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2008-10-05 7:01 PM

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Great support - - tons of volunteers and plenty of aid stations! Very well run.



2008-10-05 7:50 PM
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I agree, it was my first HIM and other than the bus problems delaying the start, it was a great race. Finished in 5:25,  everytime I was thinking about water another aid station was right there, a great group of volunteers made the race. 
2008-10-06 8:03 AM
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I heard you guys had great conditions, especially on the bike!
2008-10-06 9:45 AM
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It was a great race but I think there are a few things that need to be addressed. I live in Austin and it's just too bad we can't do this race in a nicer area. Decker Lake is weedy and not the nicest lake. The dry weather, wind and dust were brutal at the race site (obviously there's no way to control the weather). The roads were either very rough or absolutely smooth. And, the biggy, the traffic and bus shuttle getting to the race site was brutal. The race started late because they couldn't get everyone to the transition area.

A couple ways to potentially fix the traffic and bus issue: 1) Open up more entries into the Expo Center. If you can't do that then at least have 2 lanes entering parking. 2) Every bus I saw had 1/2 athletes and 1/2 spectators piling on. It's great to have all the spectators but maybe next time have separate buses so the athletes can get to transition quicker and ready to race.

Oh, and I certainly wouldn't say the bike conditions were good as the wind was blowing 15-20mph the entire time and the only time you had a tailwind on the bike was the last 12 miles or so. With the heat, wind, and hilly run I think this is a very tough course. Unfortunately the swim was way short but it sure was nice getting out of the water when I did. :-)

I have to agree with the great volunteers, support, aid stations..... I'll definitely do the race again as I'm sure Keith will work out some of the kinks next year.
2008-10-06 10:16 AM
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I live north of Austin in Round Rock and we drove in from 290 on 3177 and came in the north side of the expo center and there was no one around.  We drove straight in the gate and to a parking spot for a short walk to the bus.  The line was huge going into the south entrance.  Maybe next year they can give two sets of directions. I also suggest that they do body marking at the bus lines to cut time and figure a better way to get people into the race site.  It would also help if everyone walking to the park from the Expo center would walk on the grass and not on the road.  That blocked the buses from getting to and from the park in a timely manner, which caused the long line.
2008-10-06 12:46 PM
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rbalazs - 2008-10-06 9:45 AM It was a great race but I think there are a few things that need to be addressed. ....

I really have to disagree with a few points here:

  • Decker Lake -- yep, a little weedy, but really not an issue at all except at Swim Out.  Otherwise, visibility is still normal lake visibility.  Heck, I could see slightly beyond my outstreched hand.  That's actually better than most lakes in Texas.  Keith also did a great job this year moving the start away from the boat ramp, which can get very slippery.
  • Yep, the dust was bad, but I really appreciate that they had the grass mowed short on both the race course, areas next to the race course on Decker Lane where spectators could walk, and in the parking area we all had to use for bike dropoff.
  • Anyone who compains about those roads is spoiled.  Overall, those roads were great.  Yes, there were cracks on some of them.  However, that is weather-related, and not nearly as bad as I was afraid.   Plus, the hazard marking of them was some fo the best I've seen at any event.
  • I don't see how anyone can claim that the non-glass-smooth sections were "rough".  Have you never been on chip-seal?  I would describe this entire bike course as smooth.
  • I won't comment on the buses, because I got there early and had no problems parking or getting on a bus w/i a few minutes.
  • As to the various people I've heard commenting on the wind, two words -- perception bias.  It was not nearly as windy as most people have claimed.  Check out the graph of the actual wind measurements from the closest weather station:   http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KTXMANOR3&month=10&day=5&year=2008
  • Short story?  mostly calm until ~8:30,  5-10mph until around 10:30, 10-15mph after that.  Combine that with the nice cloud cover we had, and I'll be one to say the weather conditions were great!


2008-10-06 1:04 PM
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rbalazs - 2008-10-06 9:45 AM It was a great race but I think there are a few things that need to be addressed. ....

