Mad Manatee Mentors 2013: CLOSED (exc/ Pop Tart bribes) (Page 163)

Originally posted by brigby1

Been on the bucket list for a bit, along with Norseman. The elevation is metric as well. The run looks like a wall because it almost is. Goes up a mountain.

Originally posted by cdban66

Pub Ride

This is the event we did this weekend. High Vis orange tech shirts is TW and I.

Originally posted by TriAya

Manatees, I really need your help in running something by you. Brennan (U.S.-based race director) had to bail on our meeting today for good reason, so that's okay (on a personal side, and he's very good about separating our personal and professional relationship. Me too).

This is what I am going to post about the Bali Triathlon. I am also going to add a strong opening caution to each thing I've ever posted about the Bali Triathlon--an honest, fair caution (as opposed to what I'd LIKE to post!)--that is subject to change depending on the organizers'/directors' continuing responses.

Please offer any thoughts or advice, especially if I've come off too strongly/lightly/whatever. An enormous number of people will be reading this response--they are already waiting, indeed--as well as any amendments I make to existing race reports, articles, posts, etc. Additionally, for future enquirers, the stuff I write about this race always shows up among the first Google and Yahoo returns when searched.

I've tried to make the language as simple as possible so that any concerned parties who aren't as fluent in English will still get the gist. Links will be added where relevant.

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I have not commented on Bali Triathlon 2013 until now because I have been extremely angry about many parts of this race I used to love, especially #1: athlete safety. I wanted a calmer mind so that my words could be taken to save and improve this race that means so much to many of us.

First, I would like to thank (link) Richard, Reza, Franck, Andreas, Andy, and so many others for their constant efforts to promote endurance sports in Indonesia and especially among Indonesians. I do thank Bali International Triathlon for their hard work from many people that went into this event, and even though many critical issues went badly, their efforts and the good parts of this event still stand.

I appreciate that Bali International Triathlon has allowed all comments to remain on their Facebook page. I appreciate that you did post two responses.

In my humble opinion, it is not enough.

The first response (link) was defensive, stating that your safety record is remarkable and “athlete safety is and remains our number one concern.” In essence, your FIRST response to unspeakably bad race conditions and execution was “that’s not true and it’s not our fault.”

Only after the outcry to that response did you post your second response (link), which opens in part: “Yes, there were areas on race day that were not satisfactory to ours or the athletes standards.”

That is not an apology, much less anybody taking responsibility. When such basic elements as athlete safety and a designated, adequately indicated course are ignored—WHICH HAVE BEEN SERIOUS, REPEATED CONCERNS IN THE PAST—it is not enough to say “not satisfactory.”

The right thing to do is for the race organizers and directors—with names—to step up and say, “I am sorry. I am responsible. This is exactly what we ourselves saw, and also heard from you, that went wrong. To the best of our knowledge now, this is what we should have done instead. This is exactly what we plan to do in the next few weeks to make things right for the athletes who were in the 2013 (not 2014!) race. These are the rough plans for what will be done in the next few months to ensure an actual marked and staffed course and the safety of athletes on it. We will send periodical updates to keep you informed of the demonstrated actions we have taken to continue working on this, including keeping in mind the changing conditions in Bali.”

I’m waiting.

I’m not a legal expert, but I’m pretty sure no one will sue you for doing the right thing. There are many of us who have also worked very hard in our own lives training and in others’ lives to encourage them in both triathlon and community involvement, we who have already demonstrated our responsibility and commitment, who put our lives, bodies, efforts, training, hard-earned money or sponsorship, and support into your hands, and who have also stated that we are still willing to step up to the line if you are.

So we wait.  

 

Originally posted by TriAya

Manatees, I really need your help in running something by you. Brennan (U.S.-based race director) had to bail on our meeting today for good reason, so that's okay (on a personal side, and he's very good about separating our personal and professional relationship. Me too).

This is what I am going to post about the Bali Triathlon. I am also going to add a strong opening caution to each thing I've ever posted about the Bali Triathlon--an honest, fair caution (as opposed to what I'd LIKE to post!)--that is subject to change depending on the organizers'/directors' continuing responses.

