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2016-01-28 9:52 AM
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:D Shane making a good attempt at saving my Thursday from boredom.

Get him LB, go go.


2016-01-28 10:15 AM
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Subject: RE: Efficiency Losses on the Bike
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:D Shane making a good attempt at saving my Thursday from boredom.

Get him LB, go go.


If you want I can publish the study that shows that the overspeed stuff at incline reduces VO2max.
2016-01-28 10:41 AM
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Subject: RE: Efficiency Losses on the Bike

Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by Leegoocrap :D Shane making a good attempt at saving my Thursday from boredom. Get him LB, go go.
If you want I can publish the study that shows that the overspeed stuff at incline reduces VO2max.

By all means.

ETA: Actually interested in seeing what it says.



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2016-01-28 10:56 AM
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Subject: RE: Efficiency Losses on the Bike
Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by Leegoocrap :D Shane making a good attempt at saving my Thursday from boredom. Get him LB, go go.
If you want I can publish the study that shows that the overspeed stuff at incline reduces VO2max.

By all means.

ETA: Actually interested in seeing what it says.




indeed. Extended reading is always good.
2016-01-28 11:51 AM
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Subject: RE: Efficiency Losses on the Bike
Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by Leegoocrap :D Shane making a good attempt at saving my Thursday from boredom. Get him LB, go go.
If you want I can publish the study that shows that the overspeed stuff at incline reduces VO2max.

By all means.

ETA: Actually interested in seeing what it says.




will put in another thread

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2016-01-28 11:58 AM
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Subject: RE: Efficiency Losses on the Bike

Originally posted by mike761
Originally posted by JohnnyKay If you hold steady power, 200w for x time should be the same physical toll. 
I don't think I can agree with this statement. If you hold 200W for an hour on a 100°F day it will have more of a toll on you than doing the same thing on a 60°F day. Your body produces heat when it works and must transfer that heat to the environment which will happen more efficiently on a cooler day. Also on as Marq said the air density changes so on a cool day you pull in more oxygen when you take a breath on a cool day. If your talking about 5°-10°F difference the effects are minimal, but with larger differentials as well as changes in humidity there will be a difference.

Sorry.  My reply was specific to the changing wind question. Not temperature or other factors.



2016-01-29 12:54 PM
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I can't believe I missed this thread until now.

2016-01-29 1:28 PM
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Originally posted by axteraa

I can't believe I missed this thread until now.




Welcome to the party.
2016-01-29 4:22 PM
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Originally posted by axteraa

I can't believe I missed this thread until now.

Welcome to the party.

There is a run thread about to turn into a kickset debate.

2016-01-29 4:48 PM
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Subject: RE: Efficiency Losses on the Bike
Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by 3mar
Originally posted by axteraa

I can't believe I missed this thread until now.

Welcome to the party.

There is a run thread about to turn into a kickset debate.


Did you see the study that shows that the swimming is becoming less important in Olympic and Ironman racing ?


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2016-01-30 5:00 PM
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on a more serious note, great podcast here

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/cycling-time-trial-podcast/id829...


Andy Francioni does talk about testing.
He speaks briefly on the concept of testing outdoors. More to come in a future episode.



2016-01-30 5:09 PM
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Subject: RE: Efficiency Losses on the Bike

Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by 3mar
Originally posted by axteraa

I can't believe I missed this thread until now.

Welcome to the party.

There is a run thread about to turn into a kickset debate.

Did you see the study that shows that the swimming is becoming less important in Olympic and Ironman racing ?

the swim was never important in ironman racing.

in draft legal the swim is only important if you aren't good enough

2016-01-30 5:20 PM
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Subject: RE: Efficiency Losses on the Bike
Originally posted by dmiller5

Originally posted by marcag
Originally posted by brigby1

Originally posted by 3mar
Originally posted by axteraa

I can't believe I missed this thread until now.

Welcome to the party.

There is a run thread about to turn into a kickset debate.

Did you see the study that shows that the swimming is becoming less important in Olympic and Ironman racing ?

the swim was never important in ironman racing.

in draft legal the swim is only important if you aren't good enough




I was only half joking but since you are interested
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26808853?dopt=Abstract

"Across the years, in the Olympic distance, swimming contribution significantly decreased for females and males (r = 0.51 and 0.68, p < 0.001, respectively), while running increased for males (r = 0.33, p = 0.014)."


BTW, when was the last time you saw amateurs doing draft legal Oly ?

And for the record, I am working my buns off on the swim with next Masters meet Feb 21st.



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2016-02-05 11:43 AM
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this is to dsitract 3mar so he doesn't raise too much $hit in his other thread.

I took part of step1 in a 2 step phase of getting Lionel Sanders fitted and aero tested. There is a little write up in our mentor group here
http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp...

(if you want, you can addcomments here, since over there is for the group members)



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Subject: RE: Efficiency Losses on the Bike
Well, it worked.....

