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2017-07-14 10:48 AM
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Hey beer drinkers! I'm apparently taking a couple of rest days before my first sprint of the season tomorrow. I don't know why, but feeling a little out of it yesterday and today. Last night I slept 13 hours and could have rolled right back over and gone back to sleep at 10am when I woke up.

Wednesday was a great ride though. Headed out for an hour on a nice, straight, (what I thought was) pretty flat country road. There were some rolling hills, but nothing seemed too bad. I ride out 30 minutes and turned around to head back. That would be when I realized I was benefiting greatly from both a stiff tailwind and a slight, but fairly steady decline. The way home was a slog that took 43 min. It was fun though! Which is, last I checked, why I'm in this crazy life.


2017-07-14 11:07 AM
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Well then Andrew congratulations are in order!!  Welcome to the rest of your life as I like to tell any other new parents

Went through the same with my wife and the preeclamsyia, though thankfully without the ambulance ride!  We were at the hospital already when it was discovered so just got put up then and there.  Glad everything's back to normal!

Originally posted by bulfrog Hi Everyone, long time no see... Well if you look at my training log, you'll see I've become a sloth. Only 3 runs, for an hour and a quarter so far in the whole month. But there is a good reason for that, on Wednesday the 7th, my wife and I had a routine appointment with the obstetrician to start the final planning for the arrival of our baby, unfortunately (or fourtunately as it was found) my wifes blood pressure had spiked very, very high, so my wife got a ride in an ambulance, and we were sent off to hospital. Long story short she was diagnosed with preeclampsyia, and the next day (about 3 weeks early) gave birth to our new baby boy Oscar via cesarean. There have been a few complications caused by the preeclamsyia, and the c-section and she and Oscar were in hospital for almost 2 weeks, and unfortunately a visit back at the start of week 3. Baby has been healthy as a horse, the problems have been with mum. The good news is things seem to be settling down, we're all at home and settling into our new life, and mum is expected to make a full recovery over the next few months. It's been a wonderful, but very hard few weeks on all of us, and understandably my mind has been elsewhere. But like I said, we're home now, safe and sound, and starting to get into some sort of routine. So I'm looking forward to getting back into some kind of training as part of that routine. Only running in my immediate future, and only short runs spread around feeding and sleeping times. Hopefully by the end of the year I'll be feeling in some sort of shape to have a go at a half marathon, and next summer I'm hoping to be back doing 1 or 2 sprint tris. Until then I'll have to live vicariously through you guys. Hope all is well, and hope to be around more again. P.S. as for the beer drinkers appreciation side of it, sometimes beer just doesn't cut it, so Oscar was celebrated with a bottle of Mt Gay Extra Old rum... very nice.

2017-07-14 11:11 AM
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YES!!!  Congrats Ironman!!!

Originally posted by Juancho Thanks everyone!! Really happy with the experience, and the time! Beautiful swim, wonderful bike, and yes, the run ..... Finish line amazing, my wife and kids were volunteering to give medals so they were all there, fan-tas-tic! These days will send RR, best I can to today is send a couple pictures with the immediate recovery drink (Stiegl) Juan

2017-07-14 11:17 AM
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Sorry Gretchen this made me laugh out loud!  Especially since I'm not much of a lager guy (except pilseners which are apparently lagers - love a good Eastern European style pilsener)

Originally posted by drfoodlove It was pretty good--after I got past the first drink. At first sip I thought it was the worst ale I've ever tried!! Then I looked at the bottle and realize it was a lager. After I adjusted my expectations, is was pretty good.

2017-07-14 11:37 AM
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Haha!  Not laughing at your pain, rather with it.  My ride last weekend was the same way.  I went out and kept hearing my pace splits on MMR and thinking 'wow I'm doing great!' then the turnaround and the 2nd half home was just awful.  Still had a great overall average speed at least so I know the fitness is there.  That was my longest brick on the training plan - 50 min bike followed by 2 mile run.  The run was awful.  Felt like I was cranking at race pace for the effort needed, except was like 1:15 min/mi short of 5k race pace...

Originally posted by drfoodlove Wednesday was a great ride though. Headed out for an hour on a nice, straight, (what I thought was) pretty flat country road. There were some rolling hills, but nothing seemed too bad. I ride out 30 minutes and turned around to head back. That would be when I realized I was benefiting greatly from both a stiff tailwind and a slight, but fairly steady decline. The way home was a slog that took 43 min. It was fun though! Which is, last I checked, why I'm in this crazy life.

