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2008-10-09 8:44 AM

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Subject: Moving run to treadmill

Between darkness, weather and time available I need to start running on the treadmill at the gym for at least some of my fall/winter workouts. Knock on wood, but I 've been injury free , increasing mileage and decreasing run time.

Anything to be aware of when I begin moving my runs indoors?

In the past I've done shorter 2-3 miles runs on the treadmill, but never felt great (physically or time wise) about them. I run at 1-2% grade.

my goal for the treadmill is to allow me to continue building up my base.

 



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2008-10-09 9:17 AM
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I found that I somehow run differently on a treadmill when compared to my regular road running.  It probably has to do with the fact that the road surface is so much harder and gives me more bounce.  Whether because of greater effort on softer surface or because of difference in stride, I tend to get injured in my lower legs when running on a treadmill more than a once or twice a week.  And remember, you cannot go with old worn-out shoes even on a treadmill, or you are asking for trouble.
2008-10-09 9:30 AM
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I don't run with an incline.  I know many say use an incline to simulate air resistance.  I say so what?  Just run a little faster to simulate equal effort.  To me, running on a constant incline just hurts. 

If you goal is to build base, there is really no reason, in my mind, to run on a incline. 

2008-10-09 9:34 AM
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I disagree with the premise of the post.  With the exception of a few harsh days per winter, you can run outside on dry pavement safely.  Arm yourself with some reflective gear and a headlamp, and embrace the fresh air!!!
2008-10-09 9:41 AM
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^^

What he said ......

BUT.  If you are absolutely deadset on running on a deathmill, get Daniels' Running Formula.  He has a section of a chapter specifically dedicated to how to set up the treadmill for different workouts to accurately simulate road conditions.

I'd still personally avoid one like the plague.  But that's just me.

2008-10-09 9:57 AM
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I would have to agree with the above, avoid the treadmill, run outdoors. If you HAVE to run indoors, an orthopedic advised using the elliptical. In his professional opinion, treadmills are not our friends. He had some reasons which I have forgotten, but when he explained it, it made sense. Something about running is about gliding, whereas a treadmill pounds you. My duaghter has knee problems and his PT recommendation included elliptical, not treadmill.


2008-10-09 9:58 AM
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morey1 - 2008-10-09 9:34 AM I disagree with the premise of the post.  With the exception of a few harsh days per winter, you can run outside on dry pavement safely.  Arm yourself with some reflective gear and a headlamp, and embrace the fresh air!!!

Donkeys belong in the wild.  Treadmills are necessary at times, but its unnatural.  Come to the dark side and get geared up like Morey said.  Dark runs are especially fun with the creepiness of Halloween just around the corner.  Puts a pep in your step!

2008-10-09 9:59 AM
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Dark, headlamp, random icy spots, uneven surface, not so good for running during weekdays in the winter. I hear ya about it being more fun to run in a snowstorm than on a treadmill, but dark and snowstorm = just say treadmill for me. My preference.

Also the treadmill I have absorbs impact so it is more knee friendly than many or even than outdoors. Dreadmill > not running.

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2008-10-09 12:03 PM
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Fresh air it is then. I"ll check out the threads on headlamps ( never really gave it much thought)-I usually do the blinky light, but I then I can never see.

Thanks for everyone's input! 

2008-10-09 1:56 PM
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Running on a treadmill is not the same as running on solid ground -- there are a few studies showing that the biomechanics of running on a treadmill differ in some significant ways from 'normal' running.  Yes, of course you'll get a workout running on a treadmill, but it is a lot more different from running on the ground than the makers of treadmills would like us to believe.

Treadmills are evil.  Just my opinion.

(This is a case where knowing a little physics is dangerous -- apply a Galilean transformation here and you might conclude that there is absolutely no difference between 'running to keep up' on a treadmill and 'running to move forward' on solid ground.  I've heard this argument more than once, but it's wrong for a few different reasons, a crucial one being that when you run, your feet do not move at a constant velocity relative to your torso while they are on the ground.  On a treadmill, they more or less do and cannot avoid doing so since the belt moves at a constant velocity and your torso more or less stays put.).


 

2008-10-09 2:58 PM
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Ever since I blew out my ACL I can't run on treadmills for too long or too many days in a row.  The treadmill won't adjust for my gait which is now a bit impaired, and so I end up with significant hip pain after a week or so.  I can walk a dreadmill, so I usually pump up the grade to 25-30% (not a typo - I have a hiking treadmill that goes to 45 or 50% grade). It helps to give a cardio workout.  I still hate to run outside, but I love to snowshoe when there is enough snow to make it worthwhile. A great cardio and little risk of falling on ice.


2008-10-09 3:20 PM
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just offering my opinion here...

 

I agree with all the "run on the road" comments.  I think for anyone training for tri's, races etc... it is just better.

That said there are two very specific times when I run on a treadmill.  They are 1) Icy weather.  I live on a mountain, when it's icy, I stay on the mountain and running outside is not wise.  2) I have plantar fascia issues.  When a have a plantar strain/tweak etc... I will run the treadmill so that if I get any serious discomfort I can just stop.  I have been dealing with it long enough now that I am pretty good about knowing when I have pushed too much on the road and the tmill is appropriate.  The other treadmill training I do... and I do it rarely, is to hook up the to resistance band and run sprints with the treadmill in dynamic mode.  (if youre not familar with dynamic it basically means you drive the belt instead of keeping up with it)

Either way you go... get back outside when it suits you and keep it in perspective.  Whats right for me may be wrong for you and so on... have fun and good luck!

