Peter Sagan....it was just a pinch (Page 8)

At least not in mixed company.

I do not recall professing to be a lady.

It's no different than arguing with your wife.....the longer it goes on the less chance you have.

Dude arguing is an endurance sport!  HTFU and train harder!

Haven't read all 9 pages, but in Maryland that is fourth degree sexual assault and second degree assault.

I've prosecuted it.

Thanks for chiming in.  I hoped you would a few pages back.  Here's my question: Let's say you know that Person X pinched Person Y on the rear.  What other questions would you need answers to before deciding it is criminal?  Or are those facts sufficient?  Certainly, if Person Y consented it's not criminal, but what else would you need to know.

Thanks for making this distinction. Retaliation and self defense are two different things.

ooh i'm interested again. If a woman pinched my butt, and I punched her in the face, what happens? (context on the previous page)

I will agree there is a distinction but I will not agree with it being retaliation or the courts dichotomy.  Is a woman supposed to let a man stand there and grope her till she can find a cop?

So he's trying to read her banners......what?

Good point!!

Doesn't intent factor into this as well? For instance, I am not going to be arrested for bumping someone by accident on the sidewalk.

Be glad you have never been put in the situation where you have had to defend yourself against a sexual assault.  I have not been so lucky.  When they are bigger and stronger than you it is not uncommon that they do not stop at simple groping.

DQ for outside assistance.

I am sorry that happened to you, but I would think having a traumatic experience like that would bias you on this subject matter no?

But in the case at hand here.........no.  I think this the point that everyone gets hung up on.  "Those who would be offended" see this as a clear crossing of the line.....those who worry more about SERIOUS and REAL assaults see this as stupid, and nothing more.  Stupid gets you into trouble, but let's not confuse the two, or the amount of trouble each can garner you.

Trinna.......I'm pretty sure I understand fighting for my life as well as anyone on this board.

Every case is fact dependent, but the facts here would be sufficient.

A second degree assault is an unlawful/ offensive touching (or an intent to frighten, depends on the theory you're going on). A fourth degree sexual offense is unlawful/ offensive touching on sexual body parts (ie breasts, buttocks)