2017-07-14 12:00 PM
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I have been MIA for a bit!

Juan, those photos are super awesome! I will check out your RR soon! Glad to see so many people getting good training in. Nicole, sorry to hear about that fall. I actually have a fear of dogs off leash while I'm running (I had a bad experience with a Rottweiler as a child), so that would have been a whole other level.

Life has been pretty crazy for me. I start a new job in a little over a week and have been getting ready to start school again in September. Have also been trying to keep up with training and dating and just life in general.

Went for a run this morning. Intended on going 3-4 miles, but the boot camps I did the last 2 days made for VERY heavy legs, so I used it more as a recovery run. Masters tomorrow. I almost had to coach, but luckily they found someone else so I can still get a swim in.

Mike, how are you healing?! Should I expect to see you at a Masters practice soon?!



2017-07-14 12:12 PM
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Been MIA myself.  Mostly vacation.  Went 9 days eating and drinking way too much, and exercising too little.  Of course  Got my runs in, only managed one proper swim (though spent TONS of time in the water, never really swimming enough to get a heart rate up though), and had zero bike time.  Plenty of this though: 

 





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2017-07-14 12:40 PM
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BTW anyone looking for Juan's RR, it is public and it's here:

http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=547812&page=1&posts=6#M5224319

Congrats again Juan!!

2017-07-14 8:10 PM
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So the recovery from the bike crash has been....interesting.  Painful, for sure....but more to it than that.  I've always been super consistent with my training -- I make probably 99% of what's planned and rarely have "life get in the way" (I'm "fortunate" in that I'm single, no kids, and have a reasonably regular hour type job)....I've always been super passionate about my training and racing.  And all week, I haven't felt like doing crap....and I didn't even feel bad about not doing anything.  

I see so many people bounce back from crashes quickly and I, honestly, felt guilty that I wasn't bouncing back quickly and that I wasn't feeling bad about missing all of my training (to be fair, my coach put nothing on my schedule because of the crash).  I felt like the passion and the drive were gone and I wasn't sure if I was going to get it back.  I literally forced myself to get on the trainer last night to test things out.  I followed it up with a short run.  I felt no passion or desire to start....and nothing at the end.

I woke up this morning feeling similar, but forced myself to get on the trainer this afternoon....and then I wanted to do a short run.  And suddenly it was back.  So much that I've now registered for St. George 70.3 for next year

It's been a downer of a week, but I think I'm on the up swing again.  Now to figure out what to do about the bike situation....frame is cracked and Argon says not to ride it.  Highly doubtful the owner of the dog who caused me to crash will pony up the cash, so I have three options: 1) take him to court because we live in a very litigious society, 2) pay for a new frame myself, or 3) get the old P2 back in road-rideable condition and pull it off the trainer.  Sucks, but I'll figure it out.

2017-07-16 9:08 PM
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Originally posted by drfoodlove

Hey beer drinkers! I'm apparently taking a couple of rest days before my first sprint of the season tomorrow.


Hope the sprint went well. Looking forward to reading all about it.
2017-07-16 9:14 PM
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so I have three options: 1) take him to court because we live in a very litigious society, 2) pay for a new frame myself, or 3) get the old P2 back in road-rideable condition and pull it off the trainer.  Sucks, but I'll figure it out.




If it were me, I would be reinstating the trainer bike, so you can get back into it as soon as possible. A new frame, either brought by yourself, or from the dog owner can come later. But I don't see why you can't get the P2 up and running until one of those comes through.

Also do you have insurance on the bike? Mine is covered on my home and contents, surely you should be able to get a new frame out of them and let them chase the dog owner? At least that's how it would work down here.

Good to see your through to the other side of your funk, and wishing you the best outcome for your bike.


2017-07-17 8:41 AM
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Originally posted by ligersandtions
so I have three options: 1) take him to court because we live in a very litigious society, 2) pay for a new frame myself, or 3) get the old P2 back in road-rideable condition and pull it off the trainer.  Sucks, but I'll figure it out.




If it were me, I would be reinstating the trainer bike, so you can get back into it as soon as possible. A new frame, either brought by yourself, or from the dog owner can come later. But I don't see why you can't get the P2 up and running until one of those comes through.

Also do you have insurance on the bike? Mine is covered on my home and contents, surely you should be able to get a new frame out of them and let them chase the dog owner? At least that's how it would work down here.

Good to see your through to the other side of your funk, and wishing you the best outcome for your bike.