Please offer any thoughts or advice, especially if I've come off too strongly/lightly/whatever. An enormous number of people will be reading this response--they are already waiting, indeed--as well as any amendments I make to existing race reports, articles, posts, etc. Additionally, for future enquirers, the stuff I write about this race always shows up among the first Google and Yahoo returns when searched.

I've tried to make the language as simple as possible so that any concerned parties who aren't as fluent in English will still get the gist. Links will be added where relevant.

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I have not commented on Bali Triathlon 2013 until now because I have been extremely angry about many parts of this race I used to love, especially #1: athlete safety. I wanted a calmer mind so that my words could be taken to save and improve this race that means so much to many of us.

First, I would like to thank (link) Richard, Reza, Franck, Andreas, Andy, and so many others for their constant efforts to promote endurance sports in Indonesia and especially among Indonesians. I do thank Bali International Triathlon for their hard work from many people that went into this event, and even though many critical issues went badly, their efforts and the good parts of this event still stand.

I appreciate that Bali International Triathlon has allowed all comments to remain on their Facebook page. I appreciate that you did post two responses.

In my humble opinion, it is not enough.

The first response (link) was defensive, stating that your safety record is remarkable and “athlete safety is and remains our number one concern.” In essence, your FIRST response to unspeakably bad race conditions and execution was “that’s not true and it’s not our fault.”

Only after the outcry to that response did you post your second response (link), which opens in part: “Yes, there were areas on race day that were not satisfactory to ours or the athletes standards.”

That is not an apology, much less anybody taking responsibility. When such basic elements as athlete safety and a designated, adequately indicated course are ignored—WHICH HAVE BEEN SERIOUS, REPEATED CONCERNS IN THE PAST—it is not enough to say “not satisfactory.”

The right thing to do is for the race organizers and directors—with names—to step up and say, “I am sorry. I am responsible. This is exactly what we ourselves saw, and also heard from you, that went wrong. To the best of our knowledge now, this is what we should have done instead. This is exactly what we plan to do in the next few weeks to make things right for the athletes who were in the 2013 (not 2014!) race. These are the rough plans for what will be done in the next few months to ensure an actual marked and staffed course and the safety of athletes on it. We will send periodical updates to keep you informed of the demonstrated actions we have taken to continue working on this, including keeping in mind the changing conditions in Bali.”

I’m waiting.

I’m not a legal expert, but I’m pretty sure no one will sue you for doing the right thing. There are many of us who have also worked very hard in our own lives training and in others’ lives to encourage them in both triathlon and community involvement, we who have already demonstrated our responsibility and commitment, who put our lives, bodies, efforts, training, hard-earned money or sponsorship, and support into your hands, and who have also stated that we are still willing to step up to the line if you are.

So we wait.  

 

Originally posted by Richardsdrr That last bit of the run, the last 8 km, is the exact same gradient as Wales' largest mountain, Snowden. Might go on my bucket list also. Then I could use Snowden as a training ground one day, maybe.

Originally posted by rrrunner

That's NUTZ!!!!!!!!! The swim may not be uphill but it would surprise me if it was extremely cold or choppy! Wow!

Originally posted by Artemis

That looks really fun!

Originally posted by switch

Can someone give me a synopsis of what I need to do to be technologically up to speed as a Manatee?  I suck at this stuff, but I want to play.

My gmail account is elesawedemeyer (at) gmail (dot) com.

Clueless, party of one.

Originally posted by TriAya

Manatees, I really need your help in running something by you. Brennan (U.S.-based race director) had to bail on our meeting today for good reason, so that's okay (on a personal side, and he's very good about separating our personal and professional relationship. Me too).

This is what I am going to post about the Bali Triathlon. I am also going to add a strong opening caution to each thing I've ever posted about the Bali Triathlon--an honest, fair caution (as opposed to what I'd LIKE to post!)--that is subject to change depending on the organizers'/directors' continuing responses.

