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Should Macca have finished the race?
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Who am I to say, it's his call.
Yes, but only because he is the defending champion
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2008-10-12 12:55 PM

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Subject: Should Macca have finished the race?

Yesterday during the Ironman World Championships, Chris "Macca" McCormick, the defending champion, withdrew during the bike course due to mechanical issues. There were reports it was about a 20 min fix.

So the question, should he have finished the race regardless of how his time would have ended up?

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2008-10-12 1:04 PM
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He's the defending world champ at Kona, he made a professional decision that not one of us have ever had to contemplate (or likely ever will)

While I respected Beke's statement last year that "pulling out would have been an insult to all the AGer's out there," I personally don't consider it an insult if a pro drops out during a bad day.   And, for the record, he did drop out at IMAZ (I think)

I don't think a pro has to finish a race if it becomes clear to them that they are out of the running.  That's a game time decision they have to make.  Nothing to prove at that point, and suffering through a marathon and potentially injuring yourself and harming future revenue opportunities is a decision a pro has to make.  He has races (or at least one left) this season.

Obvisouly CW made the opposite decision to take a pee break while trying to fix her flat, turned out to be the right one for her

All my long winded way of saying I can't say yes or no for him, in that situation.

2008-10-12 1:48 PM
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I checked, "No." And it's not to say that he should not have finished the race, it's just to say that I am okay with him not finishing.
2008-10-12 3:28 PM
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Subject: RE: Should Macca have finished the race?

I'm swayed towards the "yes". I KNOW that he's a pro, and his income is racing and such, and I'll NEVER be in his shoes.  However, I've always raced with the the mentality that if I can put one foot in front of the other, or somehow find a way to move forward, then I will reach the finish line, reguardless of the time. 

For me at least, if I quit just ONE TIME, it opens the door to do it again, and I'm just not sure I could close that door if I open it even once.  But then again, my next race doesn't put food on the table either.

2008-10-12 4:38 PM
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I think it's a whole 'nother story when you're doing it for the money. Pulling out the top guys is the norm in football/basketball when the game is out of reach. I've never seen that in a flag football game
2008-10-12 4:53 PM
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Subject: RE: Should Macca have finished the race?
"should one finnish the race" its a personal desicion, we can not say he should or should not only that "i would have" or he could have?--i think it was last year or 2 years ago the person who took 4th the year before walked the entire marathon.


2008-10-12 5:03 PM
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Did Stadler finish in 2006 after getting his 2 flats?  Just curious.      

I kind of wish he would have and I would have respected that a lot bet I understand why any pro wouldn't.

2008-10-12 5:26 PM
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2008-10-12 5:47 PM
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Subject: RE: Should Macca have finished the race?
thing is about triathlon, once you get that pace going for that long of a time if you have to stop for 20 minutes or whatnot, or stop twice during the race for 8 + mins its really can mess up your legs I dont blame him.  Whats the point of doing it if your not gonna finish at your goal time plus the facts I just mentioned.  he could damage his tendons.
2008-10-12 6:02 PM
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Subject: RE: Should Macca have finished the race?

I don't care.

By not running he will recover better. Clearly I'm not a pro but knowing they make their money from finishing well. Make the game time decision that he wasn't going to finish in the money so why beat up his body makes sense.

I do like/admire those pros who do finish just to finish but understand when they don't.

2008-10-12 6:14 PM
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I say no (not that it really matters much), I just don't see the point for him to keep going on.  Here is why

1) He will not win the race at that point.  THis is his profession, it is 100% different for him than for us.

2) He (and we) knows that he can finish an Ironman, so nothing to prove there.

3)  He doesn't disrespect other athletes by not finishing.  In fact by him not being out there means more food and liquid for everyone else.   I think he has a great respect for the sport.  It isn't like he is running by age groupers spitting on them. 

4)  Him just finishing doesnt' make anyone else's finish more or less meaningful.  I doubt the guy or gal that finished in 16 hours really cares if Macca finished or not.  THey are pumped that they finished. 

 



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2008-10-12 7:05 PM
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KathyG - 2008-10-13 11:02 AM

By not running he will recover better.

Good point - look for Macca to pop up in a race sometime soon where he will clean up and collect some nice winnings.  It won't make up fopr not winning Kona, but he's a pro and has to maintain his profile and earn the $$.

As much as he loves the sport it is still a business transaction for a pro.

2008-10-12 7:13 PM
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It would be interesting to see if he uses the same bike components next time around.
I think he made the right decision by dropping out.
2008-10-12 7:22 PM
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I posted "don't care" cuz in the end is his choice and it doesn't affect me one bit. My respect and admiration for him and other Pros has nothing to do whether they finish a race or no, they don't owe me anything. Unlike AGers, racing is their job and risking their bodies can equal whether to bring a paycheck home or not. Also as I said on the watching thread, I think his perspective is very different to what any of us can think/understand. He was there to win the IM Champhionship and I doubt anyone was more dissapointed by it than him. We all have good and bad days, it is the nature of the sport.
2008-10-12 8:27 PM
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Subject: RE: Should Macca have finished the race?
Gerrard - 2008-10-12 8:05 PM
KathyG - 2008-10-13 11:02 AM

By not running he will recover better.

