First IM, dreading the run.
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2009-09-15 4:02 PM |
Veteran 159![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: First IM, dreading the run.Hey everyone. I just signed up for 2010 IMWI. My first IM. I am dreading the run training. I welcome the bike and swim training. Any advise to help me with the run training? |
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2009-09-15 4:54 PM in reply to: #2408051 |
Master 1572![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() PA | Subject: RE: First IM, dreading the run.here's a few things that helped me. ipod. doing most of my runs in the early am so i could get it over with. Buying a pair of trail shoes that are waterproof for when i was running in a couple inches of snow and my feet were getting too wet. changing my route up (running from home got pretty old quickly). |
2009-09-15 5:08 PM in reply to: #2408051 |
14 | Subject: RE: First IM, dreading the run.Seriously finishing an Ironman is simply how bad you want it. That's it. Edited by Steveo989 2009-09-15 5:12 PM |
2009-09-15 6:34 PM in reply to: #2408051 |
Champion 5782![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Northridge, California | Subject: RE: First IM, dreading the run.Six13 - 2009-09-15 2:02 PM Hey everyone. I just signed up for 2010 IMWI. My first IM. I am dreading the run training. I welcome the bike and swim training. Any advise to help me with the run training? Two questions for you: --What running background (if any) do you have? --What goals (if any) do you have for the IM? (Like, does it matter to you if you walk the whole marathon or not?) |
2009-09-15 7:34 PM in reply to: #2408051 |
Extreme Veteran 484![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() McHenry, IL | Subject: RE: First IM, dreading the run.I'll add a thought: trail running. Have you tried it? Trail running gave me a whole new perspective on running. If you have some decent trails near where you live, get out there and give it a go. You might just like it. |
2009-09-15 7:42 PM in reply to: #2408322 |
Veteran 159![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: First IM, dreading the run.tcovert - 2009-09-15 6:34 PM Six13 - 2009-09-15 2:02 PM Hey everyone. I just signed up for 2010 IMWI. My first IM. I am dreading the run training. I welcome the bike and swim training. Any advise to help me with the run training? Two questions for you: --What running background (if any) do you have? --What goals (if any) do you have for the IM? (Like, does it matter to you if you walk the whole marathon or not?) Thanks. I do have some background. I have done alot of smaller tri's (1 HIM, was able to run about 10 miles of it, 3 Oly's, many sprints). I have biked a fair amount (3000 miles this year, including RAGBRAI, 4 century rides). I ran a half marathon last year 1:55. As far as the IM run, I hope to run at lease half of it. |
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2009-09-15 8:01 PM in reply to: #2408051 |
Expert 663![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() A little slice of paradise | Subject: RE: First IM, dreading the run.I would say find new running routes or run your usual one in reverse. Are you one who can run with other or a group that could help pass the time. See you in 2010 |
2009-09-15 8:15 PM in reply to: #2408051 |
Champion 19812![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() MA | Subject: RE: First IM, dreading the run.It sounds from your background you are ready to train for run of an IM but it is a mental thing for you. Not sure how you can overcome that but start thinking positive about it and not dreading it. I know that the way I look at a workout can effect my ability to execute it. When struggling with some harder run workouts, I renamed it "my favorite workout". It made is silly and not this apprehensive attitude about the workout. If you already say I want to run half the Mary in an IM you are not setting yourself up for success. Think you will have a run race plan that you will practice on your long runs and execute on race day. Strange as my run is usually my weaker discipline but in my last IM I placed best in the run and passed lots of people. I practiced my plan on all my long runs learning how to pace better going from slowest miles first to faster and finishing the fastest. It was a game for me and I like numbers so hitting my run pace goals for each mile was challenging and fun. |
2009-09-15 9:04 PM in reply to: #2408051 |
