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2011-03-23 2:32 PM
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Lunch runs. I was thinking, I could easily add a lunch time run, probably limited to about 3 miles to have time to run, change, eat and be presentable. I'm not sure how that might affect the remainder of my training if it all but it would achieve the goal of "run frequency" and I might drop my Thursday night tempo/interval run and score an early evening at home or move a swim/bike workout in it's place.The days are fabulously warm and sunny now, hot is right around the corner, and these 4pm (my typical lunch time) runs would get me some heat of the day training time in preparation for Branson. The run frequency might help develop my base for the December 4 Marathon. I currently get 3 days of focused runs and 1 or 2 brick runs. The regular runs are 5 to 7 miles Tuesday ("easy") night, 3-4 miles Thursday(Tempo/Interval) and a long/Slow run Sunday-up to 10 miles currently. My current schedule is has my long runs approaching 50% of my weekly volume, adding the shorter lunch runs would soften that ratio a bit. If I make them optional-low pressure runs they shouldn't contribute any mental stress. What does everyone think? Logs are current



2011-03-23 9:30 PM
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JEFF -

I will think more about the bigger picture you present, but right off the bat the idea I support the most is the one about training for the heat of Branson. A woman from my first group was doing Ironman Louisville as her first iron last August, and made the commitment to train for the stultifying heat of Louisville in late August. Her husband was also doing IMLOO, and wasn't too keen on Lisa's plans -- which had her doing most of her serious runs in the hottest part of the day where they live, in Reston, VA. It turns out that it was indeed a charcteristically hot day in Louisville, but Lisa had a terrific marathon and her overall time was sensational. Her ultimate reasoning was that "No one likes the heat, so rather than complain about it and avoid it like everybody else, I'll train myself so that I'm ready for it." Does that mindset resonate with you, perhaps?


2011-03-23 10:45 PM
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The mindset makes sense to me. Although I live and train in Texas, for 11 years or so I have worked evenings behind a desk so I don't get the same exposure to the heat I used to. Also, the humidity in Missouri is a bigger factor than the temperature. I did BAM (Bike Across Mo) in 1999 and the humidity layered with the very intense rolling hills were very tough.

 The other issue was base building for later in the year and simply maximizing my time better.

First Tri of the season this weekend. Will be a bit rushed, if I go. We are traveling to Kansas for a funeral on Sunday after the race, that has thrown a damper on the spirit of the thing but I will probably go.

Broke 2 min on a 100, last rep of the set tonight 1:59

2011-03-24 7:40 AM
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JEFF -

If you stay healthy and continue on the trajectory that your current training is suggesting, you'll have no problem at all with a Base before December 4. In fact, you will have a HUGE Base, and one that many marathoners would kill for. It's 8+ months to evolve your current runs into something approximating 26.2, but being at 10 now it'll be as leisurely as you want it to be. Even if you wanted your last long run to be 24 miles, that is still attainable by ramping up the mileage by a mere half-mile a week --- and you'd STILL have time left. Beyond that, at some point when tri/du season is done, you'll be dumping the bricks and maybe most of the swims as well. So, there'll be even more time to get set for the marathon!

The biggest problem (barring injury) you could have is hitting a peak too early, or maybe even one or two peaks. Thinking a bit about it now, however, are you planning to just hold at ~10 miles for the long run for a while? Branson is when -- about Sept 10? If so, you could crusie along at ~10 miles for a few months, and then begin making an assault on 13.1 five or six weeks out from Branson. That would help you avoid burnout or injury over the next few months.

Yeah. The humidity. I forgot that. I guess you could plan a few training trips to east of Houston in June and July, eh?

Good breakthrough on the swim! Probably makes you want to jump right back in the water today, yes?


