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OK...I have done 3 tri's this year and have another in 6.5 weeks, all of which I walked the run portion.  I am happy to do the races b/c I love swimming and biking.  Running is my downfall.  I have hated running from the time I was in school and they made us run  in gym class.  I have also been hit by 3 cars on my bicycle throughout the years.  This has caused some damaged cartiledge in my knees and therefor makes it a bit painful to run.  To boot, I am a big girl! 

Well, last night I went to the local run store and bought an uber sports bra to hold "the girls" in place.  I slapped on the running shoes and did a few stretches and took off.  I don't remember ever a day in my life I thought...hey, lets go run.

I walked down my street to the the bike path.  As soon as I turned on the bike path I started to run and did so for about 1/4 mile.  Then I walked 1/4 mile and ran 1/4 mi, etc. I did this for 2 miles.  I came home, stretched and then cooked dinner.  I was happy that I didn't feel horrible and that the knees held up.  I think I will keep up with this and gradually increase the run distance.

Question though....my gym has a 400mtr track that is slightly cushioned.  Is there a huge difference running on that to the bike path?  I think it would be better to run on with my knees, but am wondering if the conversion to the road would be a huge shock, like the elliptical to the road. 

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Congratulations on your milestone!!  I think you will probably get varied opnions on this question, based on different experiences.  Here's mine:

I prefer running on roads/paths much more than I do a track.  I find that after I spend several sessions in a row on a track, my legs have to regrow accustomed to running on pavement.  I just don't have that "sprng" in my step as when I am on a track.  I don't like that feeling.

It takes me about 20 minutes or so to get my legs back. 

The track definetly has its advantages; I just prefer running on pavement.  The monotony, the artificial "spring", and the lack of inclines just aren't for me.

With that said, I think that someone in your position can gain a world of experience and confidence starting off on the track.  I would simply suggest that you not wait until your competition to test out your running skills on the course.

Best of luck to you.

2009-09-10 10:29 AM
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I have found that as I run, and the weight comes off, the running gets easier, my back hurts less and my bum hip hurts less.  In a perfect world the bike path wold have the track cushion on it!  The cushion is great for training as it will be a little better for your joints.  As you progress, you can transition to the outside.  Do a running workout inside on the track, and later in the week do the walk run outside. Just transition slowly to the full outside workout.  Think of the track like training for training! 

Congratulations by the way! 

 
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Over the summer my tri-group did a track workout every other week.  I really loved running on it (so cushy!) but wouldn't do it all the time as it does get boring and I needed to practice running more hills. 

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I started running a few months ago.  I ran once on the pavement, and it hurt!  Not just my knees, but my hips and feet too.  Since we live right next to a high school with a new rubber track, we started running exclusively up there.  Much better, it's definately easier on the joints while the body gains the 'toughness' needed for high impact running.  I've since moved to doing most of my runs now on dirt trails (which is somewhere in between on a cushion standpoint) and love it.  Much more interesting than either the road or the track.  I did do a few miles on the road last week (while on vacation) and it did not hurt, so I think as my running increased my body is more used to the pounding.  Still, I'll stick with the dirt trails.  More comfort, and more fun.
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DolphinGirlMB - 2009-09-10 9:58 AM OK...I have done 3 tri's this year and have another in 6.5 weeks, all of which I walked the run portion.  I am happy to do the races b/c I love swimming and biking.  Running is my downfall.  I have hated running from the time I was in school and they made us run  in gym class.  I have also been hit by 3 cars on my bicycle throughout the years.  This has caused some damaged cartiledge in my knees and therefor makes it a bit painful to run.  To boot, I am a big girl! 

Well, last night I went to the local run store and bought an uber sports bra to hold "the girls" in place.  I slapped on the running shoes and did a few stretches and took off.  I don't remember ever a day in my life I thought...hey, lets go run.

I walked down my street to the the bike path.  As soon as I turned on the bike path I started to run and did so for about 1/4 mile.  Then I walked 1/4 mile and ran 1/4 mi, etc. I did this for 2 miles.  I came home, stretched and then cooked dinner.  I was happy that I didn't feel horrible and that the knees held up.  I think I will keep up with this and gradually increase the run distance.

Question though....my gym has a 400mtr track that is slightly cushioned.  Is there a huge difference running on that to the bike path?  I think it would be better to run on with my knees, but am wondering if the conversion to the road would be a huge shock, like the elliptical to the road. 


I've had 7 knee surgeries. When I run on a cushioned track I feel like a million bucks. A good treadmill is a close second. Grass is good. Dirt is okay. Pavement... not so good.


Edit: If it's an indor track with a light layer of rubber over concrete, that's about like pavement for me.

