Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?
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2009-08-14 9:33 PM |
Veteran 142![]() ![]() South Jersey (Cherry Hill) | Subject: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?Your comments are most appreciated. I have an olympic scheduled one month from now and I've only done a sprint tri. The conditions were poor--torrential downpour making roads dangerous for biking; running on a dirt path that turned to a small, muddy stream--and my times were not altogether fast (17 mph bike; 9:30 run; swim--can do in about 10:30 to 11:00 per 400 yds and improving), but that gives a base to start from. There are several thoughts racing though my head, most of which relate to the run portion: 1) Can I finish in under 3 hours? Will I cramp up on the run? What will my legs feel like after the combination of swimming AND biking? How much slower a pace should I expect on the run going from a sprint tri to an olympic, if any? Thanks! |
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2009-08-14 10:07 PM in reply to: #2350018 |
Extreme Veteran 601![]() ![]() Bainbridge Island, Washington | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?OH goodie! I'm going from Sprints (have done 4 now) to the Olympic distance in 3 weeks! Cant wait to see the answers! |
2009-08-15 10:30 AM in reply to: #2350018 |
Veteran 434![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Apex, NC | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?I'm no expert but here is my recollection from last season the first time I did a sprint then oly (first time for both).Advice I read for a sprint is you should go fast enough to feel like you're going to throw up the whole time. I don't know about that but I do go all out (I push to keep my HR over 165). I could never do that for the oly. As far as legs from bike to run, not much different, just takes a mile or two. Can't speak to the cramps. Less than 3 hours? At the times you did in the sprint, prob not but maybe nicer weather will speed things up. |
2009-08-15 12:44 PM in reply to: #2350018 |
Master 1324![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Rochester, NY | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?What to expect depends on a lot of things. Weekly training volume. Competitive background in any of the sports. Etc. Coming from the perspective of someone without a competitive background, and someone who was losing some weight, and someone with a year or so of sprints under his belt, I found the distance to be materially longer. My suggestion for your first Oly is to keep it aerobic. You'll go anaerobic in a sprint. But for your first oly, just keep within yourself. Keep the HR down. And see what you've got left in the last 5K. If you're still feeling good then, let it rip. Good luck. |
2009-08-15 3:57 PM in reply to: #2350461 |
Veteran 142![]() ![]() South Jersey (Cherry Hill) | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?Okay...Thank you. This is some good advice. I kept all three events (essentially) aerobic for the sprint. My concern is that I'll cross the finish line in the Olympic, but everyone will have gone home because I've been so slow. But, I feel I can easily swim a mile at about a 10 to 12 minute 100 meters, do the bike at 16 to 17 mph and the run at about 10 minute miles. I don't have a competitive background in any of the three sports, but I can play two grueling singles matches per day in tennis lasting upwards of 2.5 hours each. But, it is a quite different sport, with lots of high intensity, anaerobic activity, followed by short 20 to 30 second rests in between. So......I'll have to do another 25 mile ride followed by a 2 to 3 mile run and see if my legs fall apart! (I'm okay on a 13 mile ride followed by a 3 mile run). Thanks again |
2009-08-15 9:19 PM in reply to: #2350018 |
Master 2158![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?I am in the same boat and am hoping it won't be too bad, I know that double the distance may be more than twice as hard, but I have run a couple of marathons, so I know I can get the cardio to the point where endurance won't be a problem. |
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2009-08-15 9:23 PM in reply to: #2350018 |
Elite 3315![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Miami | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?take it easy on the 1st oly. from personal experience eventhough i ramped up my training load it still wasn't sufficient for me to go all out. i was on the course for 2:30 and my PRs were 1:50 / 100 yrds, 21.5 mph ave, 8 min / mile. i was pretty tired and raced in z3 or at least that is where i felt i was racing. so like i said enjoy the race take it easy. it will probably take about 3 hrs with your times but so what....something to improve on next race. Edited by trix 2009-08-15 9:23 PM |
2009-08-16 12:10 AM in reply to: #2350018 |
Champion 5782![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Northridge, California | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?From what you've said in the thread about your times, expect probably 3:10-3:30. For a bit of confirmation of that: Last year for her first Oly, my wife was at 8:40/400m S, 17.10 mph B, 10:40/mi R and her time was 3:18. Your paces look pretty similar in general to hers. |