So in other news (half of which is related to this); I've got my FTP test next Wednesday and I'm having my first ever bike fit Friday. Exciting stuff!
2016-02-05 4:37 PM
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Subject: RE: Efficiency Losses on the Bike
Originally posted by marcag

this is to dsitract 3mar so he doesn't raise too much $hit in his other thread.

I took part of step1 in a 2 step phase of getting Lionel Sanders fitted and aero tested. There is a little write up in our mentor group here
http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp...

(if you want, you can addcomments here, since over there is for the group members)




careful... people won't believe you if you tell them they can ride a bike without being at 90° and supporting themselves on the skeleton...


2016-02-05 4:50 PM
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Subject: RE: Efficiency Losses on the Bike
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careful... people won't believe you if you tell them they can ride a bike without being at 90° and supporting themselves on the skeleton...


Well, I do enjoy learning who doesn't really understand anatomy.

Shane
2016-02-08 9:16 AM
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Subject: RE: Efficiency Losses on the Bike
Originally posted by 3mar

Well, it worked.....

So in other news (half of which is related to this); I've got my FTP test next Wednesday and I'm having my first ever bike fit Friday. Exciting stuff!


3mar,

Here's an example of using GC on a race file with wind in the picture
http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp...

It's a closed group so please don't post in it, but it's a good example and a starting point for people wanting to test.
2016-02-08 9:37 AM
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Subject: RE: Efficiency Losses on the Bike
Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by 3mar

Well, it worked.....

So in other news (half of which is related to this); I've got my FTP test next Wednesday and I'm having my first ever bike fit Friday. Exciting stuff!


3mar,

Here's an example of using GC on a race file with wind in the picture
http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp...

It's a closed group so please don't post in it, but it's a good example and a starting point for people wanting to test.


I only have my work laptop that I am not able to download programs on. I'm assuming this isn't available on an ipad/iphone app. I really don't use a computer for anything oustide of work (or anything outside of work that required downloading software anyway), so I haven't had the need to purchase one. There are a couple of triathlon related programs that would be nice, but it hasn't been enough to pull the trigger.
2016-02-08 10:51 AM
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Subject: RE: Efficiency Losses on the Bike
Originally posted by 3mar

Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by 3mar

Well, it worked.....

So in other news (half of which is related to this); I've got my FTP test next Wednesday and I'm having my first ever bike fit Friday. Exciting stuff!


3mar,

Here's an example of using GC on a race file with wind in the picture
http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp...

It's a closed group so please don't post in it, but it's a good example and a starting point for people wanting to test.


I only have my work laptop that I am not able to download programs on. I'm assuming this isn't available on an ipad/iphone app. I really don't use a computer for anything oustide of work (or anything outside of work that required downloading software anyway), so I haven't had the need to purchase one. There are a couple of triathlon related programs that would be nice, but it hasn't been enough to pull the trigger.


[pink on] Well, you should worry less about the dopers, get yourself a computer and legally aerodope yourself to 20 or 30 watts[pink off]
2016-02-08 11:23 AM
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Subject: RE: Efficiency Losses on the Bike
Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by 3mar

Originally posted by marcag

Originally posted by 3mar

Well, it worked.....

So in other news (half of which is related to this); I've got my FTP test next Wednesday and I'm having my first ever bike fit Friday. Exciting stuff!


3mar,

Here's an example of using GC on a race file with wind in the picture
http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp...

It's a closed group so please don't post in it, but it's a good example and a starting point for people wanting to test.


I only have my work laptop that I am not able to download programs on. I'm assuming this isn't available on an ipad/iphone app. I really don't use a computer for anything oustide of work (or anything outside of work that required downloading software anyway), so I haven't had the need to purchase one. There are a couple of triathlon related programs that would be nice, but it hasn't been enough to pull the trigger.


[pink on] Well, you should worry less about the dopers, get yourself a computer and legally aerodope yourself to 20 or 30 watts[pink off]


One thing at a time....I'm finally getting around to a bike fit.

But speaking of buying things; it seems as though the sleeved tri-suits (like the one pictured) are the thing to have. Have you found they live up to the hype in aerodynamics? I typically don't like anything with sleeves due to feeling restricted while swimming, but if it could give me an advantage on the bike, I'd take it. Also, the new rules came out that sleeved tri suits are legal for non-wetsuit IM events.


2016-02-08 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by 3mar

One thing at a time....I'm finally getting around to a bike fit.

But speaking of buying things; it seems as though the sleeved tri-suits (like the one pictured) are the thing to have. Have you found they live up to the hype in aerodynamics? I typically don't like anything with sleeves due to feeling restricted while swimming, but if it could give me an advantage on the bike, I'd take it. Also, the new rules came out that sleeved tri suits are legal for non-wetsuit IM events.


I wrote this about 20 posts up. I stand by it. It's huge

Originally posted by marcag
Unfortunately, people are leaving lots of time on the table by making bad clothing decisions
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