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2009-09-10 11:37 AM
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DolphinGirlMB - 2009-09-10 7:58 AM OK...I have done 3 tri's this year and have another in 6.5 weeks, all of which I walked the run portion.  I am happy to do the races b/c I love swimming and biking.  Running is my downfall.  I have hated running from the time I was in school and they made us run  in gym class.  I have also been hit by 3 cars on my bicycle throughout the years.  This has caused some damaged cartiledge in my knees and therefor makes it a bit painful to run.  To boot, I am a big girl! 

Well, last night I went to the local run store and bought an uber sports bra to hold "the girls" in place.  I slapped on the running shoes and did a few stretches and took off.  I don't remember ever a day in my life I thought...hey, lets go run.

I walked down my street to the the bike path.  As soon as I turned on the bike path I started to run and did so for about 1/4 mile.  Then I walked 1/4 mile and ran 1/4 mi, etc. I did this for 2 miles.  I came home, stretched and then cooked dinner.  I was happy that I didn't feel horrible and that the knees held up.  I think I will keep up with this and gradually increase the run distance.

Question though....my gym has a 400mtr track that is slightly cushioned.  Is there a huge difference running on that to the bike path?  I think it would be better to run on with my knees, but am wondering if the conversion to the road would be a huge shock, like the elliptical to the road. 


Hardest to softest - Concrete, asphalt (such as a street), bike path type asphalt (usually a slightly different mix than street asphalt), resurfaced road that uses the rubber from tires in the mix, packed dirt/trail or old cinder type track, cushioned (modern) track, grass. (And you can resort the packed dirt and the resurfaced road, the new mix for roads that uses bits of recycled tires in the mix are actually quite soft. Unfortunately, you mostly see it on highways, not on regular roads.)

If you have good shoes and rotate them out on time, you really shouldn't have that much trouble adjusting to almost any surface. The more you strike with your feet out in front of you rather than under you, the more jarring/impact you're going to have no matter the surface.

I get anywhere from 4-600 miles out of my shoes before I start getting the warning signs of needing to change them out, so anywhere from 3-6 months depending on how ambitious I've been lately. I'm ~170 lbs. If you are heavier than that, you may need to change them out a little more often.

The progression you're doing is actually quite recommended. And, you'd be surprised how fast you can cover ground by running 1/4, walking 1/4. Keep it up, and soon you'll be running 5k's flat out! :D

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Good job!  If you can handle running in circles ovals, the cushioned track may be best on your joints, especially as you get started.  

If you run on the track, your legs will become accostomed to the cushion of that surface.  Your body won't have to actively decelerate your feet, and you'll get a fair amount of foot rocking around your ankle due to the "give" in the surface.  So, like all repetitive exercises, you strengthen and lengthen the calf muscles needed to rock and the quads, hips, etc. that slow your foot impact with the ground atrophy.  Now move to an asphalt/concrete road and you need your hips and quads to provide the cushion, but they haven't been stressed and aren't up to the task.  Meanwhile, you're not using the extra muscles in your calves because your foot doesn't rock as much.  Your joints are extremely angry at the additional impacts from this unforgiving surface. 

So, as you get closer to the race, start increasing the amount of time you run on the race surface so you can build up those muscles.  As you're finding out, gradual changes are golden! 

2009-09-10 1:03 PM
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This is an outdoor track.  I have never run on it but think I will git it a try tomorrow.  Plan is to run/weight train every other day and swim/bike on the other days.  I just wish the weather would copperate a bit more.  My gym is awesome with all the facilities.  I just have to start using all of it.

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Try the track and if you like it do some of your runs there.  If you can find a dirt trail that isn't too technical that would be good too. There is an awesome trail near me that is really small gravel but is totally smooth and flat.. love running there.
If you are going to do a race that you'll have to run on asphalt you should do at least some of your runs on a similar surface just so you are used to  it.... I trained for a marathon doing all my running on dirt roads and the impact of the asphalt at the race was very noticeable because I wasn't used to it.
The surface to avoid is concrete ie. sidewalks.. this is the worst for you as far as impact.



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DolphinGirlMB - 2009-09-10 7:58 AM OK...I have done 3 tri's this year and have another in 6.5 weeks, all of which I walked the run portion.  I am happy to do the races b/c I love swimming and biking.  Running is my downfall.  I have hated running from the time I was in school and they made us run  in gym class.  I have also been hit by 3 cars on my bicycle throughout the years.  This has caused some damaged cartiledge in my knees and therefor makes it a bit painful to run.  To boot, I am a big girl! 

Well, last night I went to the local run store and bought an uber sports bra to hold "the girls" in place.  I slapped on the running shoes and did a few stretches and took off.  I don't remember ever a day in my life I thought...hey, lets go run.

