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uhcoog - 2012-10-02 8:22 AM

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Steve- I've always wanted to build a bike from the ground up.  Getting to pick out the paint scheme on top of that will be awesome.  I think the next time I buy a TT bike I'm just going to buy the frame and build it out myself. 

 

Flexibility is big for me, especially after my ITBS bout a while back.  I like yoga, and sport specific yoga to be exact.  There are a few books/vids out there for endurance athletes.  I just use a few poses, don't ask me the names as I have no clue, that I've found helpful and incorporate it into some of the stuff I picked up in PT from the ITBS.  I find it relaxing now. 

 

Off season is going to be fairly short for me.  I'm thinking a few weeks off and then back into base building.  We'll see what other people have in mind for me though.  Wink

 

This morning was a recovery swim for me.  There were some really fast folks I know in the pool this morning so I took a minute to watch.  I'm pretty sure I've been over rotating.  Let it be more natural and I felt much smoother in the water for the last 2/3 of my swim. 

Why do you feel you're over rotating?  Have you ever had swim video analysis done?  If not, I recommend doing it after your HIM.  It really helped me to see where the flaws were in my stroke.  I will probably do it again after I work my swim this winter just to assess what I need to fix via drills.    



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Just saw that Eagleman registration opens next week - I feel like I have a devil and an angel sitting on my shoulder - do it, don't do it, do it, don't do it.....can I ? Should I? I know you all are going the ironman distance, I just am having a problem committing to the half distance!
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DDVMM - 2012-10-02 12:05 PM Just saw that Eagleman registration opens next week - I feel like I have a devil and an angel sitting on my shoulder - do it, don't do it, do it, don't do it.....can I ? Should I? I know you all are going the ironman distance, I just am having a problem committing to the half distance!

I want to say DO IT, but I also know that you have to be 100% ready to commit to a new goal, and something is obviously keeping you from signing up.  Do you know why you feel that way?  I think you absolutely can do Eagleman.  I also think you can do Eagleman feeling confident, strong, and fit because you work very hard.  I just know that I had a similar feeling when I was contemplating IMMT, and I still feel like I might have made the wrong decision.  These are tough calls for us newbies   

I didn't finish my first olympic in Chicago and say, OMG, I have to go do another olympic distance triathlon as soon as possible.  I did say that after Cedar Point.  It was the same feeling I had after I ran my first road race.....that, OMG, I have to sign up for another HIM now because that was so awesome  I felt high after Cedar Point!  Truly amazing.  It's my favorite distance I've raced to date.  Maybe you'll have the same experience, Michele.     

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DDVMM - 2012-10-02 12:05 PM Just saw that Eagleman registration opens next week - I feel like I have a devil and an angel sitting on my shoulder - do it, don't do it, do it, don't do it.....can I ? Should I? I know you all are going the ironman distance, I just am having a problem committing to the half distance!

I want to say DO IT, but I also know that you have to be 100% ready to commit to a new goal, and something is obviously keeping you from signing up.  Do you know why you feel that way?  I think you absolutely can do Eagleman.  I also think you can do Eagleman feeling confident, strong, and fit because you work very hard.  I just know that I had a similar feeling when I was contemplating IMMT, and I still feel like I might have made the wrong decision.  These are tough calls for us newbies   

I didn't finish my first olympic in Chicago and say, OMG, I have to go do another olympic distance triathlon as soon as possible.  I did say that after Cedar Point.  It was the same feeling I had after I ran my first road race.....that, OMG, I have to sign up for another HIM now because that was so awesome  I felt high after Cedar Point!  Truly amazing.  It's my favorite distance I've raced to date.  Maybe you'll have the same experience, Michele.     

That's how I felt after my first IM. Well, maybe not right after, but about 2 hours later I was on cloud 9 figuring out which one was next. Just wait Jen, you made the right decision.

Michele - I think you should DO IT! Challenge yourself, we all know you can do it.

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jarvy01 - 2012-10-02 8:16 AM

An ultra?!!  Wow!  That's a goal for you!  I've never been to a chiropractor so can't comment there.  Why do you feel off kilter?

**edited to add -- how do you go about training for an ultra?

Oh, because I'm walking around kind of stiff and creaky. Things just don't feel "right" if that makes sense. Although since I got to work I've really loosened up, A LOT! It's so bizarre, it comes and goes as far as severity goes.