I really have to disagree with a few points here:

  • Decker Lake -- yep, a little weedy, but really not an issue at all except at Swim Out.  Otherwise, visibility is still normal lake visibility.  Heck, I could see slightly beyond my outstreched hand.  That's actually better than most lakes in Texas.  Keith also did a great job this year moving the start away from the boat ramp, which can get very slippery.
  • Yep, the dust was bad, but I really appreciate that they had the grass mowed short on both the race course, areas next to the race course on Decker Lane where spectators could walk, and in the parking area we all had to use for bike dropoff.
  • Anyone who compains about those roads is spoiled.  Overall, those roads were great.  Yes, there were cracks on some of them.  However, that is weather-related, and not nearly as bad as I was afraid.   Plus, the hazard marking of them was some fo the best I've seen at any event.
  • I don't see how anyone can claim that the non-glass-smooth sections were "rough".  Have you never been on chip-seal?  I would describe this entire bike course as smooth.
  • I won't comment on the buses, because I got there early and had no problems parking or getting on a bus w/i a few minutes.
  • As to the various people I've heard commenting on the wind, two words -- perception bias.  It was not nearly as windy as most people have claimed.  Check out the graph of the actual wind measurements from the closest weather station:   http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KTXMANOR3&month=10&day=5&year=2008
  • Short story?  mostly calm until ~8:30,  5-10mph until around 10:30, 10-15mph after that.  Combine that with the nice cloud cover we had, and I'll be one to say the weather conditions were great!

Agree with you on everything but the wind and perception bias.  It all depends on how fast you are on the bike.  The longer you were out there, the worse the wind got, or the more tired you got of it.

2008-10-06 1:10 PM
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I totally agree that this was a great race, especially considering the jump in size from last year to this year. I felt this event went off smoothly, and Keith and crew rolled with the punches.

Yes, some of the roads were cracked, but they were well marked for the most part with paint, and I truly appreciated the volunteers calling out the turns up ahead and the arrows pointing out the turns. This really helped on such a crowded course. I think it's hard to find 56 miles of smooth road anywhere. It's not too bad to find a good section of road for a sprint or olympic, but it's much harder for a one-loop half bike, especially when getting permits, etc. from the city.

It was windy, but it's Texas. It's always something here, and I'll take windy over incredibly hot or raining any day.

I'm sure Keith is going to take our comments in stride and make next year's race even better. Sure, there were some growing pains with increasing the race to this size, but I'm terribly impressed with how well it was put on! I'll be back next year and can't wait. 

 

2008-10-06 11:02 PM
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IMO the bike course was great. Compared to some of the roads I've ridden on it was about as good as you can find in Texas. The course has enough variety to make it interesting. There is always wind in Texas.

I'll take the bike course any day over that run course! LOL! Keith, could you flatten the run out a bit for next year? Perhaps give out an award for the person who goes up the hill the slowest!!!

There is only one thing that I would change about the race. It would be nice to have the athlete drinks (cokes-after the race) separate from the food line. That way if you only wanted a drink you wouldn't have to stand in a long line. I ended up buying a coke after the race because I was too tired to wait in the line for one.

Awesome race!  

 

2008-10-07 8:06 AM
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Thanks everyone!!!!!
I was mortified by the bus/parking situation.

Basically, the guys who put the cones out barricaded/closed Gate 1, which was supposed to be open, in addition to gate 2. Finally, the parking attendants manning that area called me to ask why NO one was coming in their gate. I called the Sheriff's Dept, and he went and checked, and opened it up. Things sped up then, but it was too late.

Of course, the buses then had to run much more slowly, as athletes who were late were walking to the park, but walking along the bus route. So, bus turnover was much slower as well.

The Travis County Sheriff's Dept parks cars at the Expo Center ALL the time. They supplied the plan, and it works really well....unless there is a glitch like closing one of the gates accidentally...

Don't worry, I can assure everyone that it won't happen again. We're going to open ALL gates, and have 3 times the number of buses next year. It'll be more than smooth...

Trust me, I was incredibly upset about this, especially given that there has been a plan in place for parking cars there for quite some time, and it's tried and true...

as for the dust/cracked roads/cracked trails. It just hasn't rained in months here. The roads that were cracked were beautiful just 2 months ago. The ground has just contracted due to no moisture. The park, which was grass last year, has just become dirt due to lack of rain. Not much we can do about it.