2009-08-16 6:56 AM in reply to: #2351166 |
Veteran 142![]() ![]() South Jersey (Cherry Hill) | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?Yes......I think I'll have to stay aerobic (E3) most of the race. And, if I extrapolate my sprint times to the Oly, it looks like I'll be closer to 3:30 than 3:00. Gulp! Yikes! This may even put me dead last. Last year's final finisher completed in 3:27. (I'm not sure, but I wonder if this event even stops timing beyond 3:30?) |
2009-08-16 7:07 AM in reply to: #2351264 |
Extreme Veteran 680![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Acworth, GA | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?In my experience this year jumping to Oly from about 4 sprint races is similar to other posts. I just went too hard on the bike and paid for it on the run. I don't race with a HRM, in fact, just upgraded to the Garmin 305 about 6 weeks ago because I blew up on both the runs in the 2 Oly's (amazing, about mile 3.5 &4.5 on both of those). So my advice, just don't redline during the bike and you will feel comfortable (relatively speaking) on the run, assuming you got the training behind you. I also learned the importance of Brick or Transition run workouts. And don't worry about the overall time either since there are too many variables that impact time on course (water conditions, wind, rain, hills, etc). Good luck. |
2009-08-16 8:10 AM in reply to: #2350018 |
Buttercup 14334![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?I don't want to be alarmist but, after looking at your training logs for the last few months, I'd say your training volume does not support being properly conditioned for an Olympic distance triathlon. Your swim volume is very low, IMO. So is your running. It's kind of late in the game to increase those volumes and make the necessary adaptations that your body needs to make. Making the jump from a sprint distance swim to an Oly distance swim takes conditioning. Being able to swim 1,640 yards nonstop and then calling it a day is one thing. Swimming 1,640 yards then jumping on your bike for 26 miles (followed by a 6mile run) is quite another. When was the last time you were continuously aerobic for 3.5 hrs? That is another way to look at it. |
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2009-08-16 8:58 AM in reply to: #2350018 |
Extreme Veteran 314![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?Biggest change for me was the swim...felt like much longer than what it was. Aside from that, the bike and run really didn't feel that bad. |
2009-08-16 8:58 AM in reply to: #2350018 |
Veteran 142![]() ![]() South Jersey (Cherry Hill) | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?Hummm....I do tend to be over confident and over zealous, at times.....I've really only done about 2 hours continuous aerobic activity. I've split training in the am (1.5 hour bike and then a 45 minute swim, for example), but this is quite different from doing these activities back to back activity. I've played tennis continuously for 2.5 hours, but this sport allows one's heart rate to recover, for the most part, so it is quite different than continuous aerobic activity, but I imagine there are some crossover benefits. I could back out, but my goal at this point is to finish and avoid injury. And, this is the last race of the season (Sept 12) that is feasible for me to enter, unfortunately. Tuesday, I'm going to try a bike/run brick and run for about 2 miles after the 25 mile ride. I confident in my capacity to handle the swim and biking portion. I am anxious about adding the run (which to me is the most rigorous of all three events). What would be the worst case scenario? |
2009-08-16 9:17 AM in reply to: #2350018 |
Champion 7558![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?Nutrition and pacing become much more important the longer the expected race. For a sprint, eat at home a couple hours before you start the race, and you can finish with just drinking water on the bike/run. As you start getting past 2 hours, you need to make sure you've got some glucose floating around in your bloodstream still, so you should plan on taking in some calories. Gatorade *OR* a gel or two on the bike should give you enough to finish the run. If you haven't tried exercising with either, do so in training. For pacing, don't worry if you might be finishing in 3:30 when last year's last-place finisher was 3:27. That isn't an unreasonable time for the race, but you may feel pretty lonely during most of the run. Now if you thought it might take you 4 hours, get ahold of the race director. Olympic distance races may not have official cutoff times, but he should know that he'll need volunteers longer than he did last year. Many OLY races will start the awards about 3 1/2 hours after the start of the last wave. If you're in the last wave, they might start without you, but will usually stop the awards to recognize your finish. If you're in an earlier wave, you may cross the finish line before other participants even if you have the slowest time of the day. How big do you think the field would be if every prospective "last place finisher" chose not to race? The 3:30 person (you) opts out and last year's 3:27 finisher does too. Pretty soon, the only people racing are the ones who think they can win. |
