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2015-12-10 10:21 AM
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Subject: RE: Stuck at 2:30 pace...
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Originally posted by mike761

most high school swimmers will do 5,000 to 10,000 a day depending on their level and what the practice intent is.

I don't bother going to the pool unless I have enough time to put in 2,000 yards or more(45 minutes min.)


Firstly, I am 47.... (just saying.... since you mentioned high school )

So basically I should be swimming more. OK. But presently I doubt I could do 2K in good form. So would you say even still, do 2K but in 50s and 100s? Or stick with the 1K till I am 2:15-2:00 and then do more?



My point to this was 1000 yards is not much, many people say they swim X times a week but are not actually doing much. ( age is irrelevant- were in the same age group)

I just looked at your video and your technique is not that bad. Others have jumped on you about a lot of stuff, but it is not as bad as what most have said.

Body position is the foundation of the stroke and yours is not too bad.
try to get your elbow a little higher on the recovery
your hand enters the water too late, almost flat with no extension after it enters. Make your fingertips enter first and finish your extension in the water.
your hand pulls and pushes the water to make you move. ("each action has an equal and opposite reaction") you hand should be pushing the water in the opposite direction of where you want to go.
Finish your stroke, your pulling out early.

Spend most of your time doing 25's,50's, 75's, or 100's.

Get your yardage up in each session. You will see a lot of progress by swimming more. You of coarse have to work your way up to that.

Here is what most people don't get, you should be exhausted after a good swim work out. An hour of swimming should take a lot more out of you than an hour of biking or running.


one more thing- breathe! Your air should be exhausted under water so when you turn your had you are doing 1 thing breathing air in instead of 2(breathing out and in). take a breath every stroke if you want there is nothing wrong with that.

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2015-12-11 12:44 AM
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Subject: RE: Stuck at 2:30 pace...
Originally posted by Left Brain

Originally posted by AdventureBear No it probably indicates a lack of technique in streamlining or balancing, basically creating a lot of drag. THEN you bed powers to overcome the drag. For comparison (really not bragging here...LB will skewer me if I say this is fast) I'm a 47 year old woman recovering from a neck injury with nerve damage for the past 9 months. I've swum no more than maybe a dozen times since March and until 2 days ago my longest swim was 800 yards and I was wiped out after that. 2 days ago I did a mile in the pool, lots of rest. My 50s were all about 40 seconds and my 100s about 1:35-1:40. That's operating off pure muscle memory not strength (I have none) or fitness (9 months of only pT is far from tri specific fitness). If you can share a video we can offer tips

In 1983 I fractured my C4 and C5 vertebrae in a bike crash.......swimming was all I had and it was enough to bring me back.  Stay with it, I know well how miserable neck pain is.




I did not know that, fellow neck sufferer! Did you get a fusion? I"m trying to avoid one. So far so good! (fins crossed)
2015-12-11 12:50 AM
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Subject: RE: Stuck at 2:30 pace...
Originally posted by RedCorvette

Originally posted by AdventureBear "first move well, then move often" -Gray Cook, movement specialist "The only reason to swim more yards, is to have more repetitions of good movement" - Terry Laughlin. Swim coach So while swimming 2000 yds will eventually be better than swimming 1000yds per session, the main reason is not fitness, it's because you have twice as many opportunities to practice good movements. Same thing when you live from 2k to 3k per session...people think it's mainly fitness related, but I think it's bc you have 33% more opportunities to continue refining your stroke. Fitness will come. First move well, then move often.

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More wisdom from Suzanne.

I saw a piece about Nathan Adrian the other day,  Some of his competitors said the reason he was so good was that his form never broke down; his last stroke always looked as good as his first.  Yeah, he swims on a completely different plane than the rest of us and has put in  a gazillion laps in his career,  but the point is the same, that he doesn't try to out swim his ability to maintain good form.

There's nothing magic about swimming 2000 yds. or any other distance as long as you go to the pool with a plan.  Swimming is a process and requires patience.  It doesn't accomplish anything if you're just pounding out yds while reinforcing poor form.   Quality always trumps quantity.

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Thanks Mark. Your comment is similar to what Terry always says about his endurance swims (MIMS, EC Relay, Maui Channel, Gibraltar straight, etc etc...of those I think MIMS was the longest) which is that his 10,000th stroke is identical to his first stroke. Through his swim career he puts in a lot of yards. His outcome is speed, but his process is technique and skill at specific metrics. ie Swim descending 100s at 14-15-15-16 SPL <--the SPL limitation forces him to maintain excellent technique yet he is descending each set which creates metabolic stress/distraction. Holding technique in the face of fatigue. He's currently training to beat the Adirondack masters mens 60-65 100Free record of 1:06 SCY and using this type of strategy.

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