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2015-05-21 11:37 AM
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Oh and yeah, I'd put long hill reps in a strength/endurance combo type of workout


2015-05-21 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by Asalzwed
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Originally posted by popsracer

Originally posted by Asalzwed I had a really great workout last night. We rarely get to run 'fast ' but it was warm out so coach has us do reps. We were doing 400s, cutting down the pace from 88 to 84 over 9 reps. I was feeling good and coach moved me to the faster group. I was even able to exceed that a little and did the middle reps around 82 then move into 80, 79,78 to finish with 12 reps instead of just 9. With no pressing races on the calendar it was a good time to let er rip. I was surprised to see speed developing a little when my focus is very strength focused.

That's pretty blazing fast.  I do find that interesting that with the strength focus you surpassed your speed expectations.  Unfortunately, I held closer to conventional wisdom last night and the extra strength I've worked on did not translate to additional speed.  I changed my weekly 3 mile tempo run to 6 x800.  I felt strong but the leg speed was not there.  I've ramped up my cycling too and that always seems to have a negative effect on my speed.  I think I'll start adding an R pace session periodically so my legs start regaining some memory of a semblance of speed.   

Since "strength" is applied to almost everything nowadays (making the term almost useless as a descriptor), what difference in the strength work did each of you have? Adrienne, I think you run hard on some hills?

With the exception of Saturday, no, not really. My hills have been in the fom of actual mountain racing (hard effort but closer to threshold effort as they have been hour ish races) and long hill sessions, more sustained paces over longer distances. I've done a few post workout sessions but not regularly. Which is why I am surprised
If you file all that under "strength" of some sort then is what I asking about. Sort of remembering that for you strength running was getting onto hills in some fashion. And I'm thinking that might have been the difference in what you and Steve had seen. Have you heard the expression "hills are speed work in disguise"?

My "strength" work has been fairly similar to Adrienne's although not as much racing (a few) but more long grinding ascents of 1,000 to 2,000 ft. gain.  I think of it as gaining torque vs. horsepower.  I think it is a good base to adapt some speedwork into which I'll do cautiously and gradually.  I think hills as speed work in disguise is valid if you are doing the supporting quality work which I've limited in pursuits of my HIM coming up.  I also think shorter more intense hill repeats serve speed better than the grinding I've done.  Most of the trail races around here have long sustained climbs thus the focus there (specificity of training). 

2015-05-21 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by popsracer

Originally posted by Asalzwed I had a really great workout last night. We rarely get to run 'fast ' but it was warm out so coach has us do reps. We were doing 400s, cutting down the pace from 88 to 84 over 9 reps. I was feeling good and coach moved me to the faster group. I was even able to exceed that a little and did the middle reps around 82 then move into 80, 79,78 to finish with 12 reps instead of just 9. With no pressing races on the calendar it was a good time to let er rip. I was surprised to see speed developing a little when my focus is very strength focused.

That's pretty blazing fast.  I do find that interesting that with the strength focus you surpassed your speed expectations.  Unfortunately, I held closer to conventional wisdom last night and the extra strength I've worked on did not translate to additional speed.  I changed my weekly 3 mile tempo run to 6 x800.  I felt strong but the leg speed was not there.  I've ramped up my cycling too and that always seems to have a negative effect on my speed.  I think I'll start adding an R pace session periodically so my legs start regaining some memory of a semblance of speed.   

Since "strength" is applied to almost everything nowadays (making the term almost useless as a descriptor), what difference in the strength work did each of you have? Adrienne, I think you run hard on some hills?

With the exception of Saturday, no, not really. My hills have been in the fom of actual mountain racing (hard effort but closer to threshold effort as they have been hour ish races) and long hill sessions, more sustained paces over longer distances. I've done a few post workout sessions but not regularly. Which is why I am surprised
If you file all that under "strength" of some sort then is what I asking about. Sort of remembering that for you strength running was getting onto hills in some fashion. And I'm thinking that might have been the difference in what you and Steve had seen. Have you heard the expression "hills are speed work in disguise"?

yeah, I understand the hill work is filed under quality but no specificity to say, fast turnover or simply operating at von max. I don't expect I'm getting slower or anything, just surprised I can do r pace faster than my previous highest vdot dictates

Time for a new vdot.

2015-05-21 12:00 PM
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ALright, as I was doing my hair pondering the discussion of speed and strength I came up with this :

 

In my head I almost see speed and strength as opposites. Ideally, you want to be both but the event or your "A" race kind of determines the balance. I see speed as a high turnover, lightness, efficiency and economy. When I think of strength I see more "hard" running, grit, power up hills...like low end torque.