Please offer any thoughts or advice, especially if I've come off too strongly/lightly/whatever. An enormous number of people will be reading this response--they are already waiting, indeed--as well as any amendments I make to existing race reports, articles, posts, etc. Additionally, for future enquirers, the stuff I write about this race always shows up among the first Google and Yahoo returns when searched.

I've tried to make the language as simple as possible so that any concerned parties who aren't as fluent in English will still get the gist. Links will be added where relevant.

---

I have not commented on Bali Triathlon 2013 until now because I have been extremely angry about many parts of this race I used to love, especially #1: athlete safety. I wanted a calmer mind so that my words could be taken to save and improve this race that means so much to many of us.

First, I would like to thank (link) Richard, Reza, Franck, Andreas, Andy, and so many others for their constant efforts to promote endurance sports in Indonesia and especially among Indonesians. I do thank Bali International Triathlon for their hard work from many people that went into this event, and even though many critical issues went badly, their efforts and the good parts of this event still stand.

I appreciate that Bali International Triathlon has allowed all comments to remain on their Facebook page. I appreciate that you did post two responses.

In my humble opinion, it is not enough.

The first response (link) was defensive, stating that your safety record is remarkable and “athlete safety is and remains our number one concern.” In essence, your FIRST response to unspeakably bad race conditions and execution was “that’s not true and it’s not our fault.”

Only after the outcry to that response did you post your second response (link), which opens in part: “Yes, there were areas on race day that were not satisfactory to ours or the athletes standards.”

That is not an apology, much less anybody taking responsibility. When such basic elements as athlete safety and a designated, adequately indicated course are ignored—WHICH HAVE BEEN SERIOUS, REPEATED CONCERNS IN THE PAST—it is not enough to say “not satisfactory.”

The right thing to do is for the race organizers and directors—with names—to step up and say, “I am sorry. I am responsible. This is exactly what we ourselves saw, and also heard from you, that went wrong. To the best of our knowledge now, this is what we should have done instead. This is exactly what we plan to do in the next few weeks to make things right for the athletes who were in the 2013 (not 2014!) race. These are the rough plans for what will be done in the next few months to ensure an actual marked and staffed course and the safety of athletes on it. We will send periodical updates to keep you informed of the demonstrated actions we have taken to continue working on this, including keeping in mind the changing conditions in Bali.”

I’m waiting.

I’m not a legal expert, but I’m pretty sure no one will sue you for doing the right thing. There are many of us who have also worked very hard in our own lives training and in others’ lives to encourage them in both triathlon and community involvement, we who have already demonstrated our responsibility and commitment, who put our lives, bodies, efforts, training, hard-earned money or sponsorship, and support into your hands, and who have also stated that we are still willing to step up to the line if you are.

So we wait.  

 

Originally posted by TriAya

Manatees, I really need your help in running something by you. Brennan (U.S.-based race director) had to bail on our meeting today for good reason, so that's okay (on a personal side, and he's very good about separating our personal and professional relationship. Me too).

This is what I am going to post about the Bali Triathlon. I am also going to add a strong opening caution to each thing I've ever posted about the Bali Triathlon--an honest, fair caution (as opposed to what I'd LIKE to post!)--that is subject to change depending on the organizers'/directors' continuing responses.

Please offer any thoughts or advice, especially if I've come off too strongly/lightly/whatever. An enormous number of people will be reading this response--they are already waiting, indeed--as well as any amendments I make to existing race reports, articles, posts, etc. Additionally, for future enquirers, the stuff I write about this race always shows up among the first Google and Yahoo returns when searched.

I've tried to make the language as simple as possible so that any concerned parties who aren't as fluent in English will still get the gist. Links will be added where relevant.

---

I have not commented on Bali Triathlon 2013 until now because I have been extremely angry about many parts of this race I used to love, especially #1: athlete safety. I wanted a calmer mind so that my words could be taken to save and improve this race that means so much to many of us.