Good point - look for Macca to pop up in a race sometime soon where he will clean up and collect some nice winnings.  It won't make up fopr not winning Kona, but he's a pro and has to maintain his profile and earn the $$.

As much as he loves the sport it is still a business transaction for a pro.

Silverman?



2008-10-12 8:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Should Macca have finished the race?
I thought about the "don't care" option but went with the "no" option for the reasons others have stated.
2008-10-12 9:00 PM
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Subject: RE: Should Macca have finished the race?
Gerrard - 2008-10-13 8:05 AM
KathyG - 2008-10-13 11:02 AM

By not running he will recover better.

Good point - look for Macca to pop up in a race sometime soon where he will clean up and collect some nice winnings.  It won't make up fopr not winning Kona, but he's a pro and has to maintain his profile and earn the $$.

As much as he loves the sport it is still a business transaction for a pro.

God I hope its IM WA!!  would be so awesome for him to race in Busso!  Theres a tidy prize pool for anyone who breaks the world record there.

I'd be so excited to be racing on the same course.  perfect timing on Dec 7th

2008-10-12 9:06 PM
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splerph - 2008-10-12 7:00 PM
Gerrard - 2008-10-13 8:05 AM
KathyG - 2008-10-13 11:02 AM

By not running he will recover better.

Good point - look for Macca to pop up in a race sometime soon where he will clean up and collect some nice winnings.  It won't make up fopr not winning Kona, but he's a pro and has to maintain his profile and earn the $$.

As much as he loves the sport it is still a business transaction for a pro.

God I hope its IM WA!!  would be so awesome for him to race in Busso!  Theres a tidy prize pool for anyone who breaks the world record there.

I'd be so excited to be racing on the same course.  perfect timing on Dec 7th

As noted above, he's returning to Silverman - altho he's doing the hallf, so maybe it's an IM WA training day!



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2008-10-12 9:09 PM
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Subject: RE: Should Macca have finished the race?
Although it is true that placing in the money is very important for a pro, so is the sponsorship dollars, which are validated not only by placing but by the coverage a pro receives while on the course. Sponsorship dollars pay for the majority of their yearly income. Macca wasn't injured and was prepared, so continuing on would have not been an immediate health concern and would have provided his sponsors with additional coverage as well as the media attention would have stayed on him to some degree. Even if he had finished 20th, they would have been a lot of buzz about his effort and a finish line interview with his sponsor logos on display.

It's curious how the yes vote is leading this poll yet all the comments are from thoe that didn't care or said no.

Edited by bryancd 2008-10-12 9:10 PM
2008-10-12 9:16 PM
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yes. it's his job. he quit his job in the middle when he was perfectly capable of finishing just a little later than normal. we've all had to stay at our jobs a little longer when glitches occur. i am irritated by him quitting. i think he still should've finished. he was healthy and capable. just my opinion, but then again, that's what this is for. booo macca.


2008-10-12 9:56 PM
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I say no.  He has nothing to prove to anyone.  Had he continued on, he would not have gotten any additional TV time of consequense, so I say drop out.  This means there is little to no receovery from this effort, so he's still primed to go for IMAZ or IMFL or just to start training again.
2008-10-12 10:47 PM
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The last I heard he had an internal cable break preventing him from shifting between the big and small ring. If this is accurate why didn't he just manually put it into the big ring and ride the rest of the way like that?

Chrissy could have stopped for a 20 minute repair and still won

 

2008-10-12 10:51 PM
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ChrisM - 2008-10-13 10:06 AM
splerph - 2008-10-12 7:00 PM
Gerrard - 2008-10-13 8:05 AM
KathyG - 2008-10-13 11:02 AM

By not running he will recover better.

Good point - look for Macca to pop up in a race sometime soon where he will clean up and collect some nice winnings.  It won't make up fopr not winning Kona, but he's a pro and has to maintain his profile and earn the $$.

As much as he loves the sport it is still a business transaction for a pro.

God I hope its IM WA!!  would be so awesome for him to race in Busso!  Theres a tidy prize pool for anyone who breaks the world record there.

I'd be so excited to be racing on the same course.  perfect timing on Dec 7th

As noted above, he's returning to Silverman - altho he's doing the hallf, so maybe it's an IM WA training day!

I'm thinking the $50000 on offer for a record IM time might be a good incentive for IM WA. 

2008-10-12 11:49 PM
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Subject: RE: Should Macca have finished the race?
Big fat "don't care" from me.

I have a ton of respect for Macca as a pro (and as a person after he gave a pre-race talk to the Disney Studios participants in Malibu Tri and hung out for ages afterwards) and would have loved to see him finish. But--as others have already said for their own parts--as an amateur, I'm in no position at all to judge what was going on for him at Kona. I rode 13 miles on a busted rear wheel to finish my last tri even though I knew I was going to be brutally disappointed in my time (hell, I did the run on a sprint after breaking my wrist coming off the bike last year, come to think of it), but I still totally understand a pro dropping out...apples and oranges, really, and I certainly don't see any implied disrespect, let alone any disrespect intended.
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