I have no idea how to train for an ultra. My friend sent me a plan she found on the internet, but I had to point out to her that we would be well into that plan based on our race date, and the week we would be starting at had a 22 mile run this past weekend. So we tossed that aside and her husband put together a different plan for her/us. It's much better and pretty much how he trained when he did his ultra. (But I'm still no where near the mileage I need to be at.) I was thinking that if I finish Savannah marathon, this is only 5 - 6 weeks later, and I only have to add on 4 more miles, so it seems doable. We'll see, I have not signed up yet, playing it by ear.

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jarvy01 - 2012-10-02 8:21 AM

My goals for this fall and winter are to 1) run lots; 2) work on strength and core muscles; 3) flexibility; and 4) run some more.  I don't have any races scheduled until early April, so I have lots and lots of time to focus on all of these things.    

I'd also like to lose 7-8 lbs.  It seems like when I read about weight loss and athletics, the general thought is to work on the loss during the off season.  I think I'm going to try Weight Watchers again before and during the holidays to get things under control.  I had a lot of success with that program after I had each of my babies.  Simple calorie counting isn't doing the job right now.  

With your volume of training, this is a really not a good program. 

First, points aren't actual units of anything, they're not energy units, they're not macro nutrient units, they're not micro nutrient units, they're essentially a made up number.  Second, WW works for people who are generally non-active by placing them on a very low calorie diet with little regard to the quality or timing of the intake.  For the volume of training you do, the point allocation is not going to work. 

WW can do wonderful things for some people, but I don't think its a good route for an endurance athelte.



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karen26.2 - 2012-10-02 7:59 AM

Steve - can't wait to see your frame built up. (How do you learn to build a bike - I barely know how to properly clean mine!)

Jen - I think flexibility is very important, and does seem to get worse. I've never been flexible, but it has really gotten bad these last few years. I know I need to do something about it, but it's just no fun.

As far as winter goals - mine is to not gain anymore weight! Seriously! But I have a marathon in a month (although I seriously am thinking of seeing if anyone wants my number), and I told a friend I would do an ultra in December. My body feels so off kilter right now I'm not sure what this winter will bring.

Speaking of off kilter - how does everyone feel about chiropractors? I've never been one to go, but my lower back is so jacked up (causing sciatic pain) that I'm thinking of giving it a try. But they scare me! My husband swears by his, but he's kind of a freak of nature. You can practically look at him and his back will crack. The couple of times I have gone to a chiropractor I was so tense it took them a while to actually do any adjustments. But I'm getting desperate!

Based on the recovery needed post-marathon and your desire to do the ultra, I think either running the half or skipping the marathon would be a good idea.  Even if you walk the second half of the marathon, you're still going to be fried post race and need to recover (which will impede ultra training) and I think that the ultra is the more important race to you.

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jarvy01 - 2012-10-02 12:01 PM

What exercises are you doing to address goal #1?  Just curious, as I am working the same areas in my strength training.  

I don't know the names of some of these so I'll give a description.

Lying on half moon ball I do side leg raises for 30 reps and then I do an extension type movement with the top leg paralell to the ground and then I drop it below paralell for 30 seconds for a stretch. I find these really work the flexors and side glutes.

Abdominal leg raises for hip flexors.

Plank and side planks.

Cable side extensions.

Leg presses and squats.

Hyperextensions

On a core board standing on one foot I extend the top hand to the sky and keep my head through toe level and parallel to the ground maintaining for one minute then switching legs.

There's a bunch of others but those are the ones I do the most.

I've run the last two days and can honestly say I've noticed the difference in my hips being a lot stronger and more stable.

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DDVMM - 2012-10-02 12:03 PM Kelly - just a curious question - did you wear your hedgehog kit? If so, pictures??

Yes.

Have not seen pictures yet (although I wore a long sleeve top and a bolero on the bike that covered up the top of the kit).

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karen26.2 - 2012-10-02 1:26 PM
jarvy01 - 2012-10-02 8:16 AM

An ultra?!!  Wow!  That's a goal for you!  I've never been to a chiropractor so can't comment there.  Why do you feel off kilter?

**edited to add -- how do you go about training for an ultra?

Oh, because I'm walking around kind of stiff and creaky. Things just don't feel "right" if that makes sense. Although since I got to work I've really loosened up, A LOT! It's so bizarre, it comes and goes as far as severity goes.

I have no idea how to train for an ultra. My friend sent me a plan she found on the internet, but I had to point out to her that we would be well into that plan based on our race date, and the week we would be starting at had a 22 mile run this past weekend. So we tossed that aside and her husband put together a different plan for her/us. It's much better and pretty much how he trained when he did his ultra. (But I'm still no where near the mileage I need to be at.) I was thinking that if I finish Savannah marathon, this is only 5 - 6 weeks later, and I only have to add on 4 more miles, so it seems doable. We'll see, I have not signed up yet, playing it by ear.