First, I would like to thank (link) Richard, Reza, Franck, Andreas, Andy, and so many others for their constant efforts to promote endurance sports in Indonesia and especially among Indonesians. I do thank Bali International Triathlon for their hard work from many people that went into this event, and even though many critical issues went badly, their efforts and the good parts of this event still stand.

I appreciate that Bali International Triathlon has allowed all comments to remain on their Facebook page. I appreciate that you did post two responses.

In my humble opinion, it is not enough.

The first response (link) was defensive, stating that your safety record is remarkable and “athlete safety is and remains our number one concern.” In essence, your FIRST response to unspeakably bad race conditions and execution was “that’s not true and it’s not our fault.”

Only after the outcry to that response did you post your second response (link), which opens in part: “Yes, there were areas on race day that were not satisfactory to ours or the athletes standards.”

That is not an apology, much less anybody taking responsibility. When such basic elements as athlete safety and a designated, adequately indicated course are ignored—WHICH HAVE BEEN SERIOUS, REPEATED CONCERNS IN THE PAST—it is not enough to say “not satisfactory.”

The right thing to do is for the race organizers and directors—with names—to step up and say, “I am sorry. I am responsible. This is exactly what we ourselves saw, and also heard from you, that went wrong. To the best of our knowledge now, this is what we should have done instead. This is exactly what we plan to do in the next few weeks to make things right for the athletes who were in the 2013 (not 2014!) race. These are the rough plans for what will be done in the next few months to ensure an actual marked and staffed course and the safety of athletes on it. We will send periodical updates to keep you informed of the demonstrated actions we have taken to continue working on this, including keeping in mind the changing conditions in Bali.”

I’m waiting.

I’m not a legal expert, but I’m pretty sure no one will sue you for doing the right thing. There are many of us who have also worked very hard in our own lives training and in others’ lives to encourage them in both triathlon and community involvement, we who have already demonstrated our responsibility and commitment, who put our lives, bodies, efforts, training, hard-earned money or sponsorship, and support into your hands, and who have also stated that we are still willing to step up to the line if you are.

So we wait.  

 

Originally posted by cdban66

Yanti, I can only offer semantics. I believe this is a race that you still love. If not, you wouldn't be as worked up about it as you are. 

Originally posted by rrrunner

Well I signed up for the TT this weekend. I'm looking forward to it. Packet pickup is about a block from a new chocolatier I've been wanting to explore. Looking forward to packet pickup

I took Fi back to the shop where I got her for her post purchase check up/tune up. I mentioned to the fitter/owner that I'd been having irritation at the top-back of my left arm after about an hour riding that hadn't gone away like i thought it would, once i got used to the new ride. He checked the measurements and said the left aero bar was about 1mm different than the right. Talk about the princess and the pea, right? So he adjusted it. We'll see.

So I've been contemplating a road trip to Denver for the weekend of the 4th (our Independence Day holiday for you non-US-ers). It was originally to be a trip during the weeknd with DH to Denver when my niece is in town from New England. Well the niece scheduled her travel so that she leaves Saturday morning so now the family gathering is scheduled for the 4th. DH and DS1 can't get the day off so if I go, I drive alone. Long time Manatees will remember that the last time I did that I hit 2 deer. I'd love to see the niece, haven't seen her in almost 2 years, but if I go it's more to see my Momma. She is having her gall bladder removed on the 8th because there is a "mass" next to it. I'm just not sure how many more "procedures" she's going to handle. She's 67 but has smoked like a train for the last 50 years. She's survived a brain aneurysm and some other crazy stuff, but I wonder...

On a happier note. If I go there is a tri called the "My Way or the Tri Way" near the in-laws house. At this event each participant gets to choose the order in which they will do the events. I would luf to end with the bike. I've never done that. It's always either S/B/R or R/B/S.

Help me Manatees. DH, as always, is supportive if I want to go... alone.

Originally posted by QueenZipp Bike fit was pretty cool, Dave Luscan is really amazing.  He used the measurements off my old bike as a starting base then we played with seat height/ bar height/ saddle position forward vs back.  We have a good idea of a starting place for my ideal fit--we just need the daggone bike!!