2009-08-16 3:02 PM in reply to: #2351322 |
Veteran 142![]() ![]() South Jersey (Cherry Hill) | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?Thanks for the change of perspective and confidence boost. |
2009-08-16 3:24 PM in reply to: #2350018 |
Master 2426![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Central Indiana | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?As a newb having just finished my 1st Oly, I agree that pacing yourself is Job 1. Ask me how I know that Pre-event I thought that I could break 3hr if everything went well (my PB's- 33min 1500M swim, 1:08 25m bike, 55min 10k run). After all, I had repeatedly ballparked 2 of those 3 times in same training brick. But at the event reality (& my stupidity) bit- hard. Event day was humid & warm, with increasing winds predicted for mid-late AM. My swim was just OK, but 3hr was still possible. Then at T1, I found someone had messed up my transition set-up, inc. knocking my helmet & dark-framed prescription sunglasses off my bike. Lost time there finding those glasses in the grass. I foolishly tried to make up time on the bike. Depsite good hydration & fuel (gels), too many ill-advised, ill-timed anaerobic efforts weaving through traffic & fighting the wind toasted my legs. Start of the run brought bad leg cramps & even some thoughts I may not finish. Walked much of 1st mile, and slowly got the legs loosened up. Eventually posted my worst 10k ever (even in practice) resulting in me going WAY over that 3hr mark. But despite a little misfortune & my poor race management, at least I met my primary goal. I finished. |
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2009-08-16 7:56 PM in reply to: #2351667 |
Veteran 142![]() ![]() South Jersey (Cherry Hill) | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?Sounds like it was a tough race. Frustrating to do worse than even your light training efforts. I'll definitely take the advice and take it easy on the swim and bike portion. I barely use my legs while swimming in attempt to preserve them. As a result of this, and perhaps a very slow swim time, I feel quite fine at the end of a 1600 M swim. But, we'll see. An actual event is quite different than training. |
2009-08-16 8:18 PM in reply to: #2350018 |
Extreme Veteran 318![]() ![]() ![]() Lunenburg, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?I just finished my first Oly today, after only completing 1 sprint before. My PRs going into the even were similar to yours... 10-12min 400s for the swim, 15-17mph on the bike, and about 9min/miles on the run. Conditions were perfect today and I had a PR on the swim (27:10). I was at my average pace on the bike, and stayed fairly consistent on the run. I too was shooting for 3 hours, and finished at 2:59:25. Last year's sprint was 1:37, so I picked up the pace and maintained it this year. Some things that helped were: - pedalling faster on an easier gear (saved my calves, as they really hurt last year after riding in the hardest gear) - less nutrition on the bike (3 gels last year for the sprint, compared to 1 gel for this year's oly... and about half a Cliff bar... much too dry to keep eating... 1 bottle of Gatorade both times) - I actually found the 2nd 750m of the swim easier than the first (not really a tip, I guess) Have a great race!! |
2009-08-16 8:22 PM in reply to: #2352087 |
Veteran 142![]() ![]() South Jersey (Cherry Hill) | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?Hey Congrats on finishing in under 3 hours! To me, that's a darn good time (especially your swim time). And, thanks for the biking tips. |
2009-08-17 9:16 AM in reply to: #2350018 |
Veteran 427![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?I've also got an Oly in a couple of weeks and the advice/comments here are definitely worth noting. I've come to realize in the last couple of weeks that I just don't have enough of a swim base for an Oly, but I'm going to try and keep calm, stay cool and work my way through it. I've finished 3 sprints this summer and have been very happy with my progression. My goal is to have a good time, meet some people, stay relaxed, and at T2 to check my watch and if I've got a chance at a predetermined time to try and hit it, but if not, there's always the next race |
2009-08-17 9:30 AM in reply to: #2352757 |