There's a couple of different ways to train for an ultra.  Regardless, the biggest issue is getting the total running volume up.  I'm not a big fan of a super-long long run.  I think it puts way too much stress on the body and creates a massive recovery deficit (e.g. a 22 mile run on Sunday for most people pretty much kills your ability to do quality training on Monday and Tuesday). 

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DDVMM - 2012-10-02 12:05 PM Just saw that Eagleman registration opens next week - I feel like I have a devil and an angel sitting on my shoulder - do it, don't do it, do it, don't do it.....can I ? Should I? I know you all are going the ironman distance, I just am having a problem committing to the half distance!

You can totally do it.  Eagleman is a very good race for a first timer.



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For those of you who might be interested the Rev 3 Team Application is open:

http://rev3tri.com/news/2013-team-rev3-sponsorship-application/

 

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DDVMM - 2012-10-02 12:05 PM Just saw that Eagleman registration opens next week - I feel like I have a devil and an angel sitting on my shoulder - do it, don't do it, do it, don't do it.....can I ? Should I? I know you all are going the ironman distance, I just am having a problem committing to the half distance!

I decided on a second season of halfs vs going to the full and Eagleman is on my list of races I'm highly considering. It's definitely a step up in volume from the Olympic but I found it very rewarding. You won't regret making the leap.

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Thanks everyone for your encouragement.

 

Jen - were you a psychology major?? LOL I think I am just afraid I won't be able to finish the distance in the allotted time. The other issue (that no one even IRL knows) is that I may be dealing with a recurrence of cancer - if thats the case, I may affect my training ability for an uncertain time period. I won't know for another 10-14 days. I am not looking for responses to this, but that is part of my reservation - I want to be able to do it right. I guess I can always register and if need be, defer to another year.

 

Thanks again everyone!

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DDVMM - 2012-10-02 7:24 PM

Thanks everyone for your encouragement.

 

Jen - were you a psychology major?? LOL I think I am just afraid I won't be able to finish the distance in the allotted time. The other issue (that no one even IRL knows) is that I may be dealing with a recurrence of cancer - if thats the case, I may affect my training ability for an uncertain time period. I won't know for another 10-14 days. I am not looking for responses to this, but that is part of my reservation - I want to be able to do it right. I guess I can always register and if need be, defer to another year.

 

Thanks again everyone!

I am really sorry to hear this, Michele.  I am one to stay positive until I hear final test results, so this is how I'm going to be for you, but I imagine you are under an incredible amount of stress right now.  Hang in there, mama!  I think the HIM is absolutely doable if you are in good health.  I really do.  I think you'll finish with plenty of time to spare as well.

Oh, and actually, yes, I have a BA in psychology  

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My goals for this fall and winter are to 1) run lots; 2) work on strength and core muscles; 3) flexibility; and 4) run some more.  I don't have any races scheduled until early April, so I have lots and lots of time to focus on all of these things.    

I'd also like to lose 7-8 lbs.  It seems like when I read about weight loss and athletics, the general thought is to work on the loss during the off season.  I think I'm going to try Weight Watchers again before and during the holidays to get things under control.  I had a lot of success with that program after I had each of my babies.  Simple calorie counting isn't doing the job right now.  

With your volume of training, this is a really not a good program. 

First, points aren't actual units of anything, they're not energy units, they're not macro nutrient units, they're not micro nutrient units, they're essentially a made up number.  Second, WW works for people who are generally non-active by placing them on a very low calorie diet with little regard to the quality or timing of the intake.  For the volume of training you do, the point allocation is not going to work. 

WW can do wonderful things for some people, but I don't think its a good route for an endurance athelte.

I 100% agree with you on this not being an acceptable program for an endurance athlete.  I am just going to use it this fall while training volume is low and caloric needs are fewer. 



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jarvy01 - 2012-10-02 12:01 PM

What exercises are you doing to address goal #1?  Just curious, as I am working the same areas in my strength training.  

I don't know the names of some of these so I'll give a description.

Lying on half moon ball I do side leg raises for 30 reps and then I do an extension type movement with the top leg paralell to the ground and then I drop it below paralell for 30 seconds for a stretch. I find these really work the flexors and side glutes.

Abdominal leg raises for hip flexors.

Plank and side planks.

Cable side extensions.

Leg presses and squats.

