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2014-07-12 7:11 PM
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Thunderstorms put me back on the trainer tonight. 50 minutes.

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Barry 08 06:53:22
Dennis 05 7:35:00
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Jackie 06 10:14:18
Lisa 05 04:59:54
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2014-07-13 2:29 AM
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Jim, congratulations on the win and establishing who the boss is in the family!

2hr ride for me to check the new adventure race course I might be interested in sometime in the future. Still sick, the cold is holding up, today I can barely talk.

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Jim 10 12:14:41
Barry 08 06:53:22
Dennis 05 7:35:00
Mark Z 06 09:25:00
Jackie 06 10:14:18
Lisa 05 04:59:54
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2014-07-13 8:57 AM
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Trainer ride last night, swim and long run this morning.

Jim - Congrats on the win!

Gabe 10 15:39:30
Mitch 12 13:58:43
Jim 10 12:14:41
Barry 08 06:53:22
Dennis 05 7:35:00
Mark Z 06 09:25:00
Jackie 06 10:14:18
Lisa 05 04:59:54
Mark H 05 04:06:00
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2014-07-13 12:34 PM
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WARNING: INCOMING RANT!!

So I'm on my Sunday morning long run minding my own business, waving and nodding to my fellow runners and dog walkers as they pass. Well, around mile 5 I was running on the far right hand side of the 6 foot wide side walk when I noticed a group of three adults walking towards me. There was an older women on the left, a man in his early 20's in the middle and a young lady on the right. What caught my attention was the fact that the young girl was walking just in front of the young man but as soon as she made eye contact with me she stepped to her left putting herself in my direct path. Now first let me tell you I am not a bully by any means but I’m also no pushover. I had about 5 seconds to make up my mind as to what I was going to do an I decided to hold my ground. I was not going to hit the grass when all I was asking for was a little 2 foot section of the really wide sidewalk. Besides she was the one that decided to put her 5’ 140lb +/- almost stationary body in the path of my 6’2” 220lb body moving quickly towards her. How did she think this would end?

Anyway her boyfriend saw what was about to happen so he put his arm around her grabbing her shoulder and pulling her out of my path rather abruptly. We managed to pass each other with only our arms rubbing. (she had to have been upset about all the sweat she rubbed off my arm) I’m sure they had some choice words for me but I never turned around and with my headphones in I couldn’t hear anything they said. I just stayed on my path and finished the run without further incident.

Would I have been wrong if the boyfriend wasn’t paying attention and I plowed into the girl? I really had no intention on hitting the grass and if he had not moved her it would have ended badly for her.





Gabe 10 15:39:30
Mitch 12 13:58:43
Jim 10 12:14:41
Barry 08 06:53:22
Dennis 07 10:53:00
Mark Z 06 09:25:00
Jackie 06 10:14:18
Lisa 05 04:59:54
Mark H 05 04:06:00
Brian 02 01:32:00

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2014-07-13 2:10 PM
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Nice Job Jim! maybe next year for them. LOL. Congrats to them also.

13.5 mile ride this afternoon

Gabe 10 15:39:30
Mitch 12 13:58:43
Jim 10 12:14:41
Barry 09 07:55:18
Dennis 07 10:53:00
Mark Z 06 09:25:00
Jackie 06 10:14:18
Lisa 05 04:59:54
Mark H 05 04:06:00
Brian 02 01:32:00
2014-07-14 11:45 AM
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Catching up for the last week or so!

Gabe 10 15:39:30
Mitch 12 13:58:43
Jim 10 12:14:41
Barry 09 07:55:18
Dennis 07 10:53:00
Mark Z 06 09:25:00
Jackie 12 15:43:4
Lisa 05 04:59:54
Mark H 05 04:06:00
Brian 02 01:32:00


2014-07-14 11:49 AM
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Barry, congratulations on your consistency!

Mark, hope you are feeling a little better by now.

