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 2015-03-26 2:13 PM in reply to: popsracer |
 Seattle |  Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?)Originally posted by popsracer Originally posted by Asalzwed Also, speaking of prioritization... As you all know I have more or less dedicated the next 6 months or so to mountain/trail running. So, I have used that as a filter for making decisions. Anyway, a big track meet is coming up this weekend. My coach called me to ask me to race. He framed it at first as, "You probably aren't 100% recovered from your half marathon a few weeks ago. Perhaps you might want to try something shorter" After googling "how to steeplechase" I quickly responded that I didn't really want to compete in the meet (I have a trail 10K) unless maybe I could try the steeplechase
Pssssshhhhhh. Whaaaateeeveerrrrr. So then he goes in for the kill saying, "Well, you could always run the 10,000. You DO have a title to defend" That was cold! I did, however, manage to say no. At this point, I really do think the trail 10K is a better fit for my overall plan. Not to mention a little less pressure and a lot more fun. But it wasn't exactly easy to keep that exact perspective... Yikes, fixed barriers are cruel and unforgiving. I think you are wise to not go there. Plenty of good trails waiting for you to conquer. Good luck. I don't get any credit for not doing the steeplechase. If he would have given his blessing I would have done it But I do get some credit for not doing the 10,000. I've been sick and the thought of running 25 laps on the track doesn't sound very appealing. At least if I puke on the trails an entire stadium wont see me lol |
He quickly killed that dream stating that "enough people with a lot of experience have some major issues/injuries." and that I "should probably at least have a technique session before entering a race"
| 2015-03-26 2:15 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Master 10208  Northern IL | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by Asalzwed Originally posted by popsracer Originally posted by Asalzwed Also, speaking of prioritization... As you all know I have more or less dedicated the next 6 months or so to mountain/trail running. So, I have used that as a filter for making decisions. Anyway, a big track meet is coming up this weekend. My coach called me to ask me to race. He framed it at first as, "You probably aren't 100% recovered from your half marathon a few weeks ago. Perhaps you might want to try something shorter" After googling "how to steeplechase" I quickly responded that I didn't really want to compete in the meet (I have a trail 10K) unless maybe I could try the steeplechase
Pssssshhhhhh. Whaaaateeeveerrrrr. So then he goes in for the kill saying, "Well, you could always run the 10,000. You DO have a title to defend" That was cold! I did, however, manage to say no. At this point, I really do think the trail 10K is a better fit for my overall plan. Not to mention a little less pressure and a lot more fun. But it wasn't exactly easy to keep that exact perspective... Yikes, fixed barriers are cruel and unforgiving. I think you are wise to not go there. Plenty of good trails waiting for you to conquer. Good luck. I don't get any credit for not doing the steeplechase. If he would have given his blessing I would have done it But I do get some credit for not doing the 10,000. I've been sick and the thought of running 25 laps on the track doesn't sound very appealing. At least if I puke on the trails an entire stadium wont see me lol 25 laps on a track, speaking of getting sick! |
| 2015-03-26 2:26 PM in reply to: 0 |
Extreme Veteran 2261  Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 All in, I swam hard but steady (didn't blow up in the first 50, as I'd done on this course previously). Biked hard, but steady (very few spikes, close to FTP). Ben and Matt could probably hold a higher percentage of their calculated FTP, but this was what I could put down on the day. Ran well and consistently at my 10k pace, but felt again like I would die if the course had been 3.4000000001 miles long. So, without having set it up that way, "What Ben said" worked for me in that sprint. Remember to have fun (even if it feels like something very different DURING the race)! Matt The running joke here is that I treat every bike split like a FTP test. It's not far from true, as I'm aiming for .95-100% FTP on most TTs or short course (sprint and Oly) bike legs. I'd like to aim just a hair over FTP for a 20k, but it's hard for me to do. I need more VO2 work, which is my focus right now. Edited by msteiner 2015-03-26 2:26 PM |
| 2015-03-26 3:03 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by Asalzwed Also, speaking of prioritization... As you all know I have more or less dedicated the next 6 months or so to mountain/trail running. So, I have used that as a filter for making decisions. Anyway, a big track meet is coming up this weekend. My coach called me to ask me to race. He framed it at first as, "You probably aren't 100% recovered from your half marathon a few weeks ago. Perhaps you might want to try something shorter" After googling "how to steeplechase" I quickly responded that I didn't really want to compete in the meet (I have a trail 10K) unless maybe I could try the steeplechase
