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I was wondering what different kind of swim strokes are allowed in a race.

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2009-09-14 7:21 AM
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All of them are legal to use.
2009-09-14 7:23 AM
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as far as i know you can do any stroke you want.  yesterday at a race i saw people doing backstroke, breast, floating, sinking, and everything in between.  except butterfly.  for some reason no one was doing butterfly.
2009-09-14 10:39 AM
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I saw people walking.  Yes, the lake was that shallow.  Yes, walking is legal; at least up until it gets over your head, and then it is stupid. 

As long as you round the bouys, it doesn't matter how you get there. 

But getting a tow by holding the ankle of the person in front of you is not legal.
2009-09-14 10:45 AM
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BUTTERFLY!!

Ha that is funny.  That would be a goal, do butterfly on the next swim. 

2009-09-14 10:47 AM
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EricMPeterson - 2009-09-14 5:17 AM I was wondering what different kind of swim strokes are allowed in a race.

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Any stroke variant that you like is legal to use in a race. You can't use flotation devices or propulsion devices (such as hand paddles/gloves, flippers, floaties, etc.) Oddly enough, you CAN use a snorkel.

You MAY hang on a buoy, kayak, rescue boat, etc. as long as you do not get any movement assistance.

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tkd.teacher - 2009-09-14 11:47 AM
EricMPeterson - 2009-09-14 5:17 AM I was wondering what different kind of swim strokes are allowed in a race.

Thanks in advance

Eric Peterson


Any stroke variant that you like is legal to use in a race. You can't use flotation devices or propulsion devices (such as hand paddles/gloves, flippers, floaties, etc.) Oddly enough, you CAN use a snorkel.

You MAY hang on a buoy, kayak, rescue boat, etc. as long as you do not get any movement assistance.

John


I read that the snorkel is "legal" because it is not a propulsion device but a race director could DQ you if they felt like it.  The only case where a snorkel should be OK is if a person has limited neck mobility.
2009-09-14 11:20 AM
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Most people swim crawl because it is the fastest, but anything goes.

Interestingly, in competitive swimming "freestyle" events, you can swim anything you want (corkscrew, sidestroke, butteryfly, etc.).   Michael Phelps and others choose crawl because it is faster than the other options.

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famelec - 2009-09-14 12:20 PM

Interestingly, in competitive swimming "freestyle" events, you can swim anything you want (corkscrew, sidestroke, butteryfly, etc.).  


I was at a swim meet where one guy did exactly that. I believe it was a 200 yd freestyle. He did backstroke, side stroke, crawl, breast stroke and everyone was looking around like, WTF? Yup, freestyle is anything that gets you through the water
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DanielG - 2009-09-14 11:28 AM
famelec - 2009-09-14 12:20 PM Interestingly, in competitive swimming "freestyle" events, you can swim anything you want (corkscrew, sidestroke, butteryfly, etc.).  
I was at a swim meet where one guy did exactly that. I believe it was a 200 yd freestyle. He did backstroke, side stroke, crawl, breast stroke and everyone was looking around like, WTF? Yup, freestyle is anything that gets you through the water


You can swim anything in a freestyle event, but oddly you're somewhat limited on the free portion of in IM (individual medley or medley relay.  When I swam as a kid way back when, the starter would announce the 100 yd IM as one length each of fly, back, breast, and "one other stroke".  I never understood what that was about until many years later... While obviously crawl is the stroke of choice, the last stroke of the medley actually cannot be fly, back, or breast.    

I'll have to check the rulebook, but I was thinking that in a freestyle event you have to swim the same stroke for the entire race.  I might be mistaken.  It's fun to find some of the obscure rules.

Brian

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In two of the 5 races I did this year people were WALKING!  And one was an OWS yesterday.  As long as you get from point A to point B you're ok.


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KeriKadi - 2009-09-14 3:53 PM In two of the 5 races I did this year people were WALKING!  And one was an OWS yesterday.  As long as you get from point A to point B you're ok.


In competitive swimming you're allowed to touch the bottom of the pool as long as you don't use the touch to propel you forward.  I disqualify 6 year olds for this every summer.  Walking on the bottom of a pool is a no-no.  You'd think that the rule would be the same in triathlon (I don't claim to have read the rules), but I don't think anyone would care one way or the other in triathlon. 