Jim, congrats on the AG win and also retaining the king title. It's nice that it was kind of close too. That gives them incentive to keep trying and you to keep ahead ;-)

Dennis, great job on the OWS. FWIW, I always yield on the sidewalk/trail. If they are strung out across in front of me, I say in my nice pleading voice, "could I please just have a little piece of the trail here, and thank you very much" ;-). Most of the time they are clueless. If they don't move, I go off to one side or the other. It's not worth getting hurt over it. YMMV
2014-07-14 12:36 PM
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WARNING: INCOMING RANT!!

So I'm on my Sunday morning long run minding my own business, waving and nodding to my fellow runners and dog walkers as they pass. Well, around mile 5 I was running on the far right hand side of the 6 foot wide side walk when I noticed a group of three adults walking towards me. There was an older women on the left, a man in his early 20's in the middle and a young lady on the right. What caught my attention was the fact that the young girl was walking just in front of the young man but as soon as she made eye contact with me she stepped to her left putting herself in my direct path. Now first let me tell you I am not a bully by any means but I’m also no pushover. I had about 5 seconds to make up my mind as to what I was going to do an I decided to hold my ground. I was not going to hit the grass when all I was asking for was a little 2 foot section of the really wide sidewalk. Besides she was the one that decided to put her 5’ 140lb +/- almost stationary body in the path of my 6’2” 220lb body moving quickly towards her. How did she think this would end?

Anyway her boyfriend saw what was about to happen so he put his arm around her grabbing her shoulder and pulling her out of my path rather abruptly. We managed to pass each other with only our arms rubbing. (she had to have been upset about all the sweat she rubbed off my arm) I’m sure they had some choice words for me but I never turned around and with my headphones in I couldn’t hear anything they said. I just stayed on my path and finished the run without further incident.

Would I have been wrong if the boyfriend wasn’t paying attention and I plowed into the girl? I really had no intention on hitting the grass and if he had not moved her it would have ended badly for her.




I just had this conversation with my wife. I was complaining about clueless walkers who walk 2 or 3 abreast on the sidewalk and have no clue what's going on around them. The subject came up while my wife and I were going for a power walk and everytime I heard a runner approaching from behind I would move over behind my wife so there was room for him to pass. Same if they were coming at me. Her opinion is they can just run through the grass to pass. I disagreed and feel that they should yield a piece of the sidewalk. Most people are just clueless. Some are downright rude. But would agree its not worth a collision or altercation.
2014-07-14 12:41 PM
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Jim 10 12:14:41
Barry 09 07:55:18
Dennis 07 10:53:00
Mark Z 06 09:25:00
Jackie 12 15:43:4
Lisa 05 04:59:54
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Brian 02 01:32:00
2014-07-14 3:21 PM
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Originally posted by sawyer1206

WARNING: INCOMING RANT!!

So I'm on my Sunday morning long run minding my own business, waving and nodding to my fellow runners and dog walkers as they pass. Well, around mile 5 I was running on the far right hand side of the 6 foot wide side walk when I noticed a group of three adults walking towards me. There was an older women on the left, a man in his early 20's in the middle and a young lady on the right. What caught my attention was the fact that the young girl was walking just in front of the young man but as soon as she made eye contact with me she stepped to her left putting herself in my direct path. Now first let me tell you I am not a bully by any means but I’m also no pushover. I had about 5 seconds to make up my mind as to what I was going to do an I decided to hold my ground. I was not going to hit the grass when all I was asking for was a little 2 foot section of the really wide sidewalk. Besides she was the one that decided to put her 5’ 140lb +/- almost stationary body in the path of my 6’2” 220lb body moving quickly towards her. How did she think this would end?

Anyway her boyfriend saw what was about to happen so he put his arm around her grabbing her shoulder and pulling her out of my path rather abruptly. We managed to pass each other with only our arms rubbing. (she had to have been upset about all the sweat she rubbed off my arm) I’m sure they had some choice words for me but I never turned around and with my headphones in I couldn’t hear anything they said. I just stayed on my path and finished the run without further incident.

Would I have been wrong if the boyfriend wasn’t paying attention and I plowed into the girl? I really had no intention on hitting the grass and if he had not moved her it would have ended badly for her.



