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2009-01-08 8:11 AM

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Subject: high elbow drills?
I have seen a lot lately about keep the elbows high/up in the swm stroke, which is something I stink at.  Anybody have some drill suggestions to practice this high elbow position?


2009-01-08 8:18 AM
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2009-01-08 9:43 AM
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Bob
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Subject: RE: high elbow drills?

Try concentrating on "reaching over a barrell" when you first start to pull. That will put your elbow in the right position. You will really start to feel fatigue in the lats when you are doing this correctly.

Also, make sure your hands are entering in front of your shoulders and not in front of your head. It's hard to get the high elbow if your hand is in front of your head. I hope this helps.

Fred's article explains it well too!

2009-01-08 9:50 AM
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2009-01-08 9:53 AM
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PennState - 2009-01-08 10:50 AM Bob once told me to visualize a 2x4 board extending from the shoulder directly in front of you, and you should aim hand entry along this plane... that is avoid crossing over and enterring in front of the head.

How sweet for you to remember Fred.

2009-01-08 9:54 AM
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If you want to get used to keeping your hand straight and not bending your wrist, these are great:
http://www.finisinc.com/products-tr-forearmfulcrum.shtml
(edit) You just about have to use the high elbow to swim with them and not have them fall off

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2009-01-08 9:57 AM
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The way the swim coach I worked with had me quickly stop going accross my center was to swim with one arm extended holding a kickboard sideways, then drill swim with the other arm.  As soon as you go accross your body, you slap and hit the kick board, which makes you adjust pretty darn quickly!

Getting the EVF is tricky for me.  I seem to be pretty natural at it with my left arm, but my right always wants to dip and it is hard to break that habit, especially once I get tired.

2009-01-08 10:00 AM
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I'm not going to give Rick any swim tips for fear that he'll catch me before the finish line at Eagleman!

Maybe one tip - Baggy shorts make you swim faster!!

Sorry for the hijack, I'll copy this in the Eagleman forum.



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2009-01-08 10:01 AM
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2009-01-08 10:08 AM
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I'm just tying your pull chord on your wetsuit to me anyways Fred, so I don't even need to do any work. Tongue out
2009-01-08 10:15 AM
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Finger drag - so when you're bringing your arm out of the water your fingers should drag on the surface of the water as close as possible to your body.  (Range of motion will dictate if you can actually touch your body from your hips to your armpits or not.)

That will encourage high elbows.



2009-01-08 2:36 PM
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Silver_wlf - 2009-01-08 11:15 AM

Finger drag - so when you're bringing your arm out of the water your fingers should drag on the surface of the water as close as possible to your body.  (Range of motion will dictate if you can actually touch your body from your hips to your armpits or not.)

That will encourage high elbows.

Yeah, on your recovery ....... not in the water on your pull ........

2009-01-08 2:41 PM
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2009-01-08 3:38 PM
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Not sure I get how ........
2009-01-08 4:18 PM
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PennState - 2009-01-08 3:41 PM
Daremo - 2009-01-08 3:36 PM
Silver_wlf - 2009-01-08 11:15 AM

Finger drag - so when you're bringing your arm out of the water your fingers should drag on the surface of the water as close as possible to your body.  (Range of motion will dictate if you can actually touch your body from your hips to your armpits or not.)

That will encourage high elbows.

Yeah, on your recovery ....... not in the water on your pull ........

Actually high elbows on recovery also encourage the start of high elbows on the pull.

That's a bit of a stretch. I guess if you can picture a marionette handler controlling your high elbow during your recovery and setting your arm in the water in front of your shoulder where there happens to be a barrel just under the surface of the water and you reach over that barrel to start your pull .......... it could possibly encourage high elbows on the pull.

2009-01-08 5:43 PM
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Subject: RE: high elbow drills?
I think this is a great drill for high elbow catch - watching this one was what helped it finally "click" for me.

http://www.goswim.tv/entries/5484/freestyle---practice-the-catch.ht...


2009-01-08 7:08 PM
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Good stuff. I like the videos and will try out some tomorrow.
2009-01-09 1:42 PM
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PennState - 2009-01-08 9:18 AM

Here is a short blog article I did a while back.

http://happyvalleyironman.blogspot.com/2008/08/early-vertical-forearm-evf.html

The part about the 'tech paddles' I would ignore, as I don't think they are that great, but there are some nice videos at the bottom of the article, which can help. BTW, EVF = Early Vertical Forearm... which really means "high elbow".

Hope it helps



I'll definitely try to practice some of this during my next swim workout. Good Stuff here, thanx
2009-01-09 3:18 PM
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2009-01-09 3:30 PM
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PennState - 2009-01-09 4:18 PM What do you guys focus on during swimming?

Aside from the lady with the nice body a few lanes over??

I usually focus on "Gawd, will this 500 never end???"

2009-01-09 5:01 PM
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PennState - 2009-01-09 4:18 PM

What do you guys focus on during swimming?



Reach for the can on the top shelf, reach for the can on the top shelf....


2009-01-09 7:06 PM
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I really slowed down today and focus on drills and not speed.  That was a nice change.  At the end of my workout, I had to try a few quick runs and put it all together.  What a huge difference!  I swear I was taking 8-10 seconds off each 50yrd.  Thanks!
2009-01-09 9:58 PM
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Once again, from a carpy swimmer here, thanks for the tips!
2009-01-09 10:52 PM
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Subject: RE: high elbow drills?

The reaching over the barrel image helps me.  So also does the image of being on a surfboard and having to paddle on either side (so your elbows stay high to avoid banging into the surf board).


2009-01-10 11:28 AM
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PennState - 2009-01-09 4:18 PM

What do you guys focus on during swimming?

What the heck I'm going to be doing for my next set.

Actually, for the past 30+ years I have always counted my strokes per length and continue to do so. If the stroke count goes up it's usually due to my elbow dropping and not getting a good catch, shortening my finish by pulling my hand out above my waist or a combination of both. 

Stroke count is direct feedback to efficiency. Once you start to run out of gas in a workout it is that much more important to stretch your stroke out and swim more efficiently. It's a hard thing to do when you are trying to push hard but it's an important thing to learn.

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