Deep Wheels on Roadies
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2015-03-06 9:46 AM |
DC | Subject: Deep Wheels on Roadies Understanding that, arguably, "aero road bikes" miss the point as true "aero-ness" really is the rider's position. Still, wonder why some pros still use deep wheels on their roadies. Is there an actual noticeable aero benefit justifying the added weight &/or might it have something to do w/less rolling resistance? |
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2015-03-06 10:45 AM in reply to: Porfirio |
Pro 5892 , New Hampshire | Subject: RE: Deep Wheels on Roadies Looking at the pro's may be a bit misleading… They have to abide by the 6.8kg minimum weight, so you might just as well add the very small extra weight of an aerodynamic wheel set. Besides, the deeper rims do offer a noticeable advantage. |
2015-03-06 1:00 PM in reply to: Porfirio |
Regular 606 Portland, Oregon | Subject: RE: Deep Wheels on Roadies Agreed with above. A lot of pro rides will have ballast added to hit minimum weight. While it may be more beneficial to have lead shot near the BB for stability rather than on rotating mass, an aero wheel will likely always be worth its weight penalty IF you are in clear air. Deep in a peloton, that doesn't matter at all. So, if you are itching to lead a breakaway, an aero wheelset is a good move. |
2015-03-06 1:14 PM in reply to: Porfirio |
Subject: RE: Deep Wheels on Roadies Originally posted by Porfirio Understanding that, arguably, "aero road bikes" miss the point as true "aero-ness" really is the rider's position. Why do aero road bikes miss the point? Yes, the largest amount of drag is created by the rider, but aero road bikes focus on the drag that is not created by the rider...and it still has an impact. Cables, brakes, head tube, seat tube, seat post, down tube, stays, etc...they all see the wind. Reducing drag in these areas will contribute to making you faster.
Still, wonder why some pros still use deep wheels on their roadies. Is there an actual noticeable aero benefit justifying the added weight &/or might it have something to do w/less rolling resistance? Do you think that deep wheels help TT bikes but may have no impact on road bikes? I'm not understanding why you might think this or why you're asking the question. Yes, deep wheels become somewhat insignificant when riding in a big peloton, but someone has to be in the front eating the wind. And if you expect to win a race, or contend for the win...eventually you have to put yourself, your bike, and your wheels into the wind. Or the many other situations during a road race where your wheels can't hide...such as if you're in a breakaway, crosswinds, etc. As already mentioned, overall weight is usually not an issue for pros given the UCI weight minimum. Pros on climbing stages may opt for lighter wheels to give them better acceleration for attacks on the last climb. Still the same overall weight (whether they choose deep or shallow wheels), but reducing a bit of rotational weight when accelerating could mean the difference between marking an attack and getting dropped. |
2015-03-06 2:01 PM in reply to: Jason N |
Master 1946 Memphis, TN | Subject: RE: Deep Wheels on Roadies Depends on the elevation gain. If it's flat then heavier doesn't really matter. If you do a lot of climbing while riding then Aero wheels don't really make a difference. So many of my riding friends have them and swear by them. Then again I live in flat land. |
2015-03-06 2:19 PM in reply to: Jtiger |
Subject: RE: Deep Wheels on Roadies Originally posted by Jtiger Depends on the elevation gain. If it's flat then heavier doesn't really matter. In terms of the OP, weight doesn't really matter at all since he is referencing pros, who need to meet the UCI weight minimum. They should be able to meet the minimum weight easily...regardless of what wheel depth they choose. Weight can matter a hair as I mentioned above...when you are worrying about low speed, but high power accelerations on steep climbs. In those cases you aren't going fast enough (maybe less than 12 mph) for deep wheels to have a significant impact but the rotational weight's impact on acceleration can be a small factor. Still small...but races are won and lost by narrow margins...especially if that narrow margin means you lose contact with the other contenders and the potential draft later on in the race.
If you do a lot of climbing while riding then Aero wheels don't really make a difference. So many of my riding friends have them and swear by them. Then again I live in flat land. Again...it depends. Most times we have to climb, we also have to descend. Aero wheels can help you descend faster...most times giving you more speed than you lose for the added weight (assuming we aren't talking about UCI minimum weights anymore). The "general" exceptions would be... 1. You're doing an all uphill race, or a race with a significant net elevation gain. 2. The descents are so technical that max speed is not an issue because you're constantly braking 3. You're going to be descending in a group, can draft whoever is leading the descent, and aren't expected to come to the front and do work. |
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2015-03-06 8:12 PM in reply to: Porfirio |
Elite 4344 | Subject: RE: Deep Wheels on Roadies You guys are missing the point. Some Zipp 404's on a road bike just look TOTALLY IN COMMAND. TW
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2015-03-07 1:19 PM in reply to: Porfirio |
Veteran 740 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: Deep Wheels on Roadies Originally posted by Porfirio Understanding that, arguably, "aero road bikes" miss the point as true "aero-ness" really is the rider's position. Still, wonder why some pros still use deep wheels on their roadies. Is there an actual noticeable aero benefit justifying the added weight &/or might it have something to do w/less rolling resistance? When Mark Cavendish is laying down 1500 watts, sprinting at 45 mph....do you really think he doesn't want every aero advantage he can get? Don't be fooled by the footage from the feed zone or the parts of the race when no one's pushing the pace.....when the race is on...at the key moments....the pros are in very aero positions on their roadies, cranking out some serious power, and flat out flying. |
2015-03-08 5:45 PM in reply to: Porfirio |
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