I'm with Andrew. I'd see what my insurance company could help me with (i.e. going after the home owner). My bike is covered under my homeowners policy. The actions of my dog are also covered, so the home owner should be responsible for your bike. Did you file a police report about the accident? You did, right? Good luck!!!
2017-07-17 8:50 AM
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Good Monday Morning, Beer Drinkers!!!

Race weekend!! I hit all my time goals and won my division. I call that a good day! I posted a race report, if anyone is interested (http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=547925). I was saddened to find out the RD for this race has what is probably terminal cancer. He is such a great guy, super supportive, etc. He puts on two great local races a year and I'm so sad to her that he isn't doing well. He has stage four colon cancer that spread to other organs and his lymph nodes. He was there, though, and just like always was cheering on every single athlete by name, even if he couldn't stand up.

After the tri I worked our masters team's annual swim meet as the head timer. I'd never been to a swim meet before in my life, so there was a lot of learning on the job. And add in the fact that one of my timers (12 yo daughter of one of our team) apparently has ADD and couldn't remember to start her watch, it was stressful and exhausting!

This morning: swim with masters. 2800m with a good mix of short/fast and med/moderate distance stuff.

This afternoon: 60' run and strength training. I'm toying with the idea of starting to add some speed work into my short runs of the week. I've been in a run base phase now for over six months with HM training last winter and exclusively run work while I was in Egypt. My plan doesn't call for any speed work for another two weeks, but I'm getting antsy and want to start now! I've never done any real speed work, so I'm thinking start very slow (ha!! slow speedwork!) and just a few reps at a time. Anyone including speed work in their runs? Suggested workouts?
2017-07-17 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by drfoodlove
Originally posted by bulfrog
Originally posted by ligersandtions so I have three options: 1) take him to court because we live in a very litigious society, 2) pay for a new frame myself, or 3) get the old P2 back in road-rideable condition and pull it off the trainer.  Sucks, but I'll figure it out.
If it were me, I would be reinstating the trainer bike, so you can get back into it as soon as possible. A new frame, either brought by yourself, or from the dog owner can come later. But I don't see why you can't get the P2 up and running until one of those comes through. Also do you have insurance on the bike? Mine is covered on my home and contents, surely you should be able to get a new frame out of them and let them chase the dog owner? At least that's how it would work down here. Good to see your through to the other side of your funk, and wishing you the best outcome for your bike.
I'm with Andrew. I'd see what my insurance company could help me with (i.e. going after the home owner). My bike is covered under my homeowners policy. The actions of my dog are also covered, so the home owner should be responsible for your bike. Did you file a police report about the accident? You did, right? Good luck!!!

Nicole - agree with everything above around making sure the owner is held accountable for his pet's actions.  My wife was bitten while on a bike tour a few years ago, and had a personal injury attorney handle the case and she received a settlement.  It wasn't like $100K or anything, but it paid for her trip.  The owner's HO or renter's insurance should cover it.

Glad you found your tri mojo.  Your body was probably just using that energy to heal. 

2017-07-17 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by nicole14e I have been MIA for a bit! Juan, those photos are super awesome! I will check out your RR soon! Glad to see so many people getting good training in. Nicole, sorry to hear about that fall. I actually have a fear of dogs off leash while I'm running (I had a bad experience with a Rottweiler as a child), so that would have been a whole other level. Life has been pretty crazy for me. I start a new job in a little over a week and have been getting ready to start school again in September. Have also been trying to keep up with training and dating and just life in general. Went for a run this morning. Intended on going 3-4 miles, but the boot camps I did the last 2 days made for VERY heavy legs, so I used it more as a recovery run. Masters tomorrow. I almost had to coach, but luckily they found someone else so I can still get a swim in. Mike, how are you healing?! Should I expect to see you at a Masters practice soon?!

I sit here knocking on my desk, the door frame, and my head (you know, knock on wood...), I feel like as I approach the six month mark I'm starting to feel better.  I'm biking to my heart's content and am limited by my fitness.  No running yet, though I'm hoping to do a little jogging starting in September.  Swimming is still slow going, so no Masters practice for me yet.  I'm up to about 2500 yards/week in two sessions so hopefully I'll have a couple of good weeks and be ready.

I'm going to see a pain management specialist this week to deal with the remaining nerve irritation.  Yay!  More needles!!! 

Happy World Emoji Day!!!! 