Pssssshhhhhh. Whaaaateeeveerrrrr. So then he goes in for the kill saying, "Well, you could always run the 10,000. You DO have a title to defend" That was cold! I did, however, manage to say no. At this point, I really do think the trail 10K is a better fit for my overall plan. Not to mention a little less pressure and a lot more fun. But it wasn't exactly easy to keep that exact perspective... It was super nice for your coach to think of you for the meet and at least honest of him to about the steeplechase. The trail 10k does sound more in keeping with your current plan though. Have fun out there! |
| 2015-03-26 3:03 PM in reply to: msteiner |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by msteiner Think I've only matched or beaten 95% twice for a sprint. I should be able to, but also haven't really keyed in on a sprint and seem to find ones with longer bike sections. Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 All in, I swam hard but steady (didn't blow up in the first 50, as I'd done on this course previously). Biked hard, but steady (very few spikes, close to FTP). Ben and Matt could probably hold a higher percentage of their calculated FTP, but this was what I could put down on the day. Ran well and consistently at my 10k pace, but felt again like I would die if the course had been 3.4000000001 miles long. So, without having set it up that way, "What Ben said" worked for me in that sprint. Remember to have fun (even if it feels like something very different DURING the race)! Matt The running joke here is that I treat every bike split like a FTP test. It's not far from true, as I'm aiming for .95-100% FTP on most TTs or short course (sprint and Oly) bike legs. I'd like to aim just a hair over FTP for a 20k, but it's hard for me to do. I need more VO2 work, which is my focus right now. |
| 2015-03-26 3:16 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Extreme Veteran 2261 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by brigby1 Originally posted by msteiner Think I've only matched or beaten 95% twice for a sprint. I should be able to, but also haven't really keyed in on a sprint and seem to find ones with longer bike sections.Originally posted by mcmanusclan5 All in, I swam hard but steady (didn't blow up in the first 50, as I'd done on this course previously). Biked hard, but steady (very few spikes, close to FTP). Ben and Matt could probably hold a higher percentage of their calculated FTP, but this was what I could put down on the day. Ran well and consistently at my 10k pace, but felt again like I would die if the course had been 3.4000000001 miles long. So, without having set it up that way, "What Ben said" worked for me in that sprint. Remember to have fun (even if it feels like something very different DURING the race)! Matt The running joke here is that I treat every bike split like a FTP test. It's not far from true, as I'm aiming for .95-100% FTP on most TTs or short course (sprint and Oly) bike legs. I'd like to aim just a hair over FTP for a 20k, but it's hard for me to do. I need more VO2 work, which is my focus right now. I am always frustrated at not being able to go much harder in a sprint tri than an Olympic, but after talking with a high level coach, it's apparently a common problem with triathletes. We don't have the top end that pure roadies do. |
| 2015-03-26 3:16 PM in reply to: brigby1 |
Member 836 North Augusta, South Carolina | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Need a bit of advice: I'm signed up for a sprint this Saturday (wasn't going to race it, but I succumbed to peer pressure and promises of breakfast afterwards). The weather of late has been glorious...70s and sunny. NOT on Saturday. Overnight lows will be 30 and as the race begins at 8:00 a.m., expected highs during the race will be 40-45 degrees. The swim is a short indoor pool swim followed by a 12 mile bike. The first 5 miles on the bike will be fast and downhill, whereas the next 7 miles will involve a lot of climbing. WHAT does one wear for the bike? I'm at a bit of a loss, and I don't have a lot of cooler weather gear. Alas, I think being wet and then going downhill quickly on a bike will cause one to get just a bit chilly. I'm also concerned with the challenge involved in trying to put things on over a wet tri kit. Thoughts? Suggestions? |