2011-03-24 8:38 AM
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Yes, I was thinking of holding ten for a while. I have some weird logic that suggest double mileage of a short event is  good thing. My first A race is an olympic so I was thinking ten to 12 mile runs would be good and some 50ish rides. I also have 2 centuries on deck this summer. I was looking at taking some trips upt o Lake Murray Oklahoma to get some hills, Ill send a link tot he route later. We have one 1 mile long climb about 15 miles away I could ride laps on, other than that it's just North Texas...
2011-03-24 10:35 AM
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This is Lake Murray:

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/training/map.asp?routeid=153051

4 laps gives me over 5000 ft of climbing, plus in that area there are other options around "The Arbuckle Wilderness".

This is Pink Hill Road:

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/training/map.asp?routeid=153256

There are about a hundred ways to get there and dozens of options to build routes of any length on it.



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Had my knee roto-rootered (cartilage floaters) on Monday, on the shelf for a week at least, probably two, the Dr. said it'll be purely a pain tolerance  decision on my part.   Still wide awake at 4:30 a.m. though.  
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David Good luck in the race this weekend. I hope it all goes well.

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Sementi - 2011-03-24 1:30 PM Had my knee roto-rootered (cartilage floaters) on Monday, on the shelf for a week at least, probably two, the Dr. said it'll be purely a pain tolerance  decision on my part.   Still wide awake at 4:30 a.m. though.  

Bummer, heal quickly.

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GENE -

Yikes! Was thet in the plans, or just a spur-of-the-moment idea ("Say! What a swell day for some cartilage floaters!")?

Have you had this done before? If not, what was the reason for it on Monday?

Obey that doctor's orders. Now is a great time for any procedure beyond blowing one's nose, as it allows ample time for recovery before the season gets too close. Keep us posted as to you progress --- and better luck sleeping tonight!


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JEFF -

I believe in over-training to some degree, but not to the extent that you prefer. If all I was looking at was sprints and olys, with nary a half-iron in sight, I would do every fifth ride at maybe 50 or even 60km, and every fifth or sixth run at 11-14km. Mostly, though, I aim for intensity and speed, and keep those efforts at or below the 40km bike and 10km run of an oly. And if my life was just sprints, it would be maybe every 10th ride and run at the distances of an oly, with all the rest of the stuff at sprint distance or just slightly above.

For swimming, from May to mid-Oct I NEVER go in the pool, and do instead 3-5 open water swims a week. This are mostly just waht I want them to be in terms of yardage, with no real attention paid to the distance of the up-comning race. This cahnges when there is a half-iron on deck and I know I have to do several 40+-minute swims, but otherwise most of my OWS are about 1500-2000m in distance, or in the 30/40-minute range. And most are "fartleks", picking up the pace whenvever I feel like it and for however long it amuses me each time.

For you, though, with that marathon on Dec 4, all of the long runs will work to get you very accustomed to being on your feet for xx amount of time!




2011-03-24 5:32 PM
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JEFF -

Nice work on generating those routes!

About how far from you is each of them? And do I take it that each of the roads off of Pink Hill is suitable for riding? And Lake Murray -- positively swimmable?

I'm sure I've told you before that, out my door, I am severely restircted as to any meaningful elevation. For that, I have to drive either about 25 minutes in one direction and 25 in another before there is anything.....worth driving to. If I drive about 60' into Quebec, I can get some great climbing in the Gatineau Hills, but that does require the initial effort just to get there.

The dominating feature of my rides here in the flats of eastern Ontario is wind, but rather than become a monogamous lover of it, I'm much more cozy with hills. I have learned how to climb quite well over the years.......but have yet to shrink my 6'2" inch frame and my 58cm bike to be less appealing to the forces of wind resistance (even though my position is very good.)!