Champion 5782![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Northridge, California | Subject: RE: First IM, dreading the run.KathyG - 2009-09-15 6:15 PM It sounds from your background you are ready to train for run of an IM but it is a mental thing for you. Not sure how you can overcome that but start thinking positive about it and not dreading it. I know that the way I look at a workout can effect my ability to execute it. When struggling with some harder run workouts, I renamed it "my favorite workout". It made is silly and not this apprehensive attitude about the workout. If you already say I want to run half the Mary in an IM you are not setting yourself up for success. Think you will have a run race plan that you will practice on your long runs and execute on race day. Strange as my run is usually my weaker discipline but in my last IM I placed best in the run and passed lots of people. I practiced my plan on all my long runs learning how to pace better going from slowest miles first to faster and finishing the fastest. It was a game for me and I like numbers so hitting my run pace goals for each mile was challenging and fun. Great post, Kathy. Kinda want to call attention to the bolded parts...sorry, this'll be a bit long...bear with me... --If you've gone sub-2 hours for a half mary, then you are a much better runner than a lot of (if not the majority of) people who take on an IM (much more on that below). Maybe you should look at how you got to that point. Was it just a "necessary evil" in order to do tris (i.e., you did the running just to help you prepare for the HIM distance)? Maybe you should consider an early season marathon in 2010 and train for that, with a nice gradual build, so that you experience a commitment to running without too much distraction from the other disciplines. Something to think about, anyhow (and I know I'm not the only one on BT that does some version of that every winter). --I agree with Kathy: Don't sit on the fence about anything "IM"...train to run it all...and if you train for that (barring a pre-race injury...which happened to me), that's what you'll be ready to execute on race day. Or at least put your goal in more absolute terms, like "I'm going to run every last yard I can." --Again, if you're a sub-2 half marathoner already, you have the potential to be one of the stronger runners in your IM, trust me. I went into my first IM this summer with a totally trashed hamstring and was shocked by how many people I was passing on the run. Now, I'm a decent runner, but honestly what I felt like I saw around me were people who were really just not comfortable running and just felt like they were trying to get through it, rather than a course full of people running a race. And I'm not just talking about BOP people who were worried about making it to the end, I'm talking about the whole scene out there on the run course. I felt like, even with a pretty bad injury, the IM run wasn't bad...and I think that was in part because I'm a very confident runner and my plan was running about 40 seconds/mile slower than I normally run a marathon. That's a lot slower when you think about it...if I ran my standalone marathons at 9:10/mile instead of 8:30/mile, I'd feel like I was slacking. So many people do the absolute minimum preparation they can to run in an IM...and my observation on race day was that it showed. Which is a long-winded way of saying that if you don't get past your mixed feelings about the run, at the very least you won't be alone in that. But if you can make a commitment to it and invest time in preparing for it, the run can be less of a looming obstacle. Just my two cents, of course. Good luck! |
2009-09-15 9:39 PM in reply to: #2408051 |
2009-09-15 9:51 PM in reply to: #2408051 |
Iron Donkey 38643![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: First IM, dreading the run.Six13 - 2009-09-15 4:02 PM Hey everyone. I just signed up for 2010 IMWI. My first IM. I am dreading the run training. I welcome the bike and swim training. Any advise to help me with the run training? Just do it. I hate swimming, but I did it. First thing that we do, is rip that negative idea out our heads, fling it around like an All-Star wrestler until it gets dizzy, then smash it down to the ground, and stomp the living shat out of it. Then, if it tries to revive itself, you pile-drive it senseless. Get the picture? Focus on the positive, stay in your plan (if you have one), focus on what needs to get done, enjoy the time you have, and do YOUR best. With all that positive energy, remember the goal - you will become an Ironman. Now, get out there, and start training injury-free, 'K? Good luck to you. |
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2009-09-16 5:09 AM in reply to: #2408051 |
Elite 3658![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Roswell, GA | Subject: RE: First IM, dreading the run.Here are my pointers:
I would bet that once you get a strong running base you will start to love running.