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You can do what you want to move forward.  However, I would add that if you're considering backstroke as a "backup" (which I did early on), it's extremely difficult in a race.  You will run into people, you cannot see where you're going, etc.  I find the sidestroke to be more useful if I cannot freestyle for some reason.

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famelec - 2009-09-14 12:20 PM Interestingly, in competitive swimming "freestyle" events, you can swim anything you want (corkscrew, sidestroke, butteryfly, etc.).  
I was at a swim meet where one guy did exactly that. I believe it was a 200 yd freestyle. He did backstroke, side stroke, crawl, breast stroke and everyone was looking around like, WTF? Yup, freestyle is anything that gets you through the water


You can swim anything in a freestyle event, but oddly you're somewhat limited on the free portion of in IM (individual medley or medley relay.  When I swam as a kid way back when, the starter would announce the 100 yd IM as one length each of fly, back, breast, and "one other stroke".  I never understood what that was about until many years later... While obviously crawl is the stroke of choice, the last stroke of the medley actually cannot be fly, back, or breast.    

I'll have to check the rulebook, but I was thinking that in a freestyle event you have to swim the same stroke for the entire race.  I might be mistaken.  It's fun to find some of the obscure rules.

Brian


Nope. No rule about the same stroke that I can find.

Head must break the surface, you have to break the surface no more than 15m from each wall, some part of the body must touch the wall on turns.

Oddly enough, you can sink to the bottom and touch in a freestyle race and not be DQ'd, but ONLY in a freestyle race. All other races you WILL be dq'd.

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2009-09-14 5:15 PM
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Speaking of fly, how about a mile of it?

http://www-ee.stanford.edu/~darosa/

Records in the 20:xx range...madness...just pure madness...

Interesting thread on the USMS forums about distance fly:http://forums.usms.org/showthread.php?t=479
2009-09-15 12:49 AM
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Thanks for the info. I have not done a tri yet because I can not swim for more than 100m at a time. for some reason my cardio is fine with running and biking but I am out of breath really fast when I swim. I hopefully will get some swim lessons with the ymca.

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Don't worry.  You'll be surprised at how fast it comes.  Seems many people report having a "swimmer's breakthough."   Esp. since you're getting lessons at the Y. 

I couldn't even swim 50 yards when I first tried!  I started lessons on July 7 and swam my first non-stop mile 6 weeks later.  I'm still much to slow, but felt I needed to get the distance endurance before tackling speed.

The lessons will really help.  You can do it...
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tkd.teacher - 2009-09-14 4:46 PM
famelec - 2009-09-14 1:51 PM
DanielG - 2009-09-14 11:28 AM
famelec - 2009-09-14 12:20 PM Interestingly, in competitive swimming "freestyle" events, you can swim anything you want (corkscrew, sidestroke, butteryfly, etc.).  
I was at a swim meet where one guy did exactly that. I believe it was a 200 yd freestyle. He did backstroke, side stroke, crawl, breast stroke and everyone was looking around like, WTF? Yup, freestyle is anything that gets you through the water


You can swim anything in a freestyle event, but oddly you're somewhat limited on the free portion of in IM (individual medley or medley relay.  When I swam as a kid way back when, the starter would announce the 100 yd IM as one length each of fly, back, breast, and "one other stroke".  I never understood what that was about until many years later... While obviously crawl is the stroke of choice, the last stroke of the medley actually cannot be fly, back, or breast.    

I'll have to check the rulebook, but I was thinking that in a freestyle event you have to swim the same stroke for the entire race.  I might be mistaken.  It's fun to find some of the obscure rules.

Brian


Nope. No rule about the same stroke that I can find.

Head must break the surface, you have to break the surface no more than 15m from each wall, some part of the body must touch the wall on turns.

Oddly enough, you can sink to the bottom and touch in a freestyle race and not be DQ'd, but ONLY in a freestyle race. All other races you WILL be dq'd.

John


Yeah, this was also bothering me last night.  I was sure I was right, but didn't recall ever having read the rule, just being told it.  I checked the rules this morning, and you're right, basically any thing goes for freestyle regardless of whether it's part of an IM or med relay.

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famelec - 2009-09-15 8:02 AM

Yeah, this was also bothering me last night.  I was sure I was right, but didn't recall ever having read the rule, just being told it.  I checked the rules this morning, and you're right, basically any thing goes for freestyle regardless of whether it's part of an IM or med relay.

Brian


Not quite. You can't repeat a stroke in an IM or relay. So you couldn't do butterfly, breast, back, back.

John
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