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2011-03-24 5:51 PM
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stevebradley - 2011-03-24 5:32 PM JEFF - Nice work on generating those routes! About how far from you is each of them? And do I take it that each of the roads off of Pink Hill is suitable for riding? And Lake Murray -- positively swimmable? I'm sure I've told you before that, out my door, I am severely restircted as to any meaningful elevation. For that, I have to drive either about 25 minutes in one direction and 25 in another before there is anything.....worth driving to. If I drive about 60' into Quebec, I can get some great climbing in the Gatineau Hills, but that does require the initial effort just to get there. The dominating feature of my rides here in the flats of eastern Ontario is wind, but rather than become a monogamous lover of it, I'm much more cozy with hills. I have learned how to climb quite well over the years.......but have yet to shrink my 6'2" inch frame and my 58cm bike to be less appealing to the forces of wind resistance (even though my position is very good.)!

Nearly everything in the vicinity of Pink Hill is rideable, and Bells is about a 15 mile rde from my front door-easy for me.

Lake Murray is a bit of a road trip but frees me from the trap of an easy out and home like the local routes give me..it is too easy to make an easy short cut home. It is a popular recreational lake, and there are swimming areas. I would need to research that a bit. I used to fly up there to eat at the Lodge, they have a little general aviation runway by the golf course. Lake Texoma has plenty of swimming available to me on weekends as well, I could construct a ride connecting the two and throw in a swim. I Rode across Oklahoma to kansas one year in the same area

2011-03-25 10:39 AM
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So this week has been a wash and next week I'm not sure about yet. I made it to spin class on Tuesday and that's the only thing I've been able to do. Work has been really busy (a very good thing) and I haven't been able to get my runs in at lunch. Kathy had carpal tunnel surgery a couple weeks ago and can't do spin class but Tuesday she ran on the treadmill while I did spin. Kathy's Grandma passed away Wed. night and our kids are coming home so we will have a full house for the next week.

So my question is, do I call this past week a rest week and pick up the plan where I stopped, go back a week and pick up there or pick up the plan where I should be? this week was the second  week of the build cycle. Next week is week three then a rest week.

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CRAIG -

In general, it's best to just let lost workouts go. However, that changes some with (a) "key" workouts, or (b) a large block of workouts -- such as a week's worth. The worst thing one can do is try to cram all or even most of the lost ones into a current week of workouts, as the risk then becomes either compromising many of the workouts at best, or ending up with an overuse injury or two.

Unless you see that any of the return-week workouts evolve out of ones from the lost week, let the lost ones go. So, if there are just a few random rides in the return-week that have nothing to do, really, with rides from the lost week......just carry on as if nothing happened to get in the way of your training!

Another way to look at it is to see which of the lost workouts really seem a shame to have missed --- not in terms of "fun", but in terms of "benefits". So, if there was a tough swim session that emphasized an area that you feel you are weak at.....that's the one to try and salvage! Seriously!

I'm sorry about Kathy's carptun and her grandma -- that's a double dose of trouuble for her that she sure didn't need, now or any other time.


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Steve,

Thanks, this week called for 64 / 38 & 51 min runs next week is 70 / 42 / 56 last week was

58 / 35 / 46(missed). I think I will start next week at the 64 that I missed this week instead of jumping from 58 to 70. What do you think?



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Well I had my 3rd 5K race this morning, and it was not good, but there is always next time.  Ran in 35:00min, which is better than the 1st one this year and worse then the 2nd one.  About 2.5 I ran out of gas and started feeling light headed.  Decided to walk a little vs passing out. After about 3 min walk I felt better and ran the rest of the way in.  This month has not been good on the legs.  The 1st of the month I was off 2 weeks from running because bad shin splints, and that is what lead me to get new shoes 2 weeks ago, which are working out very well.  Then last week between my thigh and groin on the left leg started to hurt when I stretched it out, so I decided not to do any running.  This morning the legs felt great, just did not have the gas to make it all the way.  I posted my results in my race log.  Also next time I will start in the front of the pack. Today it took 32 seconds to get to the starting line and I was still walking when I passed it.  Once I started to run it was not at my pace, it was slower and some points it was to a walk pace. Reason is that about 50-100 walkers thought they needed to be up front, so we had to weave in and out and stop and go to get around all the walkers.  I just wish people would line up based on their running ability.  Well have a great evening folks.  Me and the wife are heading to dinner then to watch some movie she wants to see called Red Riding Hood, its supposed to be a horror flick I guess.

