Manatee Mentors 2014 v.2 thread2 CLOSED (Poptart/pet pic bribes?) (Page 51)

Erin, I hope that your shoulder is improving.

TJ, I hope that your knee improving.

Tom, I hope that your knee is improving.

Yanti, get over whatever crud that you have and stop getting kicked out of countries.

Ann Marie, good news on the hammy!  One of these days it may even stop complaining altogether!  Don't ditch Susan!

Monica, proof of life post please?

Jen, have your heard from your endo?  Are you feeling better this week?

Hoo, lots of swimmin', bikin', and runnin' this weekend! Go Manatees!!

Wait, isn't it still Thursday?  Janyne, you're getting ahead of yourself and made me all excited that the weekend was almost here!

Originally posted by 4agoodlife

Originally posted by rrrunner

Looks like I'll be staying put between Erin and all of the Texas Manatees.  Funny that one of the first things I thought is that I'm stuck with the sucky NM races

Well darn. Here I was starting to plan CO races hmmm...Maybe the TX and AZ manatees will have to do a motorcycle meetup in NM. Wonder if they make bike racks for motorcycles? :D

Hey now, I'm in CO so you can still come up this way!  I'm on the Front Range, not the Western Slope, though, so that makes the trip a little farther unless I meet you in the middle.  Or I could maybe come to a TX/NM/AZ meet-up.  I'm also planning to do that Zion HM in March if you want to join me...

And they do make bike racks for motorcycles.  Funny you should mention that; TJ and I were just talking about it this past weekend.  Goggle "motorcycle bicycle carrier" and you'll get lots of results.  Here's an example:

Erin, I hope that your shoulder is improving.

TJ, I hope that your knee improving.

Tom, I hope that your knee is improving.

Yanti, get over whatever crud that you have and stop getting kicked out of countries.

Ann Marie, good news on the hammy!  One of these days it may even stop complaining altogether!  Don't ditch Susan!

Monica, proof of life post please?

Jen, have your heard from your endo?  Are you feeling better this week?

Racing Manatees!

A listing of Manatee Races, Rides and Runs and other events
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September 6-7
Erin - Barn Burner 104, 2-man relay on Saturday
Janyne - BikeMS on Saturday and Sunday
Kirsten - Coho Swim on Sunday
Melanie - Diamondman Challenge Sprint Triathlon on Sunday
Randee - Pumpkinman Half Iron Triathlon on Sunday
Tom - Hancock Horizontal Hundred on Sunday

Tomorrow is a travel day for me.  It was today or perhaps not at all. ;-)

Erin, I hope that your shoulder is improving.

TJ, I hope that your knee improving.

Tom, I hope that your knee is improving.

Yanti, get over whatever crud that you have and stop getting kicked out of countries.

Ann Marie, good news on the hammy!  One of these days it may even stop complaining altogether!  Don't ditch Susan!

Monica, proof of life post please?

Jen, have your heard from your endo?  Are you feeling better this week?

That's quite the mixture of events - very cool !!  Go racers, have a great, fun time!!

And, no DLers this week.  woot woot!

Interesting news about the Rev3/Challenge merger.

http://rev3tri.com/news/challenge-family-rev3-triathlon-announce-partnership/

Tomorrow is a travel day for me.  It was today or perhaps not at all. ;-)

Good stuff! My coach is doing the BikeMS here locally this weekend so that's almost like riding with Janyne!

Go get 'em racers!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by laffinrock

Originally posted by 4agoodlife

Originally posted by rrrunner

Looks like I'll be staying put between Erin and all of the Texas Manatees.  Funny that one of the first things I thought is that I'm stuck with the sucky NM races

Well darn. Here I was starting to plan CO races hmmm...Maybe the TX and AZ manatees will have to do a motorcycle meetup in NM. Wonder if they make bike racks for motorcycles? :D

Hey now, I'm in CO so you can still come up this way!  I'm on the Front Range, not the Western Slope, though, so that makes the trip a little farther unless I meet you in the middle.  Or I could maybe come to a TX/NM/AZ meet-up.  I'm also planning to do that Zion HM in March if you want to join me...