2017-07-17 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by drfoodlove Good Monday Morning, Beer Drinkers!!! Race weekend!! I hit all my time goals and won my division. I call that a good day! I posted a race report, if anyone is interested (http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=547925). I was saddened to find out the RD for this race has what is probably terminal cancer. He is such a great guy, super supportive, etc. He puts on two great local races a year and I'm so sad to her that he isn't doing well. He has stage four colon cancer that spread to other organs and his lymph nodes. He was there, though, and just like always was cheering on every single athlete by name, even if he couldn't stand up. After the tri I worked our masters team's annual swim meet as the head timer. I'd never been to a swim meet before in my life, so there was a lot of learning on the job. And add in the fact that one of my timers (12 yo daughter of one of our team) apparently has ADD and couldn't remember to start her watch, it was stressful and exhausting! This morning: swim with masters. 2800m with a good mix of short/fast and med/moderate distance stuff. This afternoon: 60' run and strength training. I'm toying with the idea of starting to add some speed work into my short runs of the week. I've been in a run base phase now for over six months with HM training last winter and exclusively run work while I was in Egypt. My plan doesn't call for any speed work for another two weeks, but I'm getting antsy and want to start now! I've never done any real speed work, so I'm thinking start very slow (ha!! slow speedwork!) and just a few reps at a time. Anyone including speed work in their runs? Suggested workouts?

RE:  Introducing speed work

I would highly recommend reading Jack Daniels' Running Formula...it has a really good (and very technical) discussion of how to set up a running training plan, and the "why" behind the structure. 

There are basically four stages in his plans:

Stage 1:  building neuromuscular and anaerobic speed, where you would start by just introducing some "pickups" or "strides" to your runs and progress to like 300-400 meter repeats

Stage 2:  building aerobic capacity (VO2 max), where you do longer intervals at roughly your 5K race pace (like 3-5 minutes at a time).  I won't lie - these suck. 

Stage 3:  threshold capacity (tempo runs), even longer intervals (starting with 10 minutes up to a half hour maybe) at roughly your 10K race pace.  These feel awesome.

Stage 4:  race-specific, so if you're looking to do an HM you'll be focusing on longer intervals that are maybe a little slower than your 10K pace, whereas for a 5K you'll be doing the sprint stuff and VO2 max work.

The length of the stages depends on the length of your plan, and the amount of work you do in each intervals session is determined/limited by your total weekly mileage.  IIRC it's 5% for Stage 1, 8% for stage 2, 10% for stage 3, so for instance if you're training for a HM and you're running 30 miles that week, you would have one of your runs incorporate 3 miles of tempo work, preferably all in one shot, but you could break it up like 3 x 1 mile with 1' jog recovery or something.

LSD running is great for building aerobic endurance and you will progress to a point, but you will never reach your potential as a runner unless you start to incorporate speed or interval work (albeit slowly and smartly).

 



2017-07-17 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by drfoodlove Good Monday Morning, Beer Drinkers!!! Race weekend!! I hit all my time goals and won my division. I call that a good day! I posted a race report, if anyone is interested (http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=547925). I was saddened to find out the RD for this race has what is probably terminal cancer. He is such a great guy, super supportive, etc. He puts on two great local races a year and I'm so sad to her that he isn't doing well. He has stage four colon cancer that spread to other organs and his lymph nodes. He was there, though, and just like always was cheering on every single athlete by name, even if he couldn't stand up. After the tri I worked our masters team's annual swim meet as the head timer. I'd never been to a swim meet before in my life, so there was a lot of learning on the job. And add in the fact that one of my timers (12 yo daughter of one of our team) apparently has ADD and couldn't remember to start her watch, it was stressful and exhausting! This morning: swim with masters. 2800m with a good mix of short/fast and med/moderate distance stuff. This afternoon: 60' run and strength training. I'm toying with the idea of starting to add some speed work into my short runs of the week. I've been in a run base phase now for over six months with HM training last winter and exclusively run work while I was in Egypt. My plan doesn't call for any speed work for another two weeks, but I'm getting antsy and want to start now! I've never done any real speed work, so I'm thinking start very slow (ha!! slow speedwork!) and just a few reps at a time. Anyone including speed work in their runs? Suggested workouts?

RE:  Introducing speed work

I would highly recommend reading Jack Daniels' Running Formula...it has a really good (and very technical) discussion of how to set up a running training plan, and the "why" behind the structure. 

There are basically four stages in his plans:

Stage 1:  building neuromuscular and anaerobic speed, where you would start by just introducing some "pickups" or "strides" to your runs and progress to like 300-400 meter repeats

Stage 2:  building aerobic capacity (VO2 max), where you do longer intervals at roughly your 5K race pace (like 3-5 minutes at a time).  I won't lie - these suck. 

