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Fred Doucette - 2011-02-02 1:19 PM
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Fred Doucette - 2011-02-02 8:57 AM I did my 8 minute power test today.
I was not feeling 100% (sinuses still draining and went into a coughing fit affter), but I make NO EXCUSES.

results:
CP 8'= 315w.

I test for 20 minutes on Friday.

btw I hate testing. Pushes me waaay out of my comfort zone.


Ha!  Your 8min is basically my 3min.  Nice job.

As to testing indoors vs outdoors, I think you and I disagreed about this a couple of years ago in Jorge's winter cycling program.  I'm a big believer in indoor trainer testing.  I think you eliminate the outside variables that can skew test results.  The big caveat with this statement - I've never done an outdoor test, but maybe I will this year.  My issue is finding somewhere reasonably flat - everything has ups and downs around here.

The one thing I do find with indoor testing is that I have complete focus on the task at hand.  It's miserable, and it hurts, but all I'm thinking about is turning the pedals over.  I'm not thinking about cars, road conditions, etc.  For me that's important - and in my mind it allows me to push harder.  Now whether that actually translates to a better test result, I don't know.  But maybe I'll give an outdoor test a try this Spring and see how it goes.
. Neil, my biggest problems with indoor testing (and yes it has a place even for me) is that I don't like it. I don't perform as well as I would outdoors by quite a bit and end up in a coughing fit after as I have a reactive cough that is much worse on the trainer. I agree that the variables are more constant, but I am actually dreading my 20 min test on Friday.


 
I didn't think we did this sport because it was EASY!  just kidding.  I've got a 20 min test coming up next week.  I'm not looking forward to doing it, but I am looking forward to the (hopefully!) positive results it yields.

Woke up with a migraine this morning after a long drive from Columbus, OH (wouldn't have gotten a flight until tonight...everything was cancelled!).  Given how much I hate OSU, I didn't want to spend another second more than I had to there.  Anyone else get migraines?  I actually feel better (most of the time) when I workout during them (after the initial really bad pain is over).  I've actually had one come on during a run, and it delayed the pain at least half an hour until I finished the run.  ANyone else experience anything similar?  I decided to drag myself out of bed for a bike and feel a little better now.
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tasr - 2011-02-02 12:40 PM Neil,
 
Do you have any advice about what I should do for test on a CT?
 
Thanks.



James,

I agree with Fred, use Jorge's testing protocols, which I've used for the past couple of years.  The big difference is he changed the 5min test to a 3min test.  He's got a link on his blog to an excel sheet which will carryover the test results and let you get your CP and watts/kg numbers.  He's indicated a few different times that people who have done these tests, and then tested at a straight 60min, come out fairly equal with the results.  So until someone proves him worng I'll avoid a monthly 1 hour test.

Basically, 10min @ 65-70% CP, 5min with 30 sec @ 95-100% CP, then 30sec at 65-70% CP, 5min 75% CP, 20min (or 3min) test, 5min CD at 65-70% CP.  After the 3min test you can really do whatever you want but I think his calls for 15min @ 80% CP.

I have a tacx trainer which I think is reasonably similar to a CT.  First time I did the test I set the watts (erg mode in CT I think) and I pushed to hit those numbers.  Since then I've always gone by slope - set a certain slope (I keep a constant grade of 1.2%), and then hit whatever watts you can.  Don't know what this is called in CT.
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Just finished my first ride on the adamo. And it was great. No discomfort at all. It was a 45 min ride followed by a 15 min run. I spend the hole time in aero position.

Im not feeling any soreness right now.

So I hope that this is the solution to all my saddle problems.

I think it is a little early to say anything more, I will have to get some more time in the saddle with it. I have an hour ride in the morning, and 2:45 in the weekend.


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jsiegs - 2011-02-02 1:48 PM

Woke up with a migraine this morning after a long drive from Columbus, OH (wouldn't have gotten a flight until tonight...everything was cancelled!).  Given how much I hate OSU, I didn't want to spend another second more than I had to there.  Anyone else get migraines?  I actually feel better (most of the time) when I workout during them (after the initial really bad pain is over).  I've actually had one come on during a run, and it delayed the pain at least half an hour until I finished the run.  ANyone else experience anything similar?  I decided to drag myself out of bed for a bike and feel a little better now.


Oh YES, I get the whole visual meltdown where I can't see properly, awful... I remember it happend once during a running race.... I also remember writing in my training blog about 3 weeks ago that I had one... I took 2 advil and had to delay my planned trainer ride 30 minutes but then did it, felt crappy
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Fred Doucette - 2011-02-02 7:50 AM

bryancd - 2011-02-02 7:58 AMInteresting post, Kelly. I look forward to seeing how you do with this. I certainly have had a lot of experience with high volume training. If you ever want to chat, please feel free to visit me. By the way, I'm at my fathers home in Greenwich CT right now covered in ice! Need to get home to AZ ASAP!
. Just realized we had a Bryan sighting in our group! Wow, we really have arrived haven't we? Lol


I'll be back... with a big serving of HTFU....
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Fred Doucette - 2011-02-03 7:16 AM Just finished my 8 mile run for the day. I really found the discussion of volume fascinating. Thanks to all who contributed.