Then I start thinking of the kinds of runners I think of when I think of speed, and when I think of strength. And that's when my ideas, at least as they sit in the "traditional" sense, fall apart.

Because I see speed as

 and 

 

and when I think of strength I think of

 and  

 

 

 

Sooooooooo.....I guess I am azzbackwards?

2015-05-21 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by popsracer

Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by popsracer

Originally posted by Asalzwed I had a really great workout last night. We rarely get to run 'fast ' but it was warm out so coach has us do reps. We were doing 400s, cutting down the pace from 88 to 84 over 9 reps. I was feeling good and coach moved me to the faster group. I was even able to exceed that a little and did the middle reps around 82 then move into 80, 79,78 to finish with 12 reps instead of just 9. With no pressing races on the calendar it was a good time to let er rip. I was surprised to see speed developing a little when my focus is very strength focused.

That's pretty blazing fast.  I do find that interesting that with the strength focus you surpassed your speed expectations.  Unfortunately, I held closer to conventional wisdom last night and the extra strength I've worked on did not translate to additional speed.  I changed my weekly 3 mile tempo run to 6 x800.  I felt strong but the leg speed was not there.  I've ramped up my cycling too and that always seems to have a negative effect on my speed.  I think I'll start adding an R pace session periodically so my legs start regaining some memory of a semblance of speed.   

Since "strength" is applied to almost everything nowadays (making the term almost useless as a descriptor), what difference in the strength work did each of you have? Adrienne, I think you run hard on some hills?

With the exception of Saturday, no, not really. My hills have been in the fom of actual mountain racing (hard effort but closer to threshold effort as they have been hour ish races) and long hill sessions, more sustained paces over longer distances. I've done a few post workout sessions but not regularly. Which is why I am surprised
If you file all that under "strength" of some sort then is what I asking about. Sort of remembering that for you strength running was getting onto hills in some fashion. And I'm thinking that might have been the difference in what you and Steve had seen. Have you heard the expression "hills are speed work in disguise"?

My "strength" work has been fairly similar to Adrienne's although not as much racing (a few) but more long grinding ascents of 1,000 to 2,000 ft. gain.  I think of it as gaining torque vs. horsepower.  I think it is a good base to adapt some speedwork into which I'll do cautiously and gradually.  I think hills as speed work in disguise is valid if you are doing the supporting quality work which I've limited in pursuits of my HIM coming up.  I also think shorter more intense hill repeats serve speed better than the grinding I've done.  Most of the trail races around here have long sustained climbs thus the focus there (specificity of training). 

Heh, so, we did both use the idea of torque.

2015-05-21 1:00 PM
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I thought strength work was squats and deadlifts


2015-05-21 1:04 PM
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Originally posted by popsracer

Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by popsracer

Originally posted by Asalzwed I had a really great workout last night. We rarely get to run 'fast ' but it was warm out so coach has us do reps. We were doing 400s, cutting down the pace from 88 to 84 over 9 reps. I was feeling good and coach moved me to the faster group. I was even able to exceed that a little and did the middle reps around 82 then move into 80, 79,78 to finish with 12 reps instead of just 9. With no pressing races on the calendar it was a good time to let er rip. I was surprised to see speed developing a little when my focus is very strength focused.

That's pretty blazing fast.  I do find that interesting that with the strength focus you surpassed your speed expectations.  Unfortunately, I held closer to conventional wisdom last night and the extra strength I've worked on did not translate to additional speed.  I changed my weekly 3 mile tempo run to 6 x800.  I felt strong but the leg speed was not there.  I've ramped up my cycling too and that always seems to have a negative effect on my speed.  I think I'll start adding an R pace session periodically so my legs start regaining some memory of a semblance of speed.   

Since "strength" is applied to almost everything nowadays (making the term almost useless as a descriptor), what difference in the strength work did each of you have? Adrienne, I think you run hard on some hills?

With the exception of Saturday, no, not really. My hills have been in the fom of actual mountain racing (hard effort but closer to threshold effort as they have been hour ish races) and long hill sessions, more sustained paces over longer distances. I've done a few post workout sessions but not regularly. Which is why I am surprised
If you file all that under "strength" of some sort then is what I asking about. Sort of remembering that for you strength running was getting onto hills in some fashion. And I'm thinking that might have been the difference in what you and Steve had seen. Have you heard the expression "hills are speed work in disguise"?

yeah, I understand the hill work is filed under quality but no specificity to say, fast turnover or simply operating at von max. I don't expect I'm getting slower or anything, just surprised I can do r pace faster than my previous highest vdot dictates

Time for a new vdot.

