Vegas (Page 2)

This is a country with nearly (or maybe now more, I haven't looked lately) 500,000,000 guns.......repeat that out loud so you make yourself damn sure that you understand that we aren't rounding up 500,000,000 guns.  Anyone who even considers that needs to be medicated......there is simply NO WAY.  Like it or hate it, that horse has left the barn and isn't coming back. I have no idea what the solution is, but we should move past the idea of rounding them up and work on ideas that might be reasonable.

Absolutely.  I could get behind any of that.  I'm not an NRA member because I think the slippery slope idea is a dumb one.  Just fyi - you don't need make a firearm with a bump stock illegal.  making the bump stock illegal will cover it.  I can put one on or take it off in a matter of very few minutes, then the gun is legal again.  The bump stock does NOTHING to the firing mechanism and the gun doesn't need to be modified in any way.  I'm ready to pull my hair out from what the "gun experts" keep feeding the media, or maybe it's how the media, which knows NOTHING about guns, keeps trying to interpret what they hear.

Last night I listened to a talking head go on and on about how this is all a cover up because the effective range of a .223 round is only 2-300 yards.....and the interviewer was eating it up.  I wanted to call in and invite either of them to hand me a .223 rifle and then go dance around at 2-300 yards to see if I could hit them......there is just so much stupidity that gets said when these discussions start that there is little wonder it all goes nowhere.

Yeah, I haven't talked to a single gun owner who hasn't agreed they should be banned.......and most of us have shot them or own one.  It's fun to shoot a rifle with a bump stock, and I'm afraid most of us never really looked at the idea of what a person motivated to kill people could do with them.....because we don't have that motivation at any level.  As I said above, guns have always been in my life and a part of my heritage......killing people will never be.  I'm for banning bump fire stocks, also sometimes called side fire stocks,  which really should have never been legal.

I’m with you on bump stocks.  Obama should have never allowed them in the first place (see what I did there?)

Not positive on .308. (but a lot more than .223 costs) We load our own .223 rounds for .18 cents each.  I think about the cheapest I've seen retail is .26 which was 55 gr. jacketed and steel cases.....so not really great stuff.  But yeah, even at .18 in a 30 rd. magazine that's close to $6.00 in about 3 seconds of fun. 

On another note, the more I read from the media in the Vegas case the more I feel like a menace to society. LMAO   Now they're going on and on about the "nearly 1600 rounds he had in his car"...........We make about 3000 rounds when we have a "loading day" and I know at least once we had over 30,000 rounds built up, and I'm not mad at anyone. 

I remember going to high school, after hunting in the morning, with a shotgun in the window rack of my pickup truck and openly moving it to someone's trunk. I remember having a shotgun in my college dorm room, in Iowa, when pheasant season started.  Sometimes, I think those memories are from another, alternate, life I lived.

In spirit I get where you're coming from, but there's one challenge with the terror watch list and banning of firearms.  With a constitutional right there has to be due process involved before it can be removed.  Things such as having a felony conviction are a result of you being able to defend yourself in the criminal justice system and if unsuccessful you then lose your right to own firearms.
With the terror watch list it's an administrative list that isn't even public where people are placed on it for all kinds of reasons and many of them are bogus.  For example you could be put on it for shopping for pressure cookers at an Iranian ebay store and have no clue.  Then when you go to purchase a gun you're just denied and have no clue why.
The other issue is that once you're placed on the list there is no due process method for you to be removed.  You're simply on it until they decide to take you off it.

In spirit I'm with you that people on a terrorist watch list shouldn't be allowed to legally purchase firearms, but there are big problems with the terrorist watch list itself that leave me opposing it.

Welp, that's the end of my gun buying days.

Kids aren't allowed to fight anymore, so they don't get to learn those worldly lessons.  They just give them a trophy and force everyone to accept everyone for who they are.
It's truly child abuse to allow somebody to be an idiot throughout their childhood and then send them out into the real world expecting everyone to be "tolerant" of their moronic behavior.  They need to get their donkey kicked a time or two to grow up and be a contributing member of society. 
I was bullied a lot when I was younger and it was the best thing that ever happened to me.  I even became good friends with a few of the guys after we had some good fights and I stood up for myself.  That doesn't happen anymore.

lol, ok maybe a dumb example but you get the idea.  I'm pretty sure you and I are both on the list anyways for posting in The Political Joe

I heard he was duck hunting with a bump stock on his shotgun. 

Guns are never going to be the problem.  You can take 99%+ of  gun owners and have them trade their guns in for nuclear bombs....a one for one trade, and you will be in no more danger than you are now. 

On the other hand, you can't give that other -!% a butter knife and be safe. 

It's a hard truth, but it's the truth nonetheless. 

That being the case, the answer is figuring out how to identify and control that -1%. 

My guys did a search warrant this afternoon on a convicted felon.  It resulted in a half lb. of meth, 15 handguns, and 6 rifles.  That guy is walking the streets tonight.  See the problem?  Do you REALLY care? .....or do you just want to feel better?  I can tell you what needs to be fixed....do you have the stomach for it, or do you just want to whine about guns because you don't know anything about them and it's a convenient target for your ignorance?  Some of this is so easy that it disgusts me that I have to listen to idiots. Truly.