I walked down my street to the the bike path.  As soon as I turned on the bike path I started to run and did so for about 1/4 mile.  Then I walked 1/4 mile and ran 1/4 mi, etc. I did this for 2 miles.  I came home, stretched and then cooked dinner.  I was happy that I didn't feel horrible and that the knees held up.  I think I will keep up with this and gradually increase the run distance.

Question though....my gym has a 400mtr track that is slightly cushioned.  Is there a huge difference running on that to the bike path?  I think it would be better to run on with my knees, but am wondering if the conversion to the road would be a huge shock, like the elliptical to the road. 


Hardest to softest - Concrete, asphalt (such as a street), bike path type asphalt (usually a slightly different mix than street asphalt), resurfaced road that uses the rubber from tires in the mix, packed dirt/trail or old cinder type track, cushioned (modern) track, grass. (And you can resort the packed dirt and the resurfaced road, the new mix for roads that uses bits of recycled tires in the mix are actually quite soft. Unfortunately, you mostly see it on highways, not on regular roads.)

If you have good shoes and rotate them out on time, you really shouldn't have that much trouble adjusting to almost any surface. The more you strike with your feet out in front of you rather than under you, the more jarring/impact you're going to have no matter the surface.

I get anywhere from 4-600 miles out of my shoes before I start getting the warning signs of needing to change them out, so anywhere from 3-6 months depending on how ambitious I've been lately. I'm ~170 lbs. If you are heavier than that, you may need to change them out a little more often.

The progression you're doing is actually quite recommended. And, you'd be surprised how fast you can cover ground by running 1/4, walking 1/4. Keep it up, and soon you'll be running 5k's flat out! :D

John


^^^  Good stuff there, top to bottom.

When I got off the couch after not having run in over 10 years, I started out in much the same way:  Walking while getting my weight down, then adding in 1/4 mile runs during my walks, then gradually shifting to running only.  It is pretty critical to get weight down as you go along.  There's a tendency to assume that running will naturally lead to weight loss, but it can also lead to injury if overdone with too much of a load on your joints.  My own experience was to focus on weight loss through better nutrition and reduced calories along with daily activity (mostly walking with very short run breaks initially) THEN on serious running.  A lot of people get turned off to running simply because they are trying to do too much before they are really ready for the workload...swimming and biking are obviously more forgiving in that sense.

Good luck...keep it up!  Great start!
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DolphinGirlMB,

You're a motivator!  Keep it up!  I agree that the soft rubberized track is a good place to start.  I have been running again for only a couple months, increasing each week the 10% only rule.  I have had some right foot pain the last week or so, so I have switched to a soft track (from asphalt road).  It is boring, but my foot is feeling better.  The even surface is predictable and you're less likely to injure yourself.  When you start to really enjoy running, you can hit the bike path and motor!

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No advice or anything - just wanted to say GOOD FOR YOU!!!!

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Alright.../I went to the gym on Fri and ran on the track.  I managed to squeeze out 3 mile of which 1.5 I ran.  It is a 400m track.  I walked the 1st lap, ran the 2nd, walked the 3rd, ran the 4th, then did half lap run/walk and finally the last mile I ran walked every 100m.

Here's me next question, should I have worked my way up from the 100m splits to the full laps, or what I did, was that fine?


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If you have a choice and will be using the track pretty often, don't forget to change direction.  Always running curves the same direction can cause problems with the knees

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I think you should do that routine in reverse order, only warm up walking two laps first.  Then do the 100 splits after a very light stretch.  Then do a better stretch and start the full lap alternates.  Your distance should be fine because of your prior training and fitness level.  Just remember not to increase your run more than 10% per week.  BTW, if that's just the second time running, that super!  You are going to run all your events from now on, I'll put money on it.

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Way to go!  You rock!

If you felt OK and weren't sore with the 400 repeats of walking and running, no reason not to stick with that.  If you want to, you can increase your running intervals some days or increase your overall distance on other days.  Good for you for giving the running a chance.  : )

All of the other posters had good suggestions about the running surfaces.  I just wanted to reiterate that you'll want to switch directions on the track every now and then to avoid knee issues.  I run in the middle of the road in our neighborhood because of the huge slope to the curb for this reason.

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abier and Mrs BD.....thatnks for the info.  I never thought it would be an issue going in the one direction, but I see your point.  I would have kept up with it until my knee started to bother me again.  Good info...thanks!!!  I can't run today since I have a dinner for my sister's b-day, but I will be back out on the run on Wed. (Mon/wed/fri = run/weights, SatOrSun/Tues/Thurs = bike/swim)

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