Originally posted by QueenZipp Bike fit was pretty cool, Dave Luscan is really amazing.  He used the measurements off my old bike as a starting base then we played with seat height/ bar height/ saddle position forward vs back.  We have a good idea of a starting place for my ideal fit--we just need the daggone bike!!

Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl

ARGH!  Still no love on the bike front??? 

Originally posted by TriAya

Manatees, I really need your help in running something by you. Brennan (U.S.-based race director) had to bail on our meeting today for good reason, so that's okay (on a personal side, and he's very good about separating our personal and professional relationship. Me too).

This is what I am going to post about the Bali Triathlon. I am also going to add a strong opening caution to each thing I've ever posted about the Bali Triathlon--an honest, fair caution (as opposed to what I'd LIKE to post!)--that is subject to change depending on the organizers'/directors' continuing responses.

Please offer any thoughts or advice, especially if I've come off too strongly/lightly/whatever. An enormous number of people will be reading this response--they are already waiting, indeed--as well as any amendments I make to existing race reports, articles, posts, etc. Additionally, for future enquirers, the stuff I write about this race always shows up among the first Google and Yahoo returns when searched.

I've tried to make the language as simple as possible so that any concerned parties who aren't as fluent in English will still get the gist. Links will be added where relevant.

---

I have not commented on Bali Triathlon 2013 until now because I have been extremely angry about many parts of this race I used to love, especially #1: athlete safety. I wanted a calmer mind so that my words could be taken to save and improve this race that means so much to many of us.

First, I would like to thank (link) Richard, Reza, Franck, Andreas, Andy, and so many others for their constant efforts to promote endurance sports in Indonesia and especially among Indonesians. I do thank Bali International Triathlon for their hard work from many people that went into this event, and even though many critical issues went badly, their efforts and the good parts of this event still stand.

I appreciate that Bali International Triathlon has allowed all comments to remain on their Facebook page. I appreciate that you did post two responses.

In my humble opinion, it is not enough.

The first response (link) was defensive, stating that your safety record is remarkable and “athlete safety is and remains our number one concern.” In essence, your FIRST response to unspeakably bad race conditions and execution was “that’s not true and it’s not our fault.”

Only after the outcry to that response did you post your second response (link), which opens in part: “Yes, there were areas on race day that were not satisfactory to ours or the athletes standards.”

That is not an apology, much less anybody taking responsibility. When such basic elements as athlete safety and a designated, adequately indicated course are ignored—WHICH HAVE BEEN SERIOUS, REPEATED CONCERNS IN THE PAST—it is not enough to say “not satisfactory.”

The right thing to do is for the race organizers and directors—with names—to step up and say, “I am sorry. I am responsible. This is exactly what we ourselves saw, and also heard from you, that went wrong. To the best of our knowledge now, this is what we should have done instead. This is exactly what we plan to do in the next few weeks to make things right for the athletes who were in the 2013 (not 2014!) race. These are the rough plans for what will be done in the next few months to ensure an actual marked and staffed course and the safety of athletes on it. We will send periodical updates to keep you informed of the demonstrated actions we have taken to continue working on this, including keeping in mind the changing conditions in Bali.”

I’m waiting.

I’m not a legal expert, but I’m pretty sure no one will sue you for doing the right thing. There are many of us who have also worked very hard in our own lives training and in others’ lives to encourage them in both triathlon and community involvement, we who have already demonstrated our responsibility and commitment, who put our lives, bodies, efforts, training, hard-earned money or sponsorship, and support into your hands, and who have also stated that we are still willing to step up to the line if you are.

So we wait.  

 

Originally posted by jogo I read this on Facebook before I read this here. I thought you held back. I kept reading on FB hoping you would go all rant-i on them. I was angry just reading their lame responses. This was more than politically-correct. It was concise, clear, and offered valid suggestions for resolution. I hope they do some service recovery with the 2013 participants. Well done, my friend!