I would love that! But I feel like I need to prove it in a race. Perhaps the workout was enough but it seems like cheating! 

 

 

2015-05-21 1:04 PM
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Originally posted by Jet Black I thought strength work was squats and deadlifts

Haha well, you're not wrong!

 

2015-05-21 1:08 PM
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I have thought a lot about this since studying JD, training with a purpose, and specific physical adaptations from different types of training sessions.  And I do view strength and speed in running as somewhat mutually exclusive.  Speedwork alone will not make you a strong runner capable of trail racing and hill/trail training alone will not necessary give you great footspeed for say a road 5k or the track.

My training phases have really centered on one or the other without a lot of intertwining of the two.  This was geared towards specificity of training.  I had limited time to run so when I was looking at some of the trail races in the early spring my "quality" sessions were mostly climbs.  Last early fall, I was looking at some road races so was following JD 5k- 15k plan which was mostly speed/interval stuff.  Maybe when I get past my HIM or in the early Fall I'll see if I can incorporate both into my running.  Not enough sessions available in the week now with swimming and biking.

  

2015-05-21 1:12 PM
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Originally posted by popsracer

I have thought a lot about this since studying JD, training with a purpose, and specific physical adaptations from different types of training sessions.  And I do view strength and speed in running as somewhat mutually exclusive.  Speedwork alone will not make you a strong runner capable of trail racing and hill/trail training alone will not necessary give you great footspeed for say a road 5k or the track.

My training phases have really centered on one or the other without a lot of intertwining of the two.  This was geared towards specificity of training.  I had limited time to run so when I was looking at some of the trail races in the early spring my "quality" sessions were mostly climbs.  Last early fall, I was looking at some road races so was following JD 5k- 15k plan which was mostly speed/interval stuff.  Maybe when I get past my HIM or in the early Fall I'll see if I can incorporate both into my running.  Not enough sessions available in the week now with swimming and biking.

  

Yes. I think we see things pretty similarly.

 

2015-05-21 1:26 PM
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I would love that! But I feel like I need to prove it in a race. Perhaps the workout was enough but it seems like cheating! 

Yep, got to prove it in a race.  Sure you don't want to run 5000 on the track with the big guns?



2015-05-21 1:28 PM
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Originally posted by Asalzwed

I would love that! But I feel like I need to prove it in a race. Perhaps the workout was enough but it seems like cheating! 

Yep, got to prove it in a race.  Sure you don't want to run 5000 on the track with the big guns?

Well that's not really true, JD says you can increase after 6 weeks. 

I can't. Females need a 16:10 or faster to qualify for the elite race. I would have to compete in the open race.

I am heavily considering running the mile though. Like 90%

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I'm following the BarryP (of slowtwitch) plan now, which is basically run more (run more frequently at a slower pace so you can run more miles). Build your weekly mileage until you're 12-16 weeks out from your A race. Then replace one of your medium distance runs with a threshold workout a week. When 6-8 weeks out replace the other medium distance run with race pace intervals plus some speed work if you want.

I'm only a few weeks into the base phase, so we'll see how it goes. But so far so good. Feeling more like a runner for sure.

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Originally posted by popsracer

Originally posted by Asalzwed

I would love that! But I feel like I need to prove it in a race. Perhaps the workout was enough but it seems like cheating! 

Yep, got to prove it in a race.  Sure you don't want to run 5000 on the track with the big guns?

Well that's not really true, JD says you can increase after 6 weeks. 

I can't. Females need a 16:10 or faster to qualify for the elite race. I would have to compete in the open race.

I am heavily considering running the mile though. Like 90%

I probably got that from Dale not JD.

Any mile time predictions or do you prefer to keep that to yourself?

2015-05-21 1:40 PM
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Originally posted by Asalzwed

Originally posted by popsracer

Originally posted by Asalzwed

I would love that! But I feel like I need to prove it in a race. Perhaps the workout was enough but it seems like cheating! 

Yep, got to prove it in a race.  Sure you don't want to run 5000 on the track with the big guns?

Well that's not really true, JD says you can increase after 6 weeks. 

I can't. Females need a 16:10 or faster to qualify for the elite race. I would have to compete in the open race.

I am heavily considering running the mile though. Like 90%

What's making you hesitate?