I will be the devil's advocate here. My comments are about the 'general rules of the footpath' though, not this specific case.
First, the collision and upsetting yourself and others is not worth it. We are all on the path to enjoy it.
Second, it seems logical that the one who has greater speed gives way and thinks ahead to avoid others. It is hard to expect pedestrians who are talking, looking in different directions and thinking who knows what, to behave as if they were on a highway. It's a footpath and they have every right to be there and do whatever they do. Sometimes they have dogs on a leash, kids running around or on their little bicycles going unpredictably is different directions. Why can't a focused runner moving much faster give way? We can anticipate the situation much earlier. Why not go on the grass and smile?
2014-07-14 3:28 PM
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Adding my swim in for today

Gabe 10 15:39:30
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Jim 10 12:14:41
Barry 09 07:55:18
Dennis 07 10:53:00
Mark Z 06 09:25:00
Jackie 12 16:42:19
Lisa 05 04:59:54
Mark H 05 04:06:00
Brian 02 01:32:00


2014-07-14 8:50 PM
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Originally posted by sawyer1206

WARNING: INCOMING RANT!!

So I'm on my Sunday morning long run minding my own business, waving and nodding to my fellow runners and dog walkers as they pass. Well, around mile 5 I was running on the far right hand side of the 6 foot wide side walk when I noticed a group of three adults walking towards me. There was an older women on the left, a man in his early 20's in the middle and a young lady on the right. What caught my attention was the fact that the young girl was walking just in front of the young man but as soon as she made eye contact with me she stepped to her left putting herself in my direct path. Now first let me tell you I am not a bully by any means but I’m also no pushover. I had about 5 seconds to make up my mind as to what I was going to do an I decided to hold my ground. I was not going to hit the grass when all I was asking for was a little 2 foot section of the really wide sidewalk. Besides she was the one that decided to put her 5’ 140lb +/- almost stationary body in the path of my 6’2” 220lb body moving quickly towards her. How did she think this would end?

Anyway her boyfriend saw what was about to happen so he put his arm around her grabbing her shoulder and pulling her out of my path rather abruptly. We managed to pass each other with only our arms rubbing. (she had to have been upset about all the sweat she rubbed off my arm) I’m sure they had some choice words for me but I never turned around and with my headphones in I couldn’t hear anything they said. I just stayed on my path and finished the run without further incident.

Would I have been wrong if the boyfriend wasn’t paying attention and I plowed into the girl? I really had no intention on hitting the grass and if he had not moved her it would have ended badly for her.



I will be the devil's advocate here. My comments are about the 'general rules of the footpath' though, not this specific case.
First, the collision and upsetting yourself and others is not worth it. We are all on the path to enjoy it.
Second, it seems logical that the one who has greater speed gives way and thinks ahead to avoid others. It is hard to expect pedestrians who are talking, looking in different directions and thinking who knows what, to behave as if they were on a highway. It's a footpath and they have every right to be there and do whatever they do. Sometimes they have dogs on a leash, kids running around or on their little bicycles going unpredictably is different directions. Why can't a focused runner moving much faster give way? We can anticipate the situation much earlier. Why not go on the grass and smile?


I understand the frustration with people who don't share the sidewalk, but my general rule is give them the opportunity to make a space for you and if they don't I yield, with a pardon me. I may be naive, but I don't think most people intend to be rude, but they are just self absorbed in what they are doing. Kind of like the mall stare or people walking around Walmart ( I acknowledge their are those who don't like the chain, but the next closest store to buy underwear is an hour and a half away) with a complete lack of awareness of what is going on around them. Most people are not looking for a confrontation, its just thoughtlessness. Even though I don't like it, I accept it a part of human nature, let it go and not let it ruin my run, because that is my time, I cherish it and try and not let others ruin it for me.

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Originally posted by JBacarella

Originally posted by markz

Originally posted by sawyer1206

WARNING: INCOMING RANT!!

