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 2009-09-04 10:34 PM in reply to: #2390164 |
Master  2372   |  Subject: RE: Swimming in baggy shortsCuse_Fan - 2009-09-04 2:07 PM I have a question about the OP, is 2:00-2:10/100 meters slow or average speed for swimming? That's about where I'm at, and just trying to get a feel for where I'll be in my upcoming tri. Thanks! Depends on what tri you are talking about. I'd say, though, at most typical sprints that this is right around average or perhaps just a shade faster than average. 2:00 is nowhere near slow, though, unless you're talking the USAT Nationals or something similar. Edited by sand101 2009-09-04 10:41 PM |
| 2009-09-04 11:04 PM in reply to: #2390568 |
Master 2372 | Subject: RE: Swimming in baggy shorts VO2Matt - 2009-09-04 5:50 PM 1. Baggy shorts alter your form. They affect how you swim through the water and affect your feel for it. If you spend all of your time swimming in baggy shorts, you learn how to swim in baggy shorts. Once you put on the speedo, suddenly your feel for the water changes as do your stroke mechanics. The extra drag of the baggy shorts also make things like hip rotation and body position harder to learn and feel, actually slowing down the learning process. If you are trying to work on form, then a speedo type suit would be a much better option. and no I don't train in a wet suit..in fact I hate the things. Baggy shorts to speedos is like training on a mt bike and racing on a tri bike. Adding a wet suit is like adding a disc. and there is a big difference between board shorts and a drag suit and someone learning to swim in board shorts and someone with years of competitive swimming training in them. I would disagree with this statement. Technically speaking baggies would be a pretty symmetrical force that act to hold you back. I can't see them affecting stroke mechanics. If you are slower than 2:00/100 you have major technique issues and the choice of shorts is a terribly minor item. If you are faster than that the baggies are just extra drag. Frankly I haven't given much thought to wearing jammers to practice in. I just wear baggy shorts (and am surprised that people here are quoting :10/100). I need to buy some jammers and see if my times really do improve from the 1:25/100 I typically put out. |
| 2009-09-05 12:03 AM in reply to: #2389842 |
Extreme Veteran 365 Hattiesburg, MS | Subject: RE: Swimming in baggy shorts Well when your "Man" size like me they nobody makes jammers in my size. So its baggy shorts until then. |
| 2009-09-05 1:48 PM in reply to: #2389842 |
Veteran 215 | Subject: RE: Swimming in baggy shorts It really depresses me when I hear how slow 2:00/100 yds. is. If wearing baggy shorts would help me go 2:08/100 yds. I'd get some...and I'm a girl. I can do 2:30/100 yds. when I'm swimming all out for 100 yds. In my last race I was over 3:00/100 for a 500 yd swim. Maybe I should wear speedos. |
| 2009-09-05 2:11 PM in reply to: #2389842 |
Elite 3650  Laurium, MI | Subject: RE: Swimming in baggy shorts If you are swimming slower then 2:00 per hundred then you need to be focusing on fixing your form and not worry so much about resistance training to build strength. Yes baggy shorts do impact rotation. They do cause drag which resists hip movement. It may not be much, but we are talking about a sport where an inch here or there in your form can cost 10's of seconds per hundred. It also changes the way you feel in the water. As you train and drill, you get a feel for what your form is supposed to feel like based on feedback from the water. Switch suit styles and that feedback changes...making the water feel different which does make learning harder. |
| 2009-09-05 3:02 PM in reply to: #2389842 |
Master 1325 Lake Oswego, OR | Subject: RE: Swimming in baggy shorts scottgreenstone - 2009-09-04 10:11 AM What is everybody's sense of drag using baggy shorts. How much time could I shave using tight swim trunks? I currently swim 2:08 for 100 in baggy shorts. I know that is very slow, but its a start.