Edited by brown_dog_us 2009-09-16 5:09 AM |
2009-09-16 6:54 AM in reply to: #2408051 |
Master 2021![]() Alpharetta, GA | Subject: RE: First IM, dreading the run.I agree with all the above except one idea, the use of an ipod. You can not use it on race day, so why train with it? Get used to running without music. Listen to your body, listen to your breathing, listen to your feeting (cadence). Doing so will help you find your zone/pace during training, so you know what feeling/comfort level/pace to look for during the race. If you don't already have a Garmin, go buy one. Seriously!!! It will free your runs. You will grow so tired of running the same routes over, and over, and over, and over again. A Garmin will allow you to run where ever you want and track your distance, pace, time, etc. Trust me, you will want one. During your run training you will learn about all the different parks and areas where you can run. USE THEM. Mixing up your routes will keep you motivated for the next session. |
2009-09-16 7:13 AM in reply to: #2409045 |
Champion 19812![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() MA | Subject: RE: First IM, dreading the run.Coldfire - 2009-09-16 7:54 AM I agree with all the above except one idea, the use of an ipod. You can not use it on race day, so why train with it? Get used to running without music. Listen to your body, listen to your breathing, listen to your feeting (cadence). Doing so will help you find your zone/pace during training, so you know what feeling/comfort level/pace to look for during the race. If you don't already have a Garmin, go buy one. Seriously!!! It will free your runs. You will grow so tired of running the same routes over, and over, and over, and over again. A Garmin will allow you to run where ever you want and track your distance, pace, time, etc. Trust me, you will want one. During your run training you will learn about all the different parks and areas where you can run. USE THEM. Mixing up your routes will keep you motivated for the next session. I agree with both points. My running improved when I ditched music and just ran and focused on running. Garmin meant I could run anywhere and adjust and change the route as I ran plus it helped me learn to pace well. |
2009-09-16 10:03 AM in reply to: #2408051 |
Veteran 196![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Arlington, VA | Subject: RE: First IM, dreading the run.I love to run, but I'm also dreading the IM marathon for different reasons. I'm 35 and I ran two marathons--in 2001 and 2003. In 2001, I trained a lot and ran a negative split to a 3:39. The second one was a disaster. I hadn't trained much due to the chaos/lack of sleep surrounding the birth of my daughter at the end of July, and the race was the first weekend in November. I went out faster with a friend who was shooting for 3:30. I hit the wall at mile 17, and I hit it hard. My split at the half was 1:47, and my final time was 4:35 or so. The last six miles were a very slow walk. I didn't even have the energy to run the last mile, or even the last .2. It was the longest six miles of my life. I wasn't in pain--it felt more like my legs ignored my brain telling them to run. Fast forward 6 years. I've run off and on ever since, but haven't raced longer than 10 miles. I signed up for an olympic distance on a whim, and dedicated myself to training. My runs have gotten faster than even pure run training when I was 27 doing my first marathon. The biking is coming along, and I had a great swim in the race on Sunday (:28S, 1:11B, :42R, for a total of 2:26 with transitions). I'm doing the Longhorn HIM in October and IMLP next summer. But I can't get that bad marathon out of my mind. If I bonked in a marathon, how do I do an Ironman? I've ridden a century this summer, swam 2.4 miles nonstop, and done 12 mile training runs to prepare for the HIM, so I'm sure I can do it. But that bad marathon still lurks like a demon in the back of my mind. I'm half inclined to try to do a December marathon after my HIM to exorcise the demons, recover for 2-3 months, then start on the IMLP program. But I feel like I'm better served by taking more of a break. |
2009-09-16 10:32 AM in reply to: #2409068 |
Master 1591![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() San Diego, CA | Subject: RE: First IM, dreading the run.KathyG - 2009-09-16 5:13 AM Coldfire - 2009-09-16 7:54 AM I agree with all the above except one idea, the use of an ipod. You can not use it on race day, so why train with it? Get used to running without music. Listen to your body, listen to your breathing, listen to your feeting (cadence). Doing so will help you find your zone/pace during training, so you know what feeling/comfort level/pace to look for during the race. If you don't already have a Garmin, go buy one. Seriously!!! It will free your runs. You will grow so tired of running the same routes over, and over, and over, and over again. A Garmin will allow you to run where ever you want and track your distance, pace, time, etc. Trust me, you will want one. During your run training you will learn about all the different parks and areas where you can run. USE THEM. Mixing up your routes will keep you motivated for the next session. I agree with both points. My running improved when I ditched music and just ran and focused on running. Garmin meant I could run anywhere and adjust and change the route as I ran plus it helped me learn to pace well. x2, getting rid of the music helped a lot. I was concerned about the IM Marathon but I'm actually looking forward to it now. I make sure to get 3-4 run sessions in a week 2 short transition type runs off the bike, a track session and a long run. These workouts have helped mix things up a bit and I actually enjoy the miles.