Yes, some interesting stuff.  I thought Johnny Kay's post/inspire in your log yesterday was a pretty good summary on the topic.


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Fred Doucette - 2011-02-02 1:53 PM

swimming is funny for me, I have days where I just feel it much better than other days. Wish I knew why?



This is how I feel about most of my training, not just swimming!
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On the way back into my subdivision on my run today, a guy standing in his garage was clapping and cheering and it took a moment for me to realize it was for me. He yells out you are really hard core. I chuckled and it made me smile.

Not to many in my area are doing outside runs these last few weeks.
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KathyG - 2011-02-03 4:05 PM On the way back into my subdivision on my run today, a guy standing in his garage was clapping and cheering and it took a moment for me to realize it was for me. He yells out you are really hard core. I chuckled and it made me smile.

Not to many in my area are doing outside runs these last few weeks.


Oh what a nice story Kathy! awesome
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KathyG - 2011-02-03 5:05 PM On the way back into my subdivision on my run today, a guy standing in his garage was clapping and cheering and it took a moment for me to realize it was for me. He yells out you are really hard core. I chuckled and it made me smile.

Not to many in my area are doing outside runs these last few weeks.


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KathyG - 2011-02-03 5:05 PM On the way back into my subdivision on my run today, a guy standing in his garage was clapping and cheering and it took a moment for me to realize it was for me. He yells out you are really hard core. I chuckled and it made me smile.

Not to many in my area are doing outside runs these last few weeks.


You ARE hardcore Kathy!
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Fred Doucette - 2011-02-03 5:25 PM Somewhat inflammatory but interesting nonetheless discussion regarding coaches and certification in the tri forum.

What do you folks think? Do you need your coach to have a certification? Does it have to be level 1, 2 or 3?

My coach has NO USAT certfication.


The more of a track record a coach has, the less certification would matter to me.  Most important would be 1) track record of working with athletes similar to me, and 2) training philosophy and requirements.
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wiky - 2011-02-03 10:29 AM
Fred Doucette - 2011-02-02 1:53 PM

swimming is funny for me, I have days where I just feel it much better than other days. Wish I knew why?



This is how I feel about most of my training, not just swimming!

X2-I thought it was just me.

Randy

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Track record would be more important than certification to me.  Its what you do and how you do it that matter.  Just because you pass the bar it does not mean you are a good lawyer.  You can practice law but it does not mean you really know what you are doing (yeah, that's kind of scary) but I suspect it is that way in many professions where there is a certain level of certification necessary.  However, I am sure that there are some folks that would not consider a coach that did not possess a certification.  I guess if I were a professional experienced coach with a good track record I would probably get the certification as I would consider it a part of my professional education.

Randy 



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Sorry, double post

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Fred Doucette - 2011-02-03 5:25 PM
What do you folks think? Do you need your coach to have a certification? Does it have to be level 1, 2 or 3?


Well, before I could answer your question Fred I had to actually go to my coach's website to find out if he was certified. I guess that answers it for you?

I don't really think much of it, but I have to admit that might just be colored by the fact that I am currently shepherding our architecture program through our own year-long re-accreditation process, which we have to do every 6 years. Ask me again in two weeks after our accreditation visit and I may change my answer! Wink

I engaged my coach when I decided to graduate to the ironman distance, and I was going to agree that their track record is important - but then I really thought about it and realized that while his own career is very remarkable, my coach has never raced ironman himself (he is young-ish and working toward that goal) nor has he yet trained an ironman athlete - I am his first. I met with a lot of coaches that were much more "qualified" in that regard, and certainly less expensive. I myself am a professional educator, who's primary job is to teach others how to teach. If I had to put my finger on it, my decision was made because my coach struck me to have already developed the skills and craft that define good teaching. I am a relative old dog when it comes to endurance sports, and it is rumored that we are a virtually unteachable lot. So my coach had better be good at it. In the spirit of full disclosure it doesn't hurt that he is surrounded by a group of highly qualified specialists to which both he and I have access if (and when) we both need them.

Now back to shoving 8 1/2" x 11" sheets of paper around....
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Uh.  Accreditation review == no fun.  Good luck Rusty.
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Fred Doucette - 2011-02-03 5:25 PM Somewhat inflammatory but interesting nonetheless discussion regarding coaches and certification in the tri forum.

What do you folks think? Do you need your coach to have a certification? Does it have to be level 1, 2 or 3?

My coach has NO USAT certfication.


As long as he/she likes dark chocolate covered raisins.  


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