| 2015-03-26 3:17 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Member 2689 Denver, CO | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by Asalzwed Also, speaking of prioritization... As you all know I have more or less dedicated the next 6 months or so to mountain/trail running. So, I have used that as a filter for making decisions. Anyway, a big track meet is coming up this weekend. My coach called me to ask me to race. He framed it at first as, "You probably aren't 100% recovered from your half marathon a few weeks ago. Perhaps you might want to try something shorter" After googling "how to steeplechase" I quickly responded that I didn't really want to compete in the meet (I have a trail 10K) unless maybe I could try the steeplechase
Pssssshhhhhh. Whaaaateeeveerrrrr. So then he goes in for the kill saying, "Well, you could always run the 10,000. You DO have a title to defend" That was cold! I did, however, manage to say no. At this point, I really do think the trail 10K is a better fit for my overall plan. Not to mention a little less pressure and a lot more fun. But it wasn't exactly easy to keep that exact perspective... What, you don't want to take up gymnastics in addition to your other athletic endeavors?! That's a great picture, although I don't imagine the athlete felt that way. Glad you're opting for the trail 10K. Less pressure and more fun is always a good thing!! |
| 2015-03-26 3:44 PM in reply to: glfprncs |
Member 2689 Denver, CO | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by glfprncs Need a bit of advice: I'm signed up for a sprint this Saturday (wasn't going to race it, but I succumbed to peer pressure and promises of breakfast afterwards). The weather of late has been glorious...70s and sunny. NOT on Saturday. Overnight lows will be 30 and as the race begins at 8:00 a.m., expected highs during the race will be 40-45 degrees. The swim is a short indoor pool swim followed by a 12 mile bike. The first 5 miles on the bike will be fast and downhill, whereas the next 7 miles will involve a lot of climbing. WHAT does one wear for the bike? I'm at a bit of a loss, and I don't have a lot of cooler weather gear. Alas, I think being wet and then going downhill quickly on a bike will cause one to get just a bit chilly. I'm also concerned with the challenge involved in trying to put things on over a wet tri kit. Thoughts? Suggestions? I did a race last year that was fairly chilly. I didn't put anything on my legs; just put on a full-zip, long-sleeve cycling jersey in T1. It looked a little silly over my tri kit but was easy on/easy off and I was warm enough by the time I got to T2 that I ditched it then. A light-mid weight close-fitting jacket would probably serve the same purpose. Since it's a fairly short bike, you won't need pockets for anything. On the other hand, I'm not exactly an expert, having done a grand total of 2 tris. There's a thread about this topic over in TT if you're interested. |
| 2015-03-26 3:54 PM in reply to: laffinrock |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by laffinrock Originally posted by glfprncs Need a bit of advice: I'm signed up for a sprint this Saturday (wasn't going to race it, but I succumbed to peer pressure and promises of breakfast afterwards). The weather of late has been glorious...70s and sunny. NOT on Saturday. Overnight lows will be 30 and as the race begins at 8:00 a.m., expected highs during the race will be 40-45 degrees. The swim is a short indoor pool swim followed by a 12 mile bike. The first 5 miles on the bike will be fast and downhill, whereas the next 7 miles will involve a lot of climbing. WHAT does one wear for the bike? I'm at a bit of a loss, and I don't have a lot of cooler weather gear. Alas, I think being wet and then going downhill quickly on a bike will cause one to get just a bit chilly. I'm also concerned with the challenge involved in trying to put things on over a wet tri kit. Thoughts? Suggestions? I did a race last year that was fairly chilly. I didn't put anything on my legs; just put on a full-zip, long-sleeve cycling jersey in T1. It looked a little silly over my tri kit but was easy on/easy off and I was warm enough by the time I got to T2 that I ditched it then. A light-mid weight close-fitting jacket would probably serve the same purpose. Since it's a fairly short bike, you won't need pockets for anything. On the other hand, I'm not exactly an expert, having done a grand total of 2 tris. There's a thread about this topic over in TT if you're interested. I agree with Mary (of course). Another option is if you have any sleeves. Just roll those puppies right up over wet arms and push them down after you've warmed up on those climbs! |
| 2015-03-26 4:26 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) How did you guys predict your Pikes Peak ascent time? It looks like the rule of thumb is flat marathon + 30 minutes-ish? |
| 2015-03-26 4:28 PM in reply to: 0 |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by Asalzwed How did you guys predict your Pikes Peak ascent time? It looks like the rule of thumb is flat marathon + 30 minutes-ish? I went with my last similar climb grossed up for the additional miles (sorry, I'm an accountant at heart) It might put me behind some slower folks though because it is significantly slower than my HM + 30 Edited by rrrunner 2015-03-26 4:30 PM |