Hyperextensions

On a core board standing on one foot I extend the top hand to the sky and keep my head through toe level and parallel to the ground maintaining for one minute then switching legs.

There's a bunch of others but those are the ones I do the most.

I've run the last two days and can honestly say I've noticed the difference in my hips being a lot stronger and more stable.

Thanks, Scott.  I'm really looking to strengthen up my glutes.  I've been doing presses, weighted squats, and KB swings, but I feel I could do more.  I will look into some of these today.  

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Great 7 mile run last night I finally boke 49 mins for 7 miles!! http://connect.garmin.com/dashboard

Woke up this morning and went for a 5 mile recovery run legs were heavy!! It was a great mornign 60 degrees at 5:30am and a nice drizzle.

Great way to start the day!!

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Positive thoughts Michelle ... sending some your way and hoping all is good!

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DDVMM - 2012-10-02 5:24 PM

Thanks everyone for your encouragement.

 

Jen - were you a psychology major?? LOL I think I am just afraid I won't be able to finish the distance in the allotted time. The other issue (that no one even IRL knows) is that I may be dealing with a recurrence of cancer - if thats the case, I may affect my training ability for an uncertain time period. I won't know for another 10-14 days. I am not looking for responses to this, but that is part of my reservation - I want to be able to do it right. I guess I can always register and if need be, defer to another year.

 

Thanks again everyone!

 

Hopefully it's nothing, but sending positive thoughts your way Michele. 

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jarvy01 - 2012-10-02 12:01 PM

What exercises are you doing to address goal #1?  Just curious, as I am working the same areas in my strength training.  

I don't know the names of some of these so I'll give a description.

Lying on half moon ball I do side leg raises for 30 reps and then I do an extension type movement with the top leg paralell to the ground and then I drop it below paralell for 30 seconds for a stretch. I find these really work the flexors and side glutes.

Abdominal leg raises for hip flexors.

Plank and side planks.

Cable side extensions.

Leg presses and squats.

Hyperextensions

On a core board standing on one foot I extend the top hand to the sky and keep my head through toe level and parallel to the ground maintaining for one minute then switching legs.

There's a bunch of others but those are the ones I do the most.

I've run the last two days and can honestly say I've noticed the difference in my hips being a lot stronger and more stable.

Thanks, Scott.  I'm really looking to strengthen up my glutes.  I've been doing presses, weighted squats, and KB swings, but I feel I could do more.  I will look into some of these today.  

Best glute exercise ever:  barbell glute bridge.  I picked it up from a female figure competitor.  OMG!!



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jarvy01 - 2012-10-03 6:45 AM
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jarvy01 - 2012-10-02 12:01 PM

What exercises are you doing to address goal #1?  Just curious, as I am working the same areas in my strength training.  

I don't know the names of some of these so I'll give a description.

Lying on half moon ball I do side leg raises for 30 reps and then I do an extension type movement with the top leg paralell to the ground and then I drop it below paralell for 30 seconds for a stretch. I find these really work the flexors and side glutes.

Abdominal leg raises for hip flexors.

Plank and side planks.

Cable side extensions.

Leg presses and squats.

Hyperextensions

On a core board standing on one foot I extend the top hand to the sky and keep my head through toe level and parallel to the ground maintaining for one minute then switching legs.

There's a bunch of others but those are the ones I do the most.

I've run the last two days and can honestly say I've noticed the difference in my hips being a lot stronger and more stable.

Thanks, Scott.  I'm really looking to strengthen up my glutes.  I've been doing presses, weighted squats, and KB swings, but I feel I could do more.  I will look into some of these today.  

Best glute exercise ever:  barbell glute bridge.  I picked it up from a female figure competitor.  OMG!!

Off to google it.  Thank you so much!

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uhcoog - 2012-10-03 9:15 AM

Best glute exercise ever:  barbell glute bridge.  I picked it up from a female figure competitor.  OMG!!

I've been doing those in plates and yoga with no weight and they hurt, lol. I'll definitely work them in.

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uhcoog - 2012-10-03 9:15 AM

Best glute exercise ever:  barbell glute bridge.  I picked it up from a female figure competitor.  OMG!!

I've been doing those in plates and yoga with no weight and they hurt, lol. I'll definitely work them in.

The woman I know that taught them to me does them with 225 lbs.  Needless to say she has a nice tush.  LOL.

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PT has given me a lot of core/back exercises and stretches. When I get back in town next week if someone reminds me I will scan the papers in and share them. Oh, and a couple of ham/ITB stretches too (one I had never seen before).
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