Stage 3:  threshold capacity (tempo runs), even longer intervals (starting with 10 minutes up to a half hour maybe) at roughly your 10K race pace.  These feel awesome.

Stage 4:  race-specific, so if you're looking to do an HM you'll be focusing on longer intervals that are maybe a little slower than your 10K pace, whereas for a 5K you'll be doing the sprint stuff and VO2 max work.

The length of the stages depends on the length of your plan, and the amount of work you do in each intervals session is determined/limited by your total weekly mileage.  IIRC it's 5% for Stage 1, 8% for stage 2, 10% for stage 3, so for instance if you're training for a HM and you're running 30 miles that week, you would have one of your runs incorporate 3 miles of tempo work, preferably all in one shot, but you could break it up like 3 x 1 mile with 1' jog recovery or something.

LSD running is great for building aerobic endurance and you will progress to a point, but you will never reach your potential as a runner unless you start to incorporate speed or interval work (albeit slowly and smartly).

 




Thanks, Mike!!
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Wow - +1 to that thanks Mike!!

I've been doing speed work for a few seasons now, under Jeff Galloway's run/walk plan.  I use the $3 5k app (iOS only which is annoying).  The 5k plan is based on 3 runs/week, typically I do two of them - the speed work one day and the long run the other day.  The speed work is also 400m intervals.  I believe they're supposed to be at 5k race pace, so I run them for the 5k pace I want rather than the one I prove capable of lol.  Really I've done so many of them I can figure out how fast I can go and maintain for not only the 400m, but for however many of them I'm doing that day. 

2017-07-17 4:53 PM
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Originally posted by jmhpsu93

Originally posted by drfoodlove
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Originally posted by ligersandtions so I have three options: 1) take him to court because we live in a very litigious society, 2) pay for a new frame myself, or 3) get the old P2 back in road-rideable condition and pull it off the trainer.  Sucks, but I'll figure it out.
If it were me, I would be reinstating the trainer bike, so you can get back into it as soon as possible. A new frame, either brought by yourself, or from the dog owner can come later. But I don't see why you can't get the P2 up and running until one of those comes through. Also do you have insurance on the bike? Mine is covered on my home and contents, surely you should be able to get a new frame out of them and let them chase the dog owner? At least that's how it would work down here. Good to see your through to the other side of your funk, and wishing you the best outcome for your bike.
I'm with Andrew. I'd see what my insurance company could help me with (i.e. going after the home owner). My bike is covered under my homeowners policy. The actions of my dog are also covered, so the home owner should be responsible for your bike. Did you file a police report about the accident? You did, right? Good luck!!!

Nicole - agree with everything above around making sure the owner is held accountable for his pet's actions.  My wife was bitten while on a bike tour a few years ago, and had a personal injury attorney handle the case and she received a settlement.  It wasn't like $100K or anything, but it paid for her trip.  The owner's HO or renter's insurance should cover it.

Glad you found your tri mojo.  Your body was probably just using that energy to heal. 

Well, I talked to the homeowner today....and no surprise, he's not interested in paying $5k for my bike.  So I guess I'm going to have to go about this the hard way.  I also called my insurance agent....have no idea if his policy is the same, but if it were my dogs who caused the crash and it was not on my property, they are saying they would not be able to cover the damages, which seems like total BS to me.

So.....I guess I'll lawyer up.  It was clearly not my fault....I just hope that they can prove this, even though I don't have any witnesses or anything.  I spoke with the police officer (yes, I filed a report!) and he will be issuing the guy a ticket in person....he hadn't been able to get in touch with him until today, but finally did and will be issuing the ticket by the end of the week.

Current plan is to get the P2 back into rideable condition and ride it in the meantime.  That said, I'd be lying if I said I was itching to get back on the road.  But my coach is basically forcing me to do so by giving me a long ride that I really don't want to do on the trainer.  May need to find a different route, though, as the homeowner clearly is not interested in admitting fault and/or ensuring his dog stays in his yard. 

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Nicole - that really sucks, I'm sorry!  It is making me think though that I have no idea if my bike is covered under my homeowner's policy at all.  I believe if it's at home, and it's stolen, then it's covered.  Then again it may not be because I haven't told the insurance company I own a $3k MSRP bicycle so who knows...I need to look into this stuff!  I don't have a trainer bike if I crack my frame I don't ride any longer...

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Re: speed work.