Champion 10021![]() ![]() , Minnesota | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?I found my first Oly to be much more difficult than I anticipated, so prepare to suffer a bit. Then again, I am no great athlete nor do I put in a ton of time. I struggled greatly in the swim, took longer than normal actually due to hyperventilating and swerving, and was WIPED heading to T1. Try to avoid that I did a sprint yesterday, after getting used to longer races. In a sprint, the swim is VERY hard. Like GO GO GO the whole time, breathing heavier than I usually would in a swim, etc. The swim in an Oly, however, is when you start to think about staying steady and getting from buoy to buoy. Don't totally give up on the speed, but think of it more like "I am going to finish this without expending all my energy". I would recommend keeping the kicking to a minimum and keeping your heart rate and breathing down. Then, you will still have your legs at close to 100% for the remainder of the event. My pace is generally 2:20-30 per 100 this year. I remained very calm and did my most recent Oly swim in 36 mins, and felt good (a 10 min PR over that first race). In general, jumping to a new distance is about survival for the casual triathlete. For this first one especially, it's less about "racing" than it is about completing each leg and keeping it together. VERY different from a sprint. Good luck! |
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2009-08-17 4:04 PM in reply to: #2352813 |
Veteran 142![]() ![]() South Jersey (Cherry Hill) | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?This is some very good advice. I'm sure others with similar thoughts/questions will benefit as well. And, I read your Liberty Tri results. Your swim time was fantastic and your finish time quite fast as well. Congrats. So, I can summarize the recs so far for other viewers: 1. For the first Olympic, pacing is key, particularly on the swim and bike portions 2. For those of us requiring approximately 3 hours, hydration and fuel (carbs) become increasingly important, perhaps in the form of an appropriate sports drink, gel, or power bar. 3. After the bike portion, take some time to adjust to the run. One's legs may very well feel worse than bricks, and more like lead bricks. 4. Don't expect to extrapolate from sprint times to Olympic times. Pacing at aerobic (conversational) levels is necessary. 5. Perhaps it is appropriate to just establish the goal of finishing without regard for time, especially if one is new to all three sports and has merely fumbled around with running sporadic 5Ks. 6. Be mindful of perhaps need to defer participation in an Olympic until training volume has increased appropriately. (I perhaps am guilty of not adhering to this one). Thanks for all the comments. I sure do appreciate them. |
2009-08-18 10:43 PM in reply to: #2350018 |
Member 26![]() | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?I am doing my first tri, an oly in three weeks and I think you will be just fine! Might finish after roads are closed but who cares? Have a great time and enjoy it. I did 25 miles today and then ran 3 miles and felt great even though it was about 92 degrees out. But, that being said, the advice I have been given is to keep doing "brick" stuff. I have been cycling and swimming, cycling and running, etc. I have been told that is the key and to just take it easy on race day. Good luck! |
2009-08-19 3:57 PM in reply to: #2357267 |
Veteran 142![]() ![]() South Jersey (Cherry Hill) | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?Thanks for the encouragement. Today, I did an easy 25 mile ride followed by a 2 mile run. I went about 15 mph (very slow) on the bike and felt fine on the run afterward. I suppose if I keep this slow pace (heck, at that pace, I mind as well just ride my son's Big Wheels), I'll finish the race, but probably in excess of 3:30. But, I am looking forward to the race, and despite the prospect of coming in last, I hope to enjoy it! Swim (1760 meters)=44 minutes Bike (24 miles)=1:40 Run (10 k)= 66 minutes Transition= 3 to 10 minutes Estimate= 3:40 Thus, my goal for the race now becomes a time of 3:30 or less. Thanks to all folks who wrote in. I can see that one's times cannot and should not be extrapolated from Sprint times to Olympic times for someone who has not trained a season and someone who has never before completed an Olympic. And, as McFuzz said in one post, if all potential last place finishers do not participate, then many events will attract less and less participation each year. |
2009-09-14 7:56 PM in reply to: #2350018 |
Veteran 142![]() ![]() South Jersey (Cherry Hill) | Subject: RE: Going from Sprint to Oly--What to expect?Thanks to all who posted encouragement and suggestions. I completed my first Olympic just one month after completing my first sprint. I beat my estimate of 3:30 to 3:40 by finishing in 3:05. I took advice posted and just paced myself. Swim (1609 meters): 32 minutes (2:01 per 100 meters): Pretty happy with the swim. Bike (24 miles): 1:24 (~16.5 MPH) Run (10 K): 1:04.33 Transition--Too long because five of my friends surprised me and arrived at the end of the swim and I talked to them while in transitioning to the bike. They wanted to form a pelaton and accompany me on the bike portion--they're avid bikers--but I told them that I'd be disqualified if they did that. Pretty funny and worth the lost minute or so! Because I was anticipating a 3:30 to 3:40 total time, my wife and kids did not even make it to the end of the event. I called my wife about 20 minutes after finishing and she was a few minutes from the event. |
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