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 2015-03-17 11:13 AM |
Expert  2355    Madison, Wisconsin |  Subject: More power options availablePowertap has finally produced more options other then their hub based systems. Nothing too big or new here, just tapping into crank and pedal options. Costs are down which is good for the consumer, and they do have great customer service. http://www.dcrainmaker.com/2015/03/powertap-announces-pedals-and-ch... Looks like Stages will need to up their game, and curious to see what Quarq does with this, if they do/change anything. I might just need to walk across the street and pick one up…might. |
| 2015-03-17 11:50 AM in reply to: bcagle25 |
| Subject: RE: More power options available As with any new product to the market, they will need to be tested thoroughl. Accuracy, precision, reliability, and durability. I am liking that the pedals are simply just that...no pods or extra installation procedures. Competitive pricing is also good for the market. DC Rainmaker is on record saying that he believes the lifecycle for one sided power measurement is ending soon. Too many other options for total power measurement at competitive prices on the horizon. |
| 2015-03-17 12:05 PM in reply to: Jason N |
Extreme Veteran 5722  | Subject: RE: More power options available Originally posted by Jason N As with any new product to the market, they will need to be tested thoroughl. Accuracy, precision, reliability, and durability. I am liking that the pedals are simply just that...no pods or extra installation procedures. Competitive pricing is also good for the market. DC Rainmaker is on record saying that he believes the lifecycle for one sided power measurement is ending soon. Too many other options for total power measurement at competitive prices on the horizon. I saw "accuracy on the chainring meter is 4-7%". I don't know if that is true, but if so, that is a big margin Pedals : I question the battery life, but hey, we'll see. If they have some way of checking battery level through the head unit, I guess it's OK. 60 hours ? You will be changing batteries every 2 weeks :-) All power meters when they come out are super exciting. Then we learn of their true shortcomings. Quarq, Stages, Vectors....they all had their issues. I am a strong believer in PT quality, hopefully they did this right. PS : the "complexity" of the Vector installation process is WAY over stated. I can definitely now swap my Vectors faster than my Quarq. |
| 2015-03-17 2:41 PM in reply to: marcag |
| Subject: RE: More power options available Yeah, forgot about the battery issue. That's likely a deal breaker for me, but doesn't seem like something they can't easily modify down the road. Their justification of being able to buy batteries at a gas station was a bit puzzling. If you're constantly relying on gas stations to replace dead batteries...that's not something you should be proud about. I do feel like it is a move in the right direction as far as my ideal power meter. I fully understand my ideal is not the same as everyone else. I just want a PM that I can easily swap and not have to worry at all about impacting accuracy. We all know that there will be good and bad days on the bike through training and racing. It would drive me absolutely nuts if I had doubt about a good or bad day being really that...or simply installation errors. Especially considering some of my biggest races involve travel and removing my pedals. Doubting accurate numbers can be just as bad as using inaccurate numbers as far as driving your training and racing. FTR, I can swap my Quarq faster than I can swap standard pedals. Mostly due to ease of leverage and one act of loosening and tightening versus two.
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| 2015-03-17 3:13 PM in reply to: Jason N |
| 360 Ottawa, Ontario | Subject: RE: More power options available More downward pressure on power meter prices... I'd expect that Quarq/P2M/Stages/etc would be looking at some adjustments soon, so either way this should benefit consumers. I certainly see these offerings as a bigger threat that the 4iii. |
| 2015-03-17 3:43 PM in reply to: Jason N |
Extreme Veteran 2261 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: More power options available The decision to use AAA batteries is going to cost a lot of sales. I can't believe they went in that direction. |
| 2015-03-17 5:34 PM in reply to: msteiner |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: More power options available Originally posted by msteiner The decision to use AAA batteries is going to cost a lot of sales. I can't believe they went in that direction. Apparently the usual coin CR2032 batteries weren't up to snuff on power output. I do think 60 hrs is a bit short - I wonder if they can report the status of the battery to a head unit? |
| 2015-03-17 6:35 PM in reply to: axteraa |
Pro 6582 Melbourne FL Gold member | Subject: RE: More power options available Originally posted by axteraa 60 hours life in the P1 does seem short, Vectors are supposedly rated at 175 hours with a 2032 and it has half the power capability of a AAA. Must be something to do with the electronics as each strain gauge (8) has "a dedicated corresponding processor to it". I think this is going to cost them sales with a $1200 price point.Originally posted by msteiner The decision to use AAA batteries is going to cost a lot of sales. I can't believe they went in that direction. Apparently the usual coin CR2032 batteries weren't up to snuff on power output. I do think 60 hrs is a bit short - I wonder if they can report the status of the battery to a head unit? |
| 2015-03-17 10:58 PM in reply to: bcagle25 |
| Member 169 | Subject: RE: More power options available Not sure why the battery life is an issue for everybody. My best guess; I spend 15 minutes every 30 hours cleaning up my drivetrain etc. I'd anticipate having a batch of rechargeable lithium ion batteries that I rotate through every time I do maintenance on my bike. Looks like it's simple to access the battery port so would take all of 1 minute to change two batteries, then drop the old ones in the charger. |
| 2015-03-18 5:43 AM in reply to: bcagle25 |
Master 2094 | Subject: RE: More power options available Power meters are still expensive for most people. If the 4iii is really <$400 and accurate it may change things. |
| 2015-03-18 5:53 AM in reply to: bcagle25 |
Pro 5892 , New Hampshire | Subject: RE: More power options available Love the customer service of PowerTap, but these won't be an option for me due to the proprietary chain rings. I'm using Q-rings on all my bikes…. And even if I didn't, I don't know if I would want to get stuck with one brand of rings if the only option is FSA... |
| 2015-03-18 10:53 AM in reply to: 0 |
Extreme Veteran 2261 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: More power options available Originally posted by burhed Not sure why the battery life is an issue for everybody. My best guess; I spend 15 minutes every 30 hours cleaning up my drivetrain etc. I'd anticipate having a batch of rechargeable lithium ion batteries that I rotate through every time I do maintenance on my bike. Looks like it's simple to access the battery port so would take all of 1 minute to change two batteries, then drop the old ones in the charger. Because in the year 2015 having 60hrs of battery life is unacceptable when every other PM option more than doubles it at worst case. This feels like a step backwards. Edited by msteiner 2015-03-18 10:54 AM |
| 2015-03-18 11:48 AM in reply to: msteiner |
| 27 | Subject: RE: More power options available I also don't see the big issue with the battery. Although, I only ride about 6 hours a week, so I'd be getting almost 10 weeks per battery. According to DCRainmaker, the coin cell didn't provide enough power. The "plug and play" is what would sell me on the pedals over Garmin. Unfortunately they're still more than I want to spend. So I'm torn between the hub and the C1... |
| 2015-03-20 10:55 AM in reply to: Pilot87 |
Elite 2999 Hattiesburg, Mississippi | Subject: RE: More power options available The durability of the pedal upon contact with the ground will be another big issue. |
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