We got 2 truckloads of coldpatch and spent 1.5 days filling in cracks and potholes, and did the best we could. Next year, if it rains at all, it'll be fine... Same goes for the trails. We got a couple of truckloads of dirt and I personally went and filled in the crevices as best I could.

It's amazing what happens with no rain.

Of course, it rained last night here

All the problems are easily fixable. We want a PERFECT event, but know that there are always some glitches. I wish there weren't....
2008-10-07 10:24 AM
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IMO the bike course was great. Compared to some of the roads I've ridden on it was about as good as you can find in Texas. The course has enough variety to make it interesting. There is always wind in Texas.

I'll take the bike course any day over that run course! LOL! Keith, could you flatten the run out a bit for next year? Perhaps give out an award for the person who goes up the hill the slowest!!!

There is only one thing that I would change about the race. It would be nice to have the athlete drinks (cokes-after the race) separate from the food line. That way if you only wanted a drink you wouldn't have to stand in a long line. I ended up buying a coke after the race because I was too tired to wait in the line for one.

Awesome race!  

 




That's funny. The first time up quadzilla, I commented to someone who was next to me that maybe they should give an award for the slowest up the hill!

I also agree that drinks at the end would have been great. The heat really got to me and I had to sit right after getting my chip removed. I knew a coke would revive me, but there was no way I could stand in the line to get into the food tent to get one, so I just sat for a while.


2008-10-07 3:36 PM
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davidb - 2008-10-06 1:46 PM

rbalazs - 2008-10-06 9:45 AM It was a great race but I think there are a few things that need to be addressed. ....

I really have to disagree with a few points here:

  • Decker Lake -- yep, a little weedy, but really not an issue at all except at Swim Out.  Otherwise, visibility is still normal lake visibility.  Heck, I could see slightly beyond my outstreched hand.  That's actually better than most lakes in Texas.  Keith also did a great job this year moving the start away from the boat ramp, which can get very slippery.
  • Yep, the dust was bad, but I really appreciate that they had the grass mowed short on both the race course, areas next to the race course on Decker Lane where spectators could walk, and in the parking area we all had to use for bike dropoff.
  • Anyone who compains about those roads is spoiled.  Overall, those roads were great.  Yes, there were cracks on some of them.  However, that is weather-related, and not nearly as bad as I was afraid.   Plus, the hazard marking of them was some fo the best I've seen at any event.
  • I don't see how anyone can claim that the non-glass-smooth sections were "rough".  Have you never been on chip-seal?  I would describe this entire bike course as smooth.
  • I won't comment on the buses, because I got there early and had no problems parking or getting on a bus w/i a few minutes.
  • As to the various people I've heard commenting on the wind, two words -- perception bias.  It was not nearly as windy as most people have claimed.  Check out the graph of the actual wind measurements from the closest weather station:   http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KTXMANOR3&month=10&day=5&year=2008
  • Short story?  mostly calm until ~8:30,  5-10mph until around 10:30, 10-15mph after that.  Combine that with the nice cloud cover we had, and I'll be one to say the weather conditions were great!
It was a typical bike course some smooth spots some rough. However, to "describe this entire bike course as smooth" is misleading.
2008-10-07 3:47 PM
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Great race---a couple of logistical pieces that, obviously, Keith has already hit...but thankfully it didn't really mess with the race.  I had a phenomenal time.  The support from the spectators, the aide stations, the costumes, the team tents on the run course, the great post-race spread....I loved it.  It truly is an experience/festival and not "just a race."  You can tell that the RD's care.  I rode the bike course twice prior to this race and ran on the dirt portion of the run course and let tell you that they did SO MUCH to improve what mother nature dealt them as far as the dirt and road cracks.  Minus the road cracks, there was no part of that road that was nasty chip seal--at least not compared to what nasty chip seal in TX is and can be (ask some of the Dallas folks who have lost some routes recently due to it, or anyone that did the Athen's sprint tri...THAT is nasty chip seal)...the stuff we rode on was old, and while not smooth as glass like some of the asphalt, compared to many of the roads, I'm impressed EndorFun could connect 56 miles of that good of road together out here.  And the road cracks that couldn't get fixed were well marked---but man, lots of effort and work went on out there.  Dirt didn't phase me, and being from Central TX I'm used to the wind (I told y'all it blows from all directions here!!).