| 2015-03-26 4:32 PM in reply to: glfprncs |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by glfprncs Need a bit of advice: I'm signed up for a sprint this Saturday (wasn't going to race it, but I succumbed to peer pressure and promises of breakfast afterwards). The weather of late has been glorious...70s and sunny. NOT on Saturday. Overnight lows will be 30 and as the race begins at 8:00 a.m., expected highs during the race will be 40-45 degrees. The swim is a short indoor pool swim followed by a 12 mile bike. The first 5 miles on the bike will be fast and downhill, whereas the next 7 miles will involve a lot of climbing. WHAT does one wear for the bike? I'm at a bit of a loss, and I don't have a lot of cooler weather gear. Alas, I think being wet and then going downhill quickly on a bike will cause one to get just a bit chilly. I'm also concerned with the challenge involved in trying to put things on over a wet tri kit. Thoughts? Suggestions? This is kind of a toughy. If it was about 10 degrees warmer I'd probably suck it up for the 20 minutes or so of downhill knowing that I'm going to heat up on the hills and be fine from that point on. 40 is still a bit chilly no matter what. Given that I'd pull something on. I don't think you'll need much maybe a full sleeve, full zipper cycling jersey or jacket if you have one. I prefer not having to pull something over my head when I'm wet. I might get stuck that way and look pretty silly. Wow, lots of racing action this weekend. Can't wait for the reports and stories next week. |
| 2015-03-26 4:33 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed How did you guys predict your Pikes Peak ascent time? It looks like the rule of thumb is flat marathon + 30 minutes-ish? I went with my last similar climb grossed up for the additional miles (sorry, I'm an accountant at heart) It might put me behind some slower folks though because it is significantly slower than my HM + 30 No. Marathon + 30 |
| 2015-03-26 4:35 PM in reply to: glfprncs |
| Master 5557 , California | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by glfprncs Need a bit of advice: I'm signed up for a sprint this Saturday (wasn't going to race it, but I succumbed to peer pressure and promises of breakfast afterwards). The weather of late has been glorious...70s and sunny. NOT on Saturday. Overnight lows will be 30 and as the race begins at 8:00 a.m., expected highs during the race will be 40-45 degrees. The swim is a short indoor pool swim followed by a 12 mile bike. The first 5 miles on the bike will be fast and downhill, whereas the next 7 miles will involve a lot of climbing. WHAT does one wear for the bike? I'm at a bit of a loss, and I don't have a lot of cooler weather gear. Alas, I think being wet and then going downhill quickly on a bike will cause one to get just a bit chilly. I'm also concerned with the challenge involved in trying to put things on over a wet tri kit. Thoughts? Suggestions? Revoking my "mostly lurking" status for a moment... if you can get them, put some toe covers on your bike shoes before the race. Since you put them on beforehand, it doesn't cost any time, and your feet will thank you when you start the run |
| 2015-03-26 4:35 PM in reply to: glfprncs |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by glfprncs Need a bit of advice: I'm signed up for a sprint this Saturday (wasn't going to race it, but I succumbed to peer pressure and promises of breakfast afterwards). The weather of late has been glorious...70s and sunny. NOT on Saturday. Overnight lows will be 30 and as the race begins at 8:00 a.m., expected highs during the race will be 40-45 degrees. The swim is a short indoor pool swim followed by a 12 mile bike. The first 5 miles on the bike will be fast and downhill, whereas the next 7 miles will involve a lot of climbing. WHAT does one wear for the bike? I'm at a bit of a loss, and I don't have a lot of cooler weather gear. Alas, I think being wet and then going downhill quickly on a bike will cause one to get just a bit chilly. I'm also concerned with the challenge involved in trying to put things on over a wet tri kit. Thoughts? Suggestions? Go to Harris Teeter and get a package of 2 gallon zip lock bags. Shove a bag under your top. It will work kind of like a disposable vest. |
| 2015-03-26 4:46 PM in reply to: #5095426 |
Member 836 North Augusta, South Carolina | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) I have toe warmers & a combo cycling jacket/vest. Coworker is loaning me a wool cycling jersey (zip ip). Go with the wool or the wwindjacket? |
| 2015-03-26 4:59 PM in reply to: Asalzwed |
Master 6595 Rio Rancho, NM | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by Asalzwed Right, right. That's what I meant. I estimated slower than that still. I have HM on the brain because I'm considering a beefed up HM plan for PPAOriginally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed How did you guys predict your Pikes Peak ascent time? It looks like the rule of thumb is flat marathon + 30 minutes-ish? I went with my last similar climb grossed up for the additional miles (sorry, I'm an accountant at heart) It might put me behind some slower folks though because it is significantly slower than my HM + 30 No. Marathon + 30 |