2015-05-21 1:41 PM
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Originally posted by Jet Black I'm following the BarryP (of slowtwitch) plan now, which is basically run more (run more frequently at a slower pace so you can run more miles). Build your weekly mileage until you're 12-16 weeks out from your A race. Then replace one of your medium distance runs with a threshold workout a week. When 6-8 weeks out replace the other medium distance run with race pace intervals plus some speed work if you want. I'm only a few weeks into the base phase, so we'll see how it goes. But so far so good. Feeling more like a runner for sure.

I always liked the simplicity of BarryP. Glad you are doing it



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Originally posted by popsracer

Originally posted by Asalzwed

Originally posted by popsracer

Originally posted by Asalzwed

I would love that! But I feel like I need to prove it in a race. Perhaps the workout was enough but it seems like cheating! 

Yep, got to prove it in a race.  Sure you don't want to run 5000 on the track with the big guns?

Well that's not really true, JD says you can increase after 6 weeks. 

I can't. Females need a 16:10 or faster to qualify for the elite race. I would have to compete in the open race.

I am heavily considering running the mile though. Like 90%

I probably got that from Dale not JD.

Any mile time predictions or do you prefer to keep that to yourself?

Hmmmm. I think my goal would be to go under 5:40. I think I am capable of closer to 5:30.

2015-05-21 1:46 PM
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Originally posted by Asalzwed

Originally posted by popsracer

Originally posted by Asalzwed

I would love that! But I feel like I need to prove it in a race. Perhaps the workout was enough but it seems like cheating! 

Yep, got to prove it in a race.  Sure you don't want to run 5000 on the track with the big guns?

Well that's not really true, JD says you can increase after 6 weeks. 

I can't. Females need a 16:10 or faster to qualify for the elite race. I would have to compete in the open race.

I am heavily considering running the mile though. Like 90%

What's making you hesitate?

A couple things. The biggest  being getting an actual quality session in. A mile will be hard yes, but it's not really going to provide any adaptations. If I did a workout the day before, it would leave me pretty tired for the race and I bet I am going to be really, really sore, so doing it the next day isn't really an option. So I will have to see if my coach has any ideas.

And I am not being overly anal...I don't mind missing a session here and there, I am just prioritizing my preparation for Nationals and I would like to consistently have 2 quality sessions a week. 

Second, Kara Goucher and Lauren Fleshman (and all their fans) are going to be there and suffering my way to a 5:38 last place mile finish is kind of embarrassing given the company.

2015-05-21 1:52 PM
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Originally posted by Asalzwed

Originally posted by Jet Black I thought strength work was squats and deadlifts

Haha well, you're not wrong!

 

That would be my preference. "Strength" has little meaning any more as so many have expanded its use to include just about everything.

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Originally posted by popsracer

Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by Asalzwed
Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by popsracer

Originally posted by Asalzwed I had a really great workout last night. We rarely get to run 'fast ' but it was warm out so coach has us do reps. We were doing 400s, cutting down the pace from 88 to 84 over 9 reps. I was feeling good and coach moved me to the faster group. I was even able to exceed that a little and did the middle reps around 82 then move into 80, 79,78 to finish with 12 reps instead of just 9. With no pressing races on the calendar it was a good time to let er rip. I was surprised to see speed developing a little when my focus is very strength focused.

That's pretty blazing fast.  I do find that interesting that with the strength focus you surpassed your speed expectations.  Unfortunately, I held closer to conventional wisdom last night and the extra strength I've worked on did not translate to additional speed.  I changed my weekly 3 mile tempo run to 6 x800.  I felt strong but the leg speed was not there.  I've ramped up my cycling too and that always seems to have a negative effect on my speed.  I think I'll start adding an R pace session periodically so my legs start regaining some memory of a semblance of speed.   

Since "strength" is applied to almost everything nowadays (making the term almost useless as a descriptor), what difference in the strength work did each of you have? Adrienne, I think you run hard on some hills?

With the exception of Saturday, no, not really. My hills have been in the fom of actual mountain racing (hard effort but closer to threshold effort as they have been hour ish races) and long hill sessions, more sustained paces over longer distances. I've done a few post workout sessions but not regularly. Which is why I am surprised
If you file all that under "strength" of some sort then is what I asking about. Sort of remembering that for you strength running was getting onto hills in some fashion. And I'm thinking that might have been the difference in what you and Steve had seen. Have you heard the expression "hills are speed work in disguise"?