So I'm on my Sunday morning long run minding my own business, waving and nodding to my fellow runners and dog walkers as they pass. Well, around mile 5 I was running on the far right hand side of the 6 foot wide side walk when I noticed a group of three adults walking towards me. There was an older women on the left, a man in his early 20's in the middle and a young lady on the right. What caught my attention was the fact that the young girl was walking just in front of the young man but as soon as she made eye contact with me she stepped to her left putting herself in my direct path. Now first let me tell you I am not a bully by any means but I’m also no pushover. I had about 5 seconds to make up my mind as to what I was going to do an I decided to hold my ground. I was not going to hit the grass when all I was asking for was a little 2 foot section of the really wide sidewalk. Besides she was the one that decided to put her 5’ 140lb +/- almost stationary body in the path of my 6’2” 220lb body moving quickly towards her. How did she think this would end?

Anyway her boyfriend saw what was about to happen so he put his arm around her grabbing her shoulder and pulling her out of my path rather abruptly. We managed to pass each other with only our arms rubbing. (she had to have been upset about all the sweat she rubbed off my arm) I’m sure they had some choice words for me but I never turned around and with my headphones in I couldn’t hear anything they said. I just stayed on my path and finished the run without further incident.

Would I have been wrong if the boyfriend wasn’t paying attention and I plowed into the girl? I really had no intention on hitting the grass and if he had not moved her it would have ended badly for her.



I will be the devil's advocate here. My comments are about the 'general rules of the footpath' though, not this specific case.
First, the collision and upsetting yourself and others is not worth it. We are all on the path to enjoy it.
Second, it seems logical that the one who has greater speed gives way and thinks ahead to avoid others. It is hard to expect pedestrians who are talking, looking in different directions and thinking who knows what, to behave as if they were on a highway. It's a footpath and they have every right to be there and do whatever they do. Sometimes they have dogs on a leash, kids running around or on their little bicycles going unpredictably is different directions. Why can't a focused runner moving much faster give way? We can anticipate the situation much earlier. Why not go on the grass and smile?


I understand the frustration with people who don't share the sidewalk, but my general rule is give them the opportunity to make a space for you and if they don't I yield, with a pardon me. I may be naive, but I don't think most people intend to be rude, but they are just self absorbed in what they are doing. Kind of like the mall stare or people walking around Walmart ( I acknowledge their are those who don't like the chain, but the next closest store to buy underwear is an hour and a half away) with a complete lack of awareness of what is going on around them. Most people are not looking for a confrontation, its just thoughtlessness. Even though I don't like it, I accept it a part of human nature, let it go and not let it ruin my run, because that is my time, I cherish it and try and not let others ruin it for me.


And I agree completely with both of you and have yielded or hit the grass on several occasions. Had this been a normal pedestrian talking to someone or just plain looking the other way I would not have brought it up here. I have just never been in the situation where the person made eye contact and then step into my path.

Your right Joe, running brings me joy and I should not have let this lady in my chicken yard. The incident did ruin the last couple of miles and if that was what she was after then I gave it to her. Shame on me.

2014-07-14 9:52 PM
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5 mile run after work

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Mitch 13 14:30:34
Jim 10 12:14:41
Barry 10 09:00:36
Dennis 07 10:53:00
Mark Z 06 09:25:00
Jackie 12 16:42:19
Lisa 05 04:59:54
Mark H 05 04:06:00
Brian 02 01:32:00


2014-07-14 10:03 PM
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Jim, congratulations on your race and retaining your title of King of the Bacarella home, well done!

Adding a 7 mile run on Saturday, 90 min drainer yesterday and 1hr drainer today. 

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Mitch 13 14:30:34 
Jim 10 12:14:41 
Barry 10 09:00:36 
Dennis 07 10:53:00 
Mark Z 06 09:25:00 
Jackie 12 16:42:19 
Lisa 05 04:59:54 
Mark H 05 04:06:00 
Brian 02 01:32:00

2014-07-15 7:33 AM
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Intervals!