| 2015-03-26 5:07 PM in reply to: rrrunner |
| Seattle | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed Right, right. That's what I meant. I estimated slower than that still. I have HM on the brain because I'm considering a beefed up HM plan for PPA Originally posted by rrrunner Originally posted by Asalzwed How did you guys predict your Pikes Peak ascent time? It looks like the rule of thumb is flat marathon + 30 minutes-ish? I went with my last similar climb grossed up for the additional miles (sorry, I'm an accountant at heart) It might put me behind some slower folks though because it is significantly slower than my HM + 30 No. Marathon + 30 I'm probably going to run more of a marathon plan with a ton of hill/mountain running plus hiking. Especially since the time out there is going to be even longer than a marathon. I think I may have initially read the suggestion wrong and done HM + 30. Which is going to make me look like a fool LOL I believe they line people up by qualifying time, not projected finish. |
| 2015-03-26 5:11 PM in reply to: glfprncs |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by glfprncs I have toe warmers & a combo cycling jacket/vest. Coworker is loaning me a wool cycling jersey (zip ip). Go with the wool or the wwindjacket? Depends on your tolerance to cold and how hard you are going to push yourself. 40 is pretty chilly in my book for being on a bike. |
| 2015-03-26 5:31 PM in reply to: popsracer |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by popsracer Originally posted by glfprncs I have toe warmers & a combo cycling jacket/vest. Coworker is loaning me a wool cycling jersey (zip ip). Go with the wool or the wwindjacket? Depends on your tolerance to cold and how hard you are going to push yourself. 40 is pretty chilly in my book for being on a bike. What do you normally wear for a 40 degree ride? |
| 2015-03-26 5:55 PM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) |
| 2015-03-26 5:57 PM in reply to: jmkizer |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by popsracer Originally posted by glfprncs I have toe warmers & a combo cycling jacket/vest. Coworker is loaning me a wool cycling jersey (zip ip). Go with the wool or the wwindjacket? Depends on your tolerance to cold and how hard you are going to push yourself. 40 is pretty chilly in my book for being on a bike. What do you normally wear for a 40 degree ride? I don't ride below about 55. The coldest race I ever did was Boise 70.3 in 2012. It was so cold they shortened the bike to 14 miles and some of the pros rode in their wetsuits. I wore thin compression socks under my wetsuit and a cycling jersey. It wasn't too bad. I think temps were around 40 but it was windy and raining. Coming out of T1 (boise.jpg) Attachments ---------------- boise.jpg (25KB - 4 downloads) |
| 2015-03-26 5:58 PM in reply to: popsracer |
Member 2689 Denver, CO | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by popsracer Originally posted by glfprncs I have toe warmers & a combo cycling jacket/vest. Coworker is loaning me a wool cycling jersey (zip ip). Go with the wool or the wwindjacket? Depends on your tolerance to cold and how hard you are going to push yourself. 40 is pretty chilly in my book for being on a bike. Depending on the day, you might also want some full-finger gloves. You won't need your fingers for running but you will in T2. If they're numb from the cold, changing your shoes will be tough and you might end up stuck in your helmet because you can't unfasten it. (Okay maybe not getting stuck in your helmet, but I'll bet it's happened to somebody. |
| 2015-03-26 6:04 PM in reply to: popsracer |
Master 9705 Raleigh, NC area | Subject: RE: Manatee Mentors 2015.2 CLOSED (Poptarts? Pet pics?) Originally posted by popsracer Originally posted by jmkizer Originally posted by popsracer Originally posted by glfprncs I have toe warmers & a combo cycling jacket/vest. Coworker is loaning me a wool cycling jersey (zip ip). Go with the wool or the wwindjacket? Depends on your tolerance to cold and how hard you are going to push yourself. 40 is pretty chilly in my book for being on a bike. What do you normally wear for a 40 degree ride? I don't ride below about 55. The coldest race I ever did was Boise 70.3 in 2012. It was so cold they shortened the bike to 14 miles and some of the pros rode in their wetsuits. I wore thin compression socks under my wetsuit and a cycling jersey. It wasn't too bad. I think temps were around 40 but it was windy and raining. Coming out of T1 hahaha! I didn't mean you, Steve, I meant Nancy! So Nancy, what do you normally wear on the bike in the winter? |
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