2008-10-09 4:36 PM
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I despise treadmills. I run terribly on them. They're just awful. Get some reflective belts, scarves, caps, leggings, and gloves and head out. I also wear lights that blink and flash. One in the front and one in the back. You'll stay safe that way if you make sure that people can see you
2008-10-09 4:56 PM
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RaytownPete - 2008-10-09 7:44 AM
Anything to be aware of when I begin moving my runs indoors?


just be careful not to step off of the moving part and onto the side by mistake. ouchers.

i go for a 0.5 to 1% incline but i see no problem with a previous poster's idea to just go a bit faster.

it is boring. it is dreadful. just think about little mice in a wheel in some lab being observed for the benefit of science.
2008-10-09 5:20 PM
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treadmills: blech.....

2008-10-09 6:00 PM
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Well I like my trreadmill.  I can't always get outside, it's that life stuff like work, and wife and time with my daughter, that decides the road or the treadmill.

That said the Ipod is your friend.  So are stupid shows that you can watch and laugh at without sound.  The only problem I ahve had on mine was turning to look at a picture in the book my daughter was reading out loud to me and I stepped sideways....that sucked.

See running motion and reading time all at once.  You just can't run sideways


 

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2008-10-09 6:07 PM
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It's a means to an end for me.  In general, I don't like treadmills.  I would run outside all the time except for hard rain or if there is snow and ice on the ground (but I live in Vegas, so that means I can run outside year round).

All my plans have shorter runs during the week, that sometimes I get done over the lunch hour at the gym (usually no longer than 45 minutes).  So I set the treadmill at 1% which seems to get my HR up to to the same value as I would running at the same pace on the streets.

Any runs over 45 min. I do after work outside and all my long runs are on the weekend, so I do them outside as well.

45min, maybe an hour, is all I can mentally take on the dreadmill.

2008-10-09 6:10 PM
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RaytownPete - 2008-10-09 12:03 PM

Fresh air it is then. I"ll check out the threads on headlamps ( never really gave it much thought)-I usually do the blinky light, but I then I can never see.

Thanks for everyone's input! 

Good for you!  Trust me, like running in the rain or many other things, winter running outdoors is not NEARLY as bad as it may seem.

The headlamp I use is by energizer and I can generally find it at WalMart.  No one else seems to have it.  $10 max.  It has a LED red or white light option.

  http://www.botachtactical.com/enhead.html

2008-10-09 6:15 PM
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Well, I am a little conflicted. I love to run outside in all kinds of weather - my favorite is running through my beautiful Pacific Northwest forest in a windstorm - ooohhh fun! But now that I am married by husband gets sick with fear when I run at night or take other risks of that nature.

I could press the point and insist on doing things my way - but to keep peace and keep him from worrying to death I have conceeded to run on the stupid mobile during bad weather and at night.

My only other option is to get him to come with me, still working on that one. I say running on the boring mill is better than nothing as long as you have good form.  

2008-10-09 6:20 PM
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The Nat - 2008-10-09 4:15 PM

Well, I am a little conflicted. I love to run outside in all kinds of weather - my favorite is running through my beautiful Pacific Northwest forest in a windstorm - ooohhh fun! But now that I am married by husband gets sick with fear when I run at night or take other risks of that nature.

I could press the point and insist on doing things my way - but to keep peace and keep him from worrying to death I have conceeded to run on the stupid mobile during bad weather and at night.

My only other option is to get him to come with me, still working on that one. I say running on the boring mill is better than nothing as long as you have good form.  

Would carying pepper spray ease his mind?  That's a fear I never have for myself.  I'm a tad intimidating.  But I would be nervous if my wife did it...  Good point.

2008-10-09 7:13 PM
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When I have to I have to, but I prefer the great outdoors


2008-10-10 12:03 PM
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A lot of hate for the treadmill. In my opinion the treadmill is a great tool! Obviously get out when you can and sometimes even when you shouldn't, it's fun running through a huge snowstorm sometimes when everybody driving by is pointing at you like you have 3 heads. But...There are times when it's just not worth it to run outside, like when everything has a layer of ice on it and you risk slipping and falling, when it's all slushy out and your feet are soaked and frozen within the first few strides, and for speedwork it's kinda hard to keep the intensity even when there is all sorts of snowbanks,ice, and slush to avoid.

I say if the treadmill is gonna get you to run when normally you'd look outside and say "Maybe I'll just take an extra rest day today" then go for it! I love my treadmill and as long as you get outside when you can and TRY to do your long runs outside I think that's great!
2008-10-10 1:24 PM
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Run outside.

I may run on a treadmill 2-3 times in a year. I'll run outside in a snowstorm in the dark when it is 15 and have a blast. I don't see anyone but other runners no dog walkers just dedicated runners..makes me feel tough.

Treadmill can change your gait and can make you think you are running faster than you really are. 

I always wonder when I drive by the Y or other fitness center around here when it is nice and day time why folks run on treadmills when the beautiful outdoors is right outside their home.

2008-10-10 1:30 PM
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I think the same thing
2008-10-10 1:39 PM
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I'm definitely not in the majority here, as I do the majority of my running on a dreadmill. But it's not because I don't like running outside...I most certainly do. The problem is, my back and my feet. I have a chronic lower back condition (slipped vertebra) that usually results in quite a bit of pain if I run on hard surfaces like pavement, too often. There are no softer trails near me, so it's the street or nothing when it comes to running outside. I'm also dealing with a severe case of PF right now, so once again...hard surfaces like pavement seem to exacerbate the issue. It may not be the best option, but the treadmill at least provides a way for me to get some running in. Like another poster noted - treadmill > not running. Hopefully, my new custom orthotics will help with the PF and enable me to run outside a few times a week...or as much as my back can handle.

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