clubs themselves. Not sure if that system would ever fly here, since the clubs identify elite kids as young as 11 or 12 and get them started training basically full time to groom them as pro athletes. But I think eventually you'll see public money dry up for college athletics and the pro leagues will have no choice but to set up their own feeder system. Originally posted by GMAN 19030 Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 LB, you think this is just because all the money goes to the big 3 (or 4, in these parts - hockey still counts here) men's sports? Or just the reeeeaaalllly big two? Do you see another reason? Matt There is no three or four. There are only two revenue producing sports in college athletics: men's football and men's basketball. That's it. Every other men's sport and every women's sport loses money. Men's football and basketball subsidizes all the other college sports. I'm assuming baseball was the third of your big three. Baseball loses money too. There might be certain outliers. Like maybe Syracuse's lacrosse team makes some money or Johns Hopkins' lacrosse team makes some money or Iowa's wrestling team or Boston College's hockey team makes some money. Places where you have a fanatical following in a niche sport. Even then I doubt they make money as travel costs to away games are what really costs a ton of dough. Men's football and basketball are basically minor leagues for Professional sports. If I were king for a day then the NFL and NBA would either fully subsidize other collegiate sports, or they would fully fund the educations of football and basketball scholarship players, therefore opening those scholarships up for other athletes in other sports. This is not a complicated problem, but nobody is holding the NFL or NBA's toes to the fire....tho9se are billion dollar entities, they can subsidize the avenues that provide their athletes. I would be OK with that, and actually, that is how triathlon is starting to go with draft legal ITU racing. There are a number of HPT (high performance teams) youth/elite clubs now that are basically feeder systems for elite triathlon....at least at the draft legal level. The kids are identified through Talent ID designated races and the clubs also try to identify kids through swimming and running programs. But it's 100% funded by parents and donations until a kid reaches a very elite level. That is all about to change for girls since colleges will already have girls identified through this program that can step into collegiate draft legal racing as an NCAA sport. Edited by Left Brain 2014-01-22 11:02 AM |
| 2014-01-22 11:35 AM in reply to: Left Brain |
Champion 15211 Southern Chicago Suburbs, IL | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by crowny2 Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by bcagle25 Now they have 10 years to establish with schools. I don't know the exact number but they need a certain amount of schools to have varsity teams in D1, D2, and D3 before they can officially call it an NCAA sport. So this is a step in the right direction, but triathlon still has a LONG way to go before it is officially an NCAA sport. 40 schools in 10 years. There is no NCAA Championship sport in Div III. You mean for triathlons or for any sport? Cause I'm pretty certain there is for Football. What I mean by "NCAA Championship Sport" is that there are no athletic scholarships for Div. III sports....only Div I and Div. II have that designation for their athletics. It's an NCAA designation, not mine. It's mostly semantics and the fact that there are no Div.l III athletic scholarships. An dyes, the NCAA awards "Championships" to Div. III schools in a number of sports. AH! Gotcha. Yep, I went to a DIII and competed in high jump so I know what you are talking about now. Thanks. |
| 2014-01-22 1:38 PM in reply to: 0 |
| 631 | Subject: RE: Women's triathlon is now an NCAA sport! Originally posted by RollTideTri Originally posted by GMAN 19030 Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 LB, you think this is just because all the money goes to the big 3 (or 4, in these parts - hockey still counts here) men's sports? Or just the reeeeaaalllly big two? Do you see another reason? Matt There is no three or four. There are only two revenue producing sports in college athletics: men's football and men's basketball. That's it. Every other men's sport and every women's sport loses money. Men's football and basketball subsidizes all the other college sports. I'm assuming baseball was the third of your big three. Baseball loses money too. There might be certain outliers. Like maybe Syracuse's lacrosse team makes some money or Johns Hopkins' lacrosse team makes some money or Iowa's wrestling team or Boston College's hockey team makes some money. Places where you have a fanatical following in a niche sport. Even then I doubt they make money as travel costs to away games are what really costs a ton of dough. It's even worse than that. Even basketball and football aren't profitable at most schools. Definitely not the cash cow people think. Even the elite basketball programs like Duke and North Carolina don't generate enough to fund the school's overall athletic department. At a VERY few elite football schools like Alabama, Georgia, Michigan, Oklahoma etc they basically have a license to print money. But that's maybe 10 or 15 schools at the most. Something like 23 of the 228 Public Universities athletic departments in Division 1 operated at a profit in 2012, all of them in the big football conferences. The money that the athletic programs are not as simple as gate and tv revenue less expenses. You get a certain amount of donations to the general fund when sport team perform well. Sports also drive university branded clothing (and other stuff). I would assume that you see people wearing UNC clothing even if they have no affiliation with the school. They buy and wear these clothes because they have a good basketball team. I assume that the university get a % of the licensing sales. Edited by Sidney Porter 2014-01-22 1:39 PM |
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