Although it is true that we wont reach our potential without some sort of speed work, there is a lot of evidence out there that shows we can get very close to it (a lot closer than most of us are currently at) just by putting in lots and lots of easy miles. Increasing the volume is the key. An excellent resource on this is the BarryP plan from 'the other triathlon forum' found here: http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Fo...

Another link for you to look at is the mcmillian calculator here: https://www.mcmillanrunning.com/ This takes your recent race results and calculates some theoretical training paces, easy/recovery/tempo/intervals etc. Its a good guide to make sure that your hard efforts are hard enough, and your easy efforts not too hard for that matter.

That said, there are lots of different ways to go about it. And the truth is they all work, you just need to find what works for you.

One last point, speed work is fun. Running fast is fun. So don't let yourself get carried away, getting yourself injured by doing too much too soon is a good way to undo all the hard work. Remember speed work is the icing, its nice but its more important to bake the cake well, and that's lots of easy paced miles...


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Well, I talked to the homeowner today....and no surprise, he's not interested in paying $5k for my bike.  So I guess I'm going to have to go about this the hard way.  I also called my insurance agent....have no idea if his policy is the same, but if it were my dogs who caused the crash and it was not on my property, they are saying they would not be able to cover the damages, which seems like total BS to me.

So.....I guess I'll lawyer up.  It was clearly not my fault....I just hope that they can prove this, even though I don't have any witnesses or anything.  I spoke with the police officer (yes, I filed a report!) and he will be issuing the guy a ticket in person....he hadn't been able to get in touch with him until today, but finally did and will be issuing the ticket by the end of the week.

Current plan is to get the P2 back into rideable condition and ride it in the meantime.  That said, I'd be lying if I said I was itching to get back on the road.  But my coach is basically forcing me to do so by giving me a long ride that I really don't want to do on the trainer.  May need to find a different route, though, as the homeowner clearly is not interested in admitting fault and/or ensuring his dog stays in his yard. 




As a dog owner, I find irresponsible owners like this really me off.

Fortunately this time most of the damage was to your bike (I know it doesn't seem fortunate, but it could have been much worse) What if next time the dog gets out, its a little kid riding his bike that gets attacked...

If the owner wont even acknowledge that there is a problem with his dog getting out, then you need to go after him hard. Sometimes thats the only way people learn

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2017-07-18 8:39 AM
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Re: speed work.

Although it is true that we wont reach our potential without some sort of speed work, there is a lot of evidence out there that shows we can get very close to it (a lot closer than most of us are currently at) just by putting in lots and lots of easy miles. Increasing the volume is the key. An excellent resource on this is the BarryP plan from 'the other triathlon forum' found here: http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Fo...

Another link for you to look at is the mcmillian calculator here: https://www.mcmillanrunning.com/ This takes your recent race results and calculates some theoretical training paces, easy/recovery/tempo/intervals etc. Its a good guide to make sure that your hard efforts are hard enough, and your easy efforts not too hard for that matter.

That said, there are lots of different ways to go about it. And the truth is they all work, you just need to find what works for you.

One last point, speed work is fun. Running fast is fun. So don't let yourself get carried away, getting yourself injured by doing too much too soon is a good way to undo all the hard work. Remember speed work is the icing, its nice but its more important to bake the cake well, and that's lots of easy paced miles...


I like any metaphor that involves cake!
2017-07-18 8:44 AM
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Eventful training morning! First, up WAY too early for a morning ride. I had to wait 45 minutes for the sun to rise. I don't ride in the dark. Then, about 30' into my ride I hit a big rock and flatted my back tire. Ugh!! Pretty easily changed my tube. I was happy, as this is the first time I've actually done a road side flat repair and I'd never used my CO2 inflator before. It took a while--like, way longer than it takes in my living room when I'm changing from road tire to trainer tire--but it was successful. After a few minutes futzing with the back break that got knocked akimbo, I was back on the road.

Followed that up with a 30' brick run.

Later this afternoon: lifting some weights


Yesterday's run was fun! I went to the track and did some faster intervals for short distances. Basically like 100m at 5K pace (which isn't much faster than Z2 running for me), then walked 100m to get HR down, jogged a lap, repeat! Andrew is right--running fast is fun!
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Master's swim this morning. 2700m of weird. Our coach is out of town helping his parents with some medical issues, so the "asst coach" (who is really just a lady who does all the USMS paperwork and swims pretty fast for an 80yo) came up with the workout. There was a lot of junk in there, like pulling, kicking, switching strokes mid-lap. It was okay for a day, but I want my coach back!!

Later: 60' bike this afternoon
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