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Jackie 13 17:37:21
Jim 10 12:14:41
Barry 10 09:00:36
Dennis 07 10:53:00
Mark Z 06 09:25:00
Lisa 05 04:59:54
Mark H 05 04:06:00
Brian 02 01:32:00

2014-07-15 8:11 AM
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1 hr on the drainer this morning

Gabe 13 19:14:30
Mitch 14 15:30:47
Jackie 13 17:37:21
Jim 10 12:14:41
Barry 10 09:00:36
Dennis 07 10:53:00
Mark Z 06 09:25:00
Lisa 05 04:59:54
Mark H 05 04:06:00
Brian 02 01:32:00
2014-07-15 11:11 AM
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Looking for suggestions on transition one training. Because I live in Texas and it is so hot in the afternoon(not complaining I love the heat just hate the humidity) we wait until 6:30PM to ride and normally finish up around 8:30PM. This does not leave me any time to run afterwards. I know the obvious answer would be cut back on the ride time to allow for a run but the rides are quality time for the wife and I do not want to take that from her. So I'm thinking about doing the training in the gym and was wondering if there are any drawbacks to transition training in the gym? I'm not real crazy about the spin bike but its doable, and don't mind the treadmill on short runs so I'm thinking this might be my best option. Do you guys ever train for transitions in the gym? Would I benefit more from making a stronger effort to train on the road?


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Mitch 14 15:30:47
Jackie 13 17:37:21
Jim 10 12:14:41
Barry 10 09:00:36
Dennis 09 12:06:00
Mark Z 06 09:25:00
Lisa 05 04:59:54
Mark H 05 04:06:00
Brian 02 01:32:00
2014-07-15 12:52 PM
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55 minutes on the drainer

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Mitch 14 15:30:47
Jackie 13 17:37:21
Jim 11 13:09:41
Barry 10 09:00:36
Dennis 09 12:06:00
Mark Z 06 09:25:00
Lisa 05 04:59:54
Mark H 05 04:06:00
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Looking for suggestions on transition one training. Because I live in Texas and it is so hot in the afternoon(not complaining I love the heat just hate the humidity) we wait until 6:30PM to ride and normally finish up around 8:30PM. This does not leave me any time to run afterwards. I know the obvious answer would be cut back on the ride time to allow for a run but the rides are quality time for the wife and I do not want to take that from her. So I'm thinking about doing the training in the gym and was wondering if there are any drawbacks to transition training in the gym? I'm not real crazy about the spin bike but its doable, and don't mind the treadmill on short runs so I'm thinking this might be my best option. Do you guys ever train for transitions in the gym? Would I benefit more from making a stronger effort to train on the road?



Are asking about (1) the transition process from bike to run or asking about (2) getting used to the physical act of running after biking.

(1) Probably not the best strategy but I have only really practiced transitions a couple times. From the bike to run it pretty straightforward. get your cycling shoes off and get your run shoes on. I've only raced Sprints so I have gone sockless most times. I'm not coordinated enough to get my feet out of my shoes while they're clipped in and certainly not coordinated enough to do a flying dismount. So I focus mainly on getting off the bike in one piece and then being quick in getting my shoes on and off and on my way to the run. I may have a running hat I throw on. I think you should practice this a couple times. You can do it whenever.

(2) As for running off the bike, the training plab I'm following now has Bricks every few weeks. Purpose is to get used to the feeling of running after cycling. You could certianly do this in the gym between a spin bike and a treadmill.

2014-07-15 6:47 PM
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4000m swim at lunch

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Mitch 14 15:30:47 
Jackie 13 17:37:21 
Jim 11 13:09:41 
Barry 10 09:00:36 
Dennis 09 12:06:00 
Mark Z 06 09:25:00 
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Hour run this morning (5x1000 @ 5k/10k pace). What neat is that I'm following the same running plan as last year and I can go back and compare key workouts like today to last year. Below is a chart comparing today versus one year ago. It's neat to see theimprovement in pace vs. HR. I'm a data hound so this is really neat for me.

Has a similar cramp in similar location as I did a few weeks ago. I think I determined its due to a short bridge over a stream that is steep. Ithink running down the bridge is causing my quads to cramp when I'm doing a hard effort. I walked it out and did 2 more intervals after the cramp. feels fine now.

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Mitch 15 16:31:46
Jackie 13 17:37:21
Jim 11 13:09:41
Barry 10 09:00:36
Dennis 09 12:06:00
Mark Z 06 09:25:00
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