And they do make bike racks for motorcycles.  Funny you should mention that; TJ and I were just talking about it this past weekend.  Goggle "motorcycle bicycle carrier" and you'll get lots of results.  Here's an example:

 

 

My niece text me yesterday that she is signing up for that one! Her first HM!!!! (She's the one I'm racing with at Dirty Girl)

Originally posted by rrrunner

Originally posted by laffinrock

Originally posted by 4agoodlife

Originally posted by rrrunner

Looks like I'll be staying put between Erin and all of the Texas Manatees.  Funny that one of the first things I thought is that I'm stuck with the sucky NM races

Well darn. Here I was starting to plan CO races hmmm...Maybe the TX and AZ manatees will have to do a motorcycle meetup in NM. Wonder if they make bike racks for motorcycles? :D

Hey now, I'm in CO so you can still come up this way!  I'm on the Front Range, not the Western Slope, though, so that makes the trip a little farther unless I meet you in the middle.  Or I could maybe come to a TX/NM/AZ meet-up.  I'm also planning to do that Zion HM in March if you want to join me...

And they do make bike racks for motorcycles.  Funny you should mention that; TJ and I were just talking about it this past weekend.  Goggle "motorcycle bicycle carrier" and you'll get lots of results.  Here's an example:

 

 

My niece text me yesterday that she is signing up for that one! Her first HM!!!! (She's the one I'm racing with at Dirty Girl)

Very cool!  I'll try to make it up to the Dirty Girl to meet her and cheer you both on.  Zion will be my 1st HM too.  I haven't signed up yet because they're asking for an approximate time and I frankly have no idea since I've never run close to that distance. Any idea how to calculate that?

Well, I was unsure what to do with them since people have not been updating their logs and/or are injured and racing.  Thus the previous post with all of the I hope your knee/shoulder/thyroid/crud is better ;-)  In other words, I cheated.

OK, this is something that's been bugging me for the past week.

When is it OK for a church or other organization to demand a course change to an event?

Background:  Earlier this year was the inaugural Rock n Roll Raleigh.  The event has a 5 year contract and an approved course.  The event was a Sunday event and it happened to fall on Palm Sunday.  The churches downtown were pretty bent out of shape about it.  The course was modified some for the 2014 event and will be modified a bit more for 2015.  The sponsor is the Raleigh Chamber of Commerce and part of the point was to get people downtown.

Fast forward to the inaugural Ironman Chattanooga.  The event had an approved course with permits and all that jazz.  One month before the event someone got bent out of shape about it and the bike course was modified to be 116 miles instead of 112. My suspicion, which is probably biased by the RnR Raleigh on Palm Sunday situation, is that the “big Baptist Church” complained and forced the course change.  Someone who did some recon posted the following: “... the left turn on Old Chattanooga Valley Road would be VERY hairy, plus all the colliding traffic from the big Baptist church, whose services are smack in the middle of 5,000 streaming cyclists (2,500 x 2 laps) are prescriptions for disaster IMHO."

Whaaaaaaaaat.  Didn't see this coming.  People were wondering how Challenge was going to enter the North American market.  I guess we have our answer.  I wonder what will happen to the New Albany HIM that was Challenge-branded, but run by one of the local event companies...

Originally posted by rrrunner

Originally posted by laffinrock

Originally posted by 4agoodlife

Originally posted by rrrunner

Looks like I'll be staying put between Erin and all of the Texas Manatees.  Funny that one of the first things I thought is that I'm stuck with the sucky NM races

Well darn. Here I was starting to plan CO races hmmm...Maybe the TX and AZ manatees will have to do a motorcycle meetup in NM. Wonder if they make bike racks for motorcycles? :D

Hey now, I'm in CO so you can still come up this way!  I'm on the Front Range, not the Western Slope, though, so that makes the trip a little farther unless I meet you in the middle.  Or I could maybe come to a TX/NM/AZ meet-up.  I'm also planning to do that Zion HM in March if you want to join me...

And they do make bike racks for motorcycles.  Funny you should mention that; TJ and I were just talking about it this past weekend.  Goggle "motorcycle bicycle carrier" and you'll get lots of results.  Here's an example:

My niece text me yesterday that she is signing up for that one! Her first HM!!!! (She's the one I'm racing with at Dirty Girl)

Very cool!  I'll try to make it up to the Dirty Girl to meet her and cheer you both on.  Zion will be my 1st HM too.  I haven't signed up yet because they're asking for an approximate time and I frankly have no idea since I've never run close to that distance. Any idea how to calculate that?