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2009-09-16 11:12 AM in reply to: #2408051 |
Master 1989![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() New Jersey | Subject: RE: First IM, dreading the run.Couple of thoughts... 1) the run training is the smallest part of training. It didn't really start to get taxing until late in the training plan. Plus the runs are very low intensity. Especially at the beginning, i couldn't run slow enough. it'll be different than training for a run-only race. 2) for me, i dreaded the swimming and that got to be too much, but raceday, it was by far the most enjoyable and rewarding part of my day. |
2009-09-16 12:43 PM in reply to: #2408051 |
Elite 3088![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Austin, TX | Subject: RE: First IM, dreading the run.As you start stretching the distance to those 16, 18, or longer mileage runs, set your expectations when you walk out the door. I was never all that enthusiastic, but as I started the workout I just said to myself "Alright, I'm gonna be out here for 3 hours or so. That's a long damn time so just accept it and get going." If you don't have a large run base, start early and build slowly. Like others have said, your goal should be to run the marathon. Don't plan to fail by being forced to walk. |
2009-09-16 1:21 PM in reply to: #2408051 |
Champion 7558![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: First IM, dreading the run.That big, gray lump in your head is both your nemesis and your salvation. Your first step is to somehow make finishing the ironman next September more important than not running (for any and all reasons). Is finishing an ironman more important than a lazy Saturday/Sunday morning sleeping in? Then get up, get dressed, and go for that run so you can finish the ironman! Is the ironman more important than the discomfort of an ice bath? Yup, get out there and run-soak-recover. If you can change your attitude about running, you'll change your results. Why do you dread run training? Are you struggling with over-use injuries that make running painful? Do you struggle to get out the door for those first 5 minutes? Are you frustrated that you aren't as fast as you think you should be? Do you not like being alone? Pinpoint exactly what it is about running that you dread, and start wrapping that tool inside your head around ways to overcome those dreads. Set some goals for the race, NOW, while you have time to make them come true. (Some of these come back to why you want to do the ironman in the first place. ) You can spend the next 12 months training to accomplish your goals. It's OK to set some super-secret-wouldn't-it-be-really-great-if-it-happens-this-way goals. Sure, they may take an unusual alignment of the planets or freak weather pattern and if so, be willing to accept results that don't meet this super-secret goal. In my case, that goal was <12:00 at IMCdA this year. That would have required near-perfect training, perfect race conditions, and perfect race-day execution. I'm happier starting with <12 and accepting 13:38 because training wasn't near-perfect, race-day weather wasn't conducive, and my race-day execution was off. For me, I didn't want to start with a "realistically, 13-hours" mentality where I could slack on training (good enough for 13-hours) and not be ready to take advantage of perfect race conditions IF THEY OCCURRED. (This is me, you have to sort out your own goals and motivation. ) You can help yourself be ready to run. Work on some specific run plans. Find a training partner (in-real-life is best, but virtual partners can help too). Make some new routes (trail running is a great change-of-pace). Make some intermediate running goals. Train by time rather than distance. Find several training partners (one who is a little faster and will challenge you, and one who is a little slower, so you realize you're not the slug you envision yourself to be. Plus, your slower friend might be more excited about running and that enthusiasm MIGHT rub off on you. ) |
2009-09-16 10:12 PM in reply to: #2408051 |
Champion 7595![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: First IM, dreading the run.Lots of great advice here. I'll second (or maybe by now it is 3rd of 4th) ditching the ipod. I occasionally listen to something on recovery runs, but otherwise don't use it. If running is something that you need to be distracted from, then it will remain a drudgery. Without the distraction, I found that I began to learn what is interesting about running, and then I began to look forward to it. Oh, and you might find that you become addicted to it as well. I wish yo the best in your training. Take it seriously (it sounds like you intend to) and it can be a wonderful journey. |
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