Congrats to all the finishers!! Keith--to you and your crew, AWESOME job.  To the volunteers, THANK YOU.  To the BT Tent Crew and Jockstrappers--y'all rock!! I think I picked up my pace each time I got on the tent crew road cause I knew I'd get to wave at ya'll soon!! 

The only problem with a race this great is it attracts great athletes...dang my AG was stacked...first time I've ever wanted to age up to the next Age Group to grab a podium spot!  

2008-10-07 9:33 PM
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I'm always amazed that a group of people who live by the HTFU credo and moan about such little things in a sport that demands alot of you as well as the people putting it on.  The bus line was backed up so we walked to transition - no biggie.  Keith had enough sense to push the start back so everyone got a chance to get set up.

I saw the markings and fresh patches on the road and the fresh dirt filling in the run course and was amazed at how much attention to detail there was. 

Kudos to Keith and Endorfun!  As always!!     

2008-10-08 9:24 AM
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Have heard nothing but awesome reviews of the race ... putting something on of this magnitude is not easy.  According to the participants I spoke with, they loved it.

There are some questions about the swim course running a bit short.  Looking at the swim times leads one to believe that to be the case ... there are a lot of 1:03/100 yd paces out there.

Any idea how short the course was?

2008-10-08 9:44 AM
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Most estimates seem to be that the swim was 250-300m short.


2008-10-08 10:30 AM
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This race was awesome!  The swim was great in the fact that I could see feet and bubbles in front of me to draft!  The bike course was very fast, especially the first 30 miles and then bad nutrition on my part I started to feel the effects and had to slow down.  The roads are what they are and as a triathlete one cannot expect perfect roads all the time!  The run was a tough hot run and the support was great from all the volunteers!  I enjoyed myself even though I was brought to a walk many times on the second run loop.  Race well done in my opinion!

Regarding the shuttles, my wife and I came in from the north (290) I think and we didn't run into any problems.  We parked around 5:30 and caught the first shuttle that came up. 

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2008-10-08 11:16 AM
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rbalazs - 2008-10-06 9:45 AM It was a great race but I think there are a few things that need to be addressed. ....

I really have to disagree with a few points here:Anyone who compains about those roads is spoiled.  Overall, those roads were great.  Yes, there were cracks on some of them.  However, that is weather-related, and not nearly as bad as I was afraid.   Plus, the hazard marking of them was some fo the best I've seen at any event.



I have to agree - these roads were much better then I was expecting. The cracks were bad but well marked. I would rather that then chip and seal any day of the week.
2008-10-08 12:58 PM
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davidb - 2008-10-08 9:44 AM

Most estimates seem to be that the swim was 250-300m short.


I heard people talking more like 500m+

My friend, who 2 weeks ago swam a 45-minute swim at OKC Redman, swam a 31-minute swim at Longhorn. She attributed some of it to the "magical" wetsuit I let her borrow, but still. Come on. I can see a plus/minus of maybe 25m but with GPS how can they be hundreds of meters short??? To me, that's not what these people signed up for. Not at all.
2008-10-08 1:13 PM
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I think the swim times can be attributed to the radioactive water.
2008-10-08 1:16 PM
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rbalazs - 2008-10-06 9:45 AM It was a great race but I think there are a few things that need to be addressed. ....

I really have to disagree with a few points here:

  • Decker Lake -- yep, a little weedy, but really not an issue at all except at Swim Out.  Otherwise, visibility is still normal lake visibility.  Heck, I could see slightly beyond my outstreched hand.  That's actually better than most lakes in Texas.  Keith also did a great job this year moving the start away from the boat ramp, which can get very slippery.
  • Yep, the dust was bad, but I really appreciate that they had the grass mowed short on both the race course, areas next to the race course on Decker Lane where spectators could walk, and in the parking area we all had to use for bike dropoff.
  • Anyone who compains about those roads is spoiled.  Overall, those roads were great.  Yes, there were cracks on some of them.  However, that is weather-related, and not nearly as bad as I was afraid.   Plus, the hazard marking of them was some fo the best I've seen at any event.
  • I don't see how anyone can claim that the non-glass-smooth sections were "rough".  Have you never been on chip-seal?  I would describe this entire bike course as smooth.
  • I won't comment on the buses, because I got there early and had no problems parking or getting on a bus w/i a few minutes.
  • As to the various people I've heard commenting on the wind, two words -- perception bias.  It was not nearly as windy as most people have claimed.  Check out the graph of the actual wind measurements from the closest weather station:   http://www.wunderground.com/weatherstation/WXDailyHistory.asp?ID=KTXMANOR3&month=10&day=5&year=2008
  • Short story?  mostly calm until ~8:30,  5-10mph until around 10:30, 10-15mph after that.  Combine that with the nice cloud cover we had, and I'll be one to say the weather conditions were great!