I blame the city or county who approved the race to begin with, they obviously did not factor in congestion caused by Easter services around the race venue and or the congestion with the Baptist Church before approving the plan.  I would have to see what the permit says, but once approved the city should not be able to demand changes absent extraordinary circumstances.  Of course, the city could say that the danger created by the meeting of the traffic from the church with the riders is an extraordinary circumstance and that would allow the forced change.  Plus the race directors of both RnR and Chattanooga may also be trying to maintain a good relationship with the city and the churches/parishioners, so they can keep coming back. 

Racing Manatees!

A listing of Manatee Races, Rides and Runs and other events
====

September 6-7
Erin - Barn Burner 104, 2-man relay on Saturday
Janyne - BikeMS on Saturday and Sunday
Kirsten - Coho Swim on Sunday
Melanie - Diamondman Challenge Sprint Triathlon on Sunday
Randee - Pumpkinman Half Iron Triathlon on Sunday
Tom - Hancock Horizontal Hundred on Sunday

Wow!  I've done 2 Rev3 races (ok, the same race 2x) and found them to be a great group to race with.  I hope this merger maintains that factor and allows the company (ies) to thrive.  I'd hate to have just IM branded races!!

OK, this is something that's been bugging me for the past week.

When is it OK for a church or other organization to demand a course change to an event?

Background:  Earlier this year was the inaugural Rock n Roll Raleigh.  The event has a 5 year contract and an approved course.  The event was a Sunday event and it happened to fall on Palm Sunday.  The churches downtown were pretty bent out of shape about it.  The course was modified some for the 2014 event and will be modified a bit more for 2015.  The sponsor is the Raleigh Chamber of Commerce and part of the point was to get people downtown.

Fast forward to the inaugural Ironman Chattanooga.  The event had an approved course with permits and all that jazz.  One month before the event someone got bent out of shape about it and the bike course was modified to be 116 miles instead of 112. My suspicion, which is probably biased by the RnR Raleigh on Palm Sunday situation, is that the “big Baptist Church” complained and forced the course change.  Someone who did some recon posted the following: “... the left turn on Old Chattanooga Valley Road would be VERY hairy, plus all the colliding traffic from the big Baptist church, whose services are smack in the middle of 5,000 streaming cyclists (2,500 x 2 laps) are prescriptions for disaster IMHO."

To answer your question directly, I would have to say "Never". Demand is a strong word, especially for a church.

I can only tell you that our church would welcome the opportunity to have 2500 racers + family and friends in the vicinity of our property. Then again the church council president races these types of things, so we'd be biased. 

IMHO, I can see changing the course for the safety of all involved.  But, all of this ought to have been squared away when the permiting and such was originally put into action.  I mean, who plans a 2500 person race passing a "big" church parking lot on a sunday morning? I'd love to see the contracts, permits and other documentation that went into the entire process, if only to get a good idea of the cluster that goes into this sort of thing. I can only imagine the bureaucratic BS that had to happen to get this type of thing changed. 

In the case of Chattanooga, I suspect that a lot of the issue is that most of the bike course is in Georgia.  I have no idea why most Ironman races are on Sunday. It's not like most people finish the race and go to work the next day.  Anyway, whoever did it, revoking the permits at the last minute was not cool.  I suspect that they don't understand that people what they were asking.  What's another 4 miles?  That's like 5% more, right?  (and how long is the marathon that you are running anyway?  yes, people actually ask.)

In the case of Raleigh, I don't know who was thinking what.  RnR events are also mostly on Sunday.  Raleigh asked for the date and wanted to promote downtown.  I even think that Raleigh helped set the route.  Some churches were very supportive and had priests/ministers waving to the runners and others were kinda nasty in the local media. 

Edited to cross out the part that doesn't make sense.

In the case of Chattanooga, I suspect that a lot of the issue is that most of the bike course is in Georgia.  I have no idea why most Ironman races are on Sunday. It's not like most people finish the race and go to work the next day.  Anyway, whoever did it, revoking the permits at the last minute was not cool.  I suspect that they don't understand that people what they were asking.  What's another 4 miles?  That's like 5% more, right?  (and how long is the marathon that you are running anyway?  yes, people actually ask.)

In the case of Raleigh, I don't know who was thinking what.  RnR events are also mostly on Sunday.  Raleigh asked for the date and wanted to promote downtown.  I even think that Raleigh helped set the route.  Some churches were very supportive and had priests/ministers waving to the runners and others were kinda nasty in the local media. 

Edited to cross out the part that doesn't make sense.