I find it hard to believe that there are 30 posts in reply to this. First, if you want to wear baggy shorts go ahead. Whether it is for modesty or anything else, go right ahead. Second, even if Michael Phelps trained in board shorts, I would not recommend them for the typical Tri athlete. Going without a wetsuit in the pool is more than enough of an overload for a workout. Michael does not race in a wetsuit. In swimming, form is critical and I can't imagine how baggy shorts could help people improve their form. If you want to strengthen your pull use paddles (I don't - too hard on my shoulders). How much faster? A lot, but here is the true test. Swim 750/1500 meters in your baggy shorts in the pool, then swim 7501500 meters in your wetsuit and compare times. That would at least give you some useful information |
| 2009-09-06 6:50 PM in reply to: #2389842 |
Extreme Veteran 543 South Orange | Subject: RE: Swimming in baggy shorts Thanks for all the replies. I wasnt looking to start a whole debate, I was just curious if I would expect to see some faster times once I dropped enough weight to fit in one of those tight little jobs. I was surprised also to hear how many people thought my times were fast. THanks for the confidence boost, although I personally think I need to get much faster. Would love to get down to 1:00/100, but without a boat I dont see that happening in this lifetime. |
| 2009-09-07 8:32 AM in reply to: #2392600 |
Master 1222 Lafayette, IN | Subject: RE: Swimming in baggy shorts scottgreenstone - 2009-09-06 6:50 PM Thanks for all the replies. I wasnt looking to start a whole debate, I was just curious if I would expect to see some faster times once I dropped enough weight to fit in one of those tight little jobs. I was surprised also to hear how many people thought my times were fast. THanks for the confidence boost, although I personally think I need to get much faster. Would love to get down to 1:00/100, but without a boat I dont see that happening in this lifetime. Don't know how old you are, but 1 minute 100's would put you close to scoring on a high school swim team! |
| 2009-09-08 12:27 PM in reply to: #2389842 |
Extreme Veteran 543 South Orange | Subject: RE: Swimming in baggy shorts Greg, at the time I was kinda kidding. But wathcing some professional swimmers yesterday on TV, I realized I was just being crazy. They are doing like 53/100. They swim so fast they are creating a wake. I will be satisfied with just finishing within the cutoff at this point. |
| 2009-09-08 12:36 PM in reply to: #2390936 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: Swimming in baggy shorts CoastTrash - 2009-09-05 1:03 AM Well when your "Man" size like me . When my man size does what? |
| 2009-09-08 12:38 PM in reply to: #2394828 |
Master 1325 Lake Oswego, OR | Subject: RE: Swimming in baggy shorts scottgreenstone - 2009-09-08 10:27 AM Greg, at the time I was kinda kidding. But wathcing some professional swimmers yesterday on TV, I realized I was just being crazy. They are doing like 53/100. They swim so fast they are creating a wake. I will be satisfied with just finishing within the cutoff at this point. I think the World Record for 100 METERS in a 50 meter pool is 46.91 unless someone broke that recently at the World Championships. That's about a 45.55 in a 25 meter pool or a 40.48 for 100 YARDS in a 25 yard pool. That would definitely create a good sized wake. |
| 2009-09-08 7:50 PM in reply to: #2390168 |
Master 1402 Highlands Ranch | Subject: RE: Swimming in baggy shorts We referred to them as diapers back in the day |
| 2009-09-08 8:26 PM in reply to: #2394828 |
Master 1222 Lafayette, IN | Subject: RE: Swimming in baggy shorts scottgreenstone - 2009-09-08 12:27 PM Greg, at the time I was kinda kidding. But wathcing some professional swimmers yesterday on TV, I realized I was just being crazy. They are doing like 53/100. They swim so fast they are creating a wake. I will be satisfied with just finishing within the cutoff at this point. I swam a 1:06 in HS. (1978) and was the second slowest guy on the team. Our contenders swam :56's. I can now swim a 1:28. I have thought about training to see if I could hit 1:06 again. Good luck with IMLP. Do you start your off season training soon? I am volunteering at IMWI this weekend and if I decide to sign up on Monday, I will start an off-season program. |
| 2009-09-08 8:32 PM in reply to: #2395741 |
Expert 1123 Falls Church, VA | Subject: RE: Swimming in baggy shorts Gregkl - 2009-09-08 9:26 PM scottgreenstone - 2009-09-08 12:27 PM Greg, at the time I was kinda kidding. But wathcing some professional swimmers yesterday on TV, I realized I was just being crazy. They are doing like 53/100. They swim so fast they are creating a wake. I will be satisfied with just finishing within the cutoff at this point. I swam a 1:06 in HS. (1978) and was the second slowest guy on the team. Our contenders swam :56's. I can now swim a 1:28. I have thought about training to see if I could hit 1:06 again. Good luck with IMLP. Do you start your off season training soon? I am volunteering at IMWI this weekend and if I decide to sign up on Monday, I will start an off-season program. I think I looked up the women's times at the ACC championships for the mile swim, and they were all averaging just under 1:00/100 (it was a short course though). I think the men are in the lower 50's. That's bookin! |
| 2009-09-08 8:54 PM in reply to: #2389842 |
Master 1325 Lake Oswego, OR | Subject: RE: Swimming in baggy shorts "World champion and U.S. National Team member Kate Ziegler set an American record in the 1650-yard free Dec. 7 at the Tom Dolan Invitational at the George Mason University – Fairfax, in Fairfax, Va.
Her time of 15:37.17 breaks Janet Evans’ former record of 15:39.14, set on March 17, 1990 in Austin, Texas." AND "14:26.62 Chris Thompson (Michigan) 2001 Men's NCAA Division I Championships March 24, 2001 " Edited by E=H2O 2009-09-08 8:57 PM |
| 2009-09-09 2:07 AM in reply to: #2389842 |
Expert 1690 | Subject: RE: Swimming in baggy shorts Semi-completely off topic but ive been told that wetsuits inhibit a hip driven rotation and is better suited for a shoulder driven rotation. I've never worn anything passed neoprene shorts in a kayak so I have no idea. Is there any validity to this? |
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