It was a typical bike course some smooth spots some rough. However, to "describe this entire bike course as smooth" is misleading.

Can't speak to the road surfaces in NY, but for comparable road conditions in North Texas,(where David, I, and lots of others posting here live) this was a very nice course.  We are used to the state ruining our best routes with nasty chipseal.  Was there chip seal on this route, yes, but thankfully it was old, and not bad at all.  I would classify the road surface as smooth and fast.  It was not a factor to speed for more than a few miles at most.



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mkmbharris - 2008-10-08 1:13 PM I think the swim times can be attributed to the radioactive water.

that and it was a downhill swim each way... I drove the course the day before on a Jet ski and was amazed at how much elevation change there was

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It was certainly NOT 500 meters off. It may have been 250. It was carefully measured on Saturday, and it was SPOT ON. However, there were 30 mph wind gusts race morning, and some of the buoys shifted just prior to the swim start. I know this because we checked the distance on the swim course with the Park Police at 7:15 AM. It also ruined about 8 tents onsite, by just destroying them.

I wish it didn't happen, as we're meticulous with this stuff. Sometimes, though, Mother Nature gets in the way of the best laid plans. It DOES happen, especially when there are 8 ft tall buoys that can really catch the wind. Each buoy had 2 anchors on it. It takes a pretty strong wind to move them.

As for it not being what your friend signed up for....well, if you're from Kansas and you participated in IM 70.3 Kansas, was the severe thunderstorm what you signed up for???????

How 'bout the flooding rains at IMUSA Lake Placid? Maybe the other races that were cancelled due to inclement weather?

There are certain things that humans can't control. BTW, the bike and run were spot on, as they aren't things affected by huge wind gusts, heavy rains, or other assorted challenges from Mother Nature.

Sorry, just get tired of people always assuming EVERYTHING can be within our control. YES, we KNOW how to measure a swim course....We've done it a few times.....
2008-10-08 4:00 PM
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The swim was short. SO WHAT? Dang.

Triathletes can be such number crunchers. Take a deep breath people. LET IT GO! It's not the end of the world.

And if it made your swim time faster and got you a slot to Clearwater... SO WHAT? Is it really that big of a deal? NO.

Dang. There are more important things in life to worry about people.

2008-10-08 4:17 PM
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Thank you....
Part of the sport is dealing with and adapting to what's thrown at you. I don't think we can build a dome that covers the entire course, unfortunately.

As an RD, I'd prefer EVERYTHING be perfect. We strive for that, and it pains me when I see the swim course off, especially when I watched the crew set it up for about 5 hrs, and make sure it's correct. Then, to check it again race morning, as we knew there were strong winds overnight and in the AM.

It doesn't take much, unfortunately. If a strong enough wind gust occurs, it can move the buoy to the point where it goes off a ledge underwater, and can freefloat until it reaches a like-leveled piece of the bottom.

Our buoys are so large, that they can catch the wind really easily. We had a really difficult time keeping things from flying around at the race site. As mentioned, we lost a bunch of tents.....

EVERYONE needs to be able to adapt. The perfect weather days for races are few and far between. This isn't to make an excuse. I HATE to see this happen. I've also been doing this long enough to know that, no matter how hard we try, we CANNOT control everything.

I'm always amazed at the EXPERTS that come out of the woodwork and figure it must be easy to do all of these things. Seriously, with a GPS, how hard can it be to set a course???? Give it shot, see how you do.....it's easy, right?????

Everyone has a right to criticize, and I have no problem with that. I'm a big boy. What I really dislike is folks dismissing something as "simple." When things look simple, it's because a TON of planning,execution, and hard word have gone into it.
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