Technical Training Question
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2016-04-06 11:51 AM |
Veteran 353 41° 4' 36" N 71° 56' 10" W | Subject: Technical Training Question Let's say you've had a complete work up on your VO2 max, were hooked up to the monitors and meters for a complete workout, and know all your numbers. To what extent is this just an indication of your inherent capabilities? What data is actually useful for endurance training for a non pro athlete? |
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2016-04-08 6:13 PM in reply to: JohnP_NY |
Veteran 353 41° 4' 36" N 71° 56' 10" W | Subject: RE: Technical Training Question Anybody? Anyone else get a test like this? I got one when I returned from surgery to training. The doctors knew I was into this endurance thing and they wanted to see my heart lung and other functions at rest and then pushed to the max. They looked at my O2 exchange, breath rates, heart rate, blood pressure and EKG at various stages. I think they even took blood. I got pages of results. I only wish I could find someone who could help me use it. At some point I might go for a follow up test. |
2016-04-08 6:52 PM in reply to: JohnP_NY |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Technical Training Question It all depends on the numbers they gave you. Did they do it for the run or the bike ? From the numbers that can give you your training zones and your relative strengths and weakness. But i all depends on the numbers they gave you and the quality of the protocols and equipment they used. It can be extremely insightful but done wrong can be useless. |
2016-04-08 10:22 PM in reply to: #5175775 |
370 , North Carolina | Subject: RE: Technical Training Question A lot of the tests that triathletes do are to calculate their VO2 max, lactate threshold, aerobic threshold. If you have the actual testing data you can use that to build a training plan for running and biking. |
2016-04-12 9:55 AM in reply to: marcag |
Veteran 353 41° 4' 36" N 71° 56' 10" W | Subject: RE: Technical Training Question Originally posted by marcag It all depends on the numbers they gave you. Did they do it for the run or the bike ? From the numbers that can give you your training zones and your relative strengths and weakness. But i all depends on the numbers they gave you and the quality of the protocols and equipment they used. It can be extremely insightful but done wrong can be useless. I'm hoping the quality of the protocols was very good. It was at the Mayo Clinic with a team that works on exercise physiology. I think it was called the Exercise Physiology Lab . I was on a treadmill where they increased the speed and incline until fully exhausted. I guess it went between 20 minutes and a half hour. Before it started they did a full assessment at rest. After the test they assessed my recovery. I was hooked up to a breathing device the whole time. I think they looked at breath rate, changes in breath rate, and O2 / CO2 exchange. Volume of exchange. They looked at heart rate at each level Blood pressure at each level I was hooked up to an EKG where they looked at heart electrical function at each stage They may have taken blood to check on O2 content at exercise, I don't remember My take is that there are some aspects of aerobic fitness or capability that are inherited, and some that can be enhanced with specific training. That's the part I don't know In the old days they might say 'he's got the lungs but not the legs" |
2016-04-12 10:00 AM in reply to: Nick B |
Veteran 353 41° 4' 36" N 71° 56' 10" W | Subject: RE: Technical Training Question Originally posted by Nick B A lot of the tests that triathletes do are to calculate their VO2 max, lactate threshold, aerobic threshold. If you have the actual testing data you can use that to build a training plan for running and biking. Yes pretty sure they calculated those numbers. |
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2016-04-12 10:18 AM in reply to: #5176236 |
Coach 9167 Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: Technical Training Question The best data would be your ventilatory threshold , anaerobic or lactate threshold which can be graphed and extrapolated from that data.you basically need an exercise physiologist who is also familiar with endurance teainjng( not all are) to make sense of it, or a coach with some background in ex phys |
2016-04-12 1:57 PM in reply to: AdventureBear |
Veteran 353 41° 4' 36" N 71° 56' 10" W | Subject: RE: Technical Training Question Originally posted by AdventureBear The best data would be your ventilatory threshold , anaerobic or lactate threshold which can be graphed and extrapolated from that data.you basically need an exercise physiologist who is also familiar with endurance teainjng( not all are) to make sense of it, or a coach with some background in ex phys Yes thanks. I know there are triathlon coaches and trainers out there. But is there any training or certification where someone gets adequate training in this type of stuff? Or is this subject matter reserved for someone who went to med school ? |
2016-04-12 2:20 PM in reply to: JohnP_NY |
370 , North Carolina | Subject: RE: Technical Training Question If you know your Lactate Threshold you can then start to build a plan based on that. The one from Friel has the zones set as: Zone 1 Less than 85% of LTHR Zone 2 85% to 89% of LTHR Zone 3 90% to 94% of LTHR Zone 4 95% to 99% of LTHR Zone 5a 100% to 102% of LTHR Zone 5b 103% to 106% of LTHR Zone 5c More than 106% of LTHR So if your LTHR was 162 Zone 1 <138 Zone 2 138-144 Zone 3 146-152 Zone 4 154-160 Zone 5a 162-165 Zone 5b 167-172 Zone 5c >172 These zone correlate with his training plans and most of his writings. The nice thing about what you have is you have actual lab data. Most of the time people do not get the testing done due to expense. |
2016-04-12 2:28 PM in reply to: JohnP_NY |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Technical Training Question Originally posted by JohnP_NY Originally posted by AdventureBear The best data would be your ventilatory threshold , anaerobic or lactate threshold which can be graphed and extrapolated from that data.you basically need an exercise physiologist who is also familiar with endurance teainjng( not all are) to make sense of it, or a coach with some background in ex phys Yes thanks. I know there are triathlon coaches and trainers out there. But is there any training or certification where someone gets adequate training in this type of stuff? Or is this subject matter reserved for someone who went to med school ? You could pick up an exercise physiology textbook or keep an eye open for something like this: https://www.coursera.org/course/exphys Shane |
2016-04-12 6:06 PM in reply to: JohnP_NY |
Extreme Veteran 5722 | Subject: RE: Technical Training Question Originally posted by JohnP_NY Originally posted by AdventureBear The best data would be your ventilatory threshold , anaerobic or lactate threshold which can be graphed and extrapolated from that data.you basically need an exercise physiologist who is also familiar with endurance teainjng( not all are) to make sense of it, or a coach with some background in ex phys Yes thanks. I know there are triathlon coaches and trainers out there. But is there any training or certification where someone gets adequate training in this type of stuff? Or is this subject matter reserved for someone who went to med school ? Any decent coach should know enough about physiology to interpret the results and turn them into information you can train with. With a little research you could probably do it yourself. It's not that complicated. I personally have done the tests 4 times. Once for medical reasons, twice because they were given to me and once for a research project. All 4 times I had different types of people explain me the results. |
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