My "strength" work has been fairly similar to Adrienne's although not as much racing (a few) but more long grinding ascents of 1,000 to 2,000 ft. gain.  I think of it as gaining torque vs. horsepower.  I think it is a good base to adapt some speedwork into which I'll do cautiously and gradually.  I think hills as speed work in disguise is valid if you are doing the supporting quality work which I've limited in pursuits of my HIM coming up.  I also think shorter more intense hill repeats serve speed better than the grinding I've done.  Most of the trail races around here have long sustained climbs thus the focus there (specificity of training). 

Heh, so, we did both use the idea of torque.

When you are moving there is a time element involved and power would be the relevant term. Adrienne, you can't run away from this.

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Originally posted by popsracer

Originally posted by Asalzwed

I would love that! But I feel like I need to prove it in a race. Perhaps the workout was enough but it seems like cheating! 

Yep, got to prove it in a race.  Sure you don't want to run 5000 on the track with the big guns?

Well that's not really true, JD says you can increase after 6 weeks. 

I can't. Females need a 16:10 or faster to qualify for the elite race. I would have to compete in the open race.

I am heavily considering running the mile though. Like 90%

Yeah, if you've been doing well with the workouts it tends to be safe to do so. It's not actually necessary to race though that's likely to give a decent picture. Being in one helps people to really give their best effort. Some people ... aren't so honest with themselves and might add like 4 points. Or forget how much they missed or the number of quality runs they back off on, etc. Should have a decent idea already just from how the workouts are going.



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Everyone got some exciting stuff going on  for the long weekend?

Oh you doth toy with me, no long weekend here, yet. Edit: out of jealousy I just checked the calendar to find out when our next one is and HAPPY DANCE it's next weekend

Oh good. I'll be over for the sausage sizzle then (I finally figured out that's what you people call a barbecue)

On day 5 of nothing but tiny bites of cracker, rice, banana, white bread. Yesterday I added in a little bit of boiled chicken as well. That and electrolyte beverages are all I can handle right now (and sometimes not even then).

again huge thanks to everyone who checked in on me and supports me.

For those who don't know I'm being wiped out by, in my tradition of unspellable illnesses, amoebic dysentery.

Sadly it isn't even a beginning boost to racing weight since I've GAINED 2kg in the last week. (Not bloat--that's from gas--actually I'm a little bit dehydrated). Metabolism is way out of wonk. Actually, all systems are.

Back to Australia June 3rd, can't come soon enough, will fly to Jakarta as soon as I'm able to start citizenship application at the German embassy.


So just to confuse you even more most Australian's would say "do you wanna come round for a barbee?" A sausage sizzle is a large scale barbee often used as a fundraiser where you pay a couple of bucks for a sausage in bread with sauce (if it's really fancy you'll get onions too). We would love to have you come but it can't be for a barbee because we don't own one (shhhhh don't tell anyone they might throw us out of the country).

So glad you are moving on the moving, but why Germany? Is that because it's easier than Australia with your mum being from there?
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And there's me thinking a sausage sizzler was some kind of adult toy.
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Darren - no comment (or at least none that I can write here). 

Ben, your comment on strength really resonated.  It's funny how even one's own consideration of the term can change.  Initially (as in, when I was younger), I thought of it along the lines of Sean's somewhat tongue in cheek comment (perfectly valid, of course).  Then it came to mean being able to hold a redline pace in a 5k to 10k distance race.  Now, in MY head currently (a scary place), it is more about work that translates into being able to hold pace through the HM at the end of HIM and not crump at mile 9.  But that's really only because that territory is new to me, I think, and "strength" work is what can get me further into the cave successfully...

I suppose that the next evolution of "strength" will be a longer course, as I'm getting only more grey/bald and it seems that longer vs. faster with age is the common progression...  Maybe.  Maybe not.

However, I think it's tough to use the word without a somewhat crazy amount of explanation anymore, as the above demonstrates the definitional difference within one person over only a decade or so (to Ben's original observation).

I now use terms more like "muscular endurance" to describe what "feels" like strength work in my current regime.  But that's just one approach.

Any thoughts on a better classification of the different types of work?  Even "speed work" is fraught on many levels...

OK - no more procrastinating and back to work (wow, these late nights are keeeeeling me!).

Matt

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Subject: RE: Mad Manatees 2015.3 CLOSED (or Poptarts? Pet pics?)

Originally posted by Richardsdrr And there's me thinking a sausage sizzler was some kind of adult toy.

I don't know if the obligatory follow-up post is quite safe enough. Adrienne, Kirsten?

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