Results from the race have been posted. Finished 35 of 56 in Age Group and 651 overall out of 1614. 



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Checking in again!

 

I'm back from an amazing 2 weeks in Australia. We had such a great time and I'd love to go back someday to see more of the country. I worked out about every other day but not as much as I would of at home but that's ok We did tons of walking every day and I'm sure that was good for me too.

 

My official HIM training started the last week of February and with my marathon the first weekend of March and then vacation, I'm going to take this next week to ease back into a regular routine. I started today with a 3 hour bike that had me dragging for the last 30 min! I'll just adjust the week as my body needs.

 

It'll take me a while to catch up on posts but I hope everyone has been doing well

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Cowtown Sprint Tri done. Good swim, great run, awful bike. Saturday was 80 degrees and all last week was 80ish. I just didnt pay attention enough to realize race morning would be 40 degrees! The pool was very warm but I was so cold on the bike, no socks, tri jersey etc. My hands were numb on the bike my feet went numb I limped through T-2 but I was never so happy to start running!

 The swim was chaotic, I originally seeded myself too low, estimated a 10 minute swim but did 7:24. So there were swimmers walking-wading? Swimmers hanging on to the walls resting which killed the flip turn idea and lots of passing were I would look up and see a swimmer headed right toward me. I am happy with my swim time given the obstacle. Next time Ill be more precise and hopefully faster and start with better swimmers maybe?

http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=246199&posts=1&start=1

Total time was 1:32. I really hoped for 1:15.

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Av8rTx - 2011-03-28 8:45 AM

Cowtown Sprint Tri done. Good swim, great run, awful bike. Saturday was 80 degrees and all last week was 80ish. I just didnt pay attention enough to realize race morning would be 40 degrees! The pool was very warm but I was so cold on the bike, no socks, tri jersey etc. My hands were numb on the bike my feet went numb I limped through T-2 but I was never so happy to start running!

 The swim was chaotic, I originally seeded myself too low, estimated a 10 minute swim but did 7:24. So there were swimmers walking-wading? Swimmers hanging on to the walls resting which killed the flip turn idea and lots of passing were I would look up and see a swimmer headed right toward me. I am happy with my swim time given the obstacle. Next time Ill be more precise and hopefully faster and start with better swimmers maybe?

http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=246199&posts=1&start=1

Total time was 1:32. I really hoped for 1:15.

 

Sounds hectic... but great experience.  I totally get your cold on the bike thing.  When I did my duathlon in January, my feet when totally numb, fingers could barely squeeze the brakes, and felt like I was running with clubs for feet for about the first 2km.  Once I got warmed up, I was SOOO happy!

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GANG!

Sorry to have been away a bit. We left for Lynn's brother's cottage satruday aft/eve, and just returned a while ago -- in time for Lynn to hustle off to work. It was okay, but cold; I'm kind of glad to be back home!

Onwards!




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GEORGE -

Good try, and mostly I'm sorry it was a frustration for you with walkers-dodging and all!

As for the result being not exactly what you wanted......remember my wise words that training and racing is never linear! If only all training and results were linear, we'd be ready for the olympics within a year or two!

You have covered the reasons that more than adequately explain why you didn't do as well as the 2nd 5km, and so with 3 out of 4 weeks being mostly run-less, well, that alone says it all. Consistency is key for running improvement, and at least for me it is more important there than for cycling and swimming. Your aerobic engine ("just did not have the gas") got a tad rusty during those layoffs, and so once you get your consistency going again, more satisfying results should follow!

I will look at your race log as soon as I finish with posts. How are you feeling now, two days after it? Ready for some repentence with the next 5km?


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GEORGE again -

I am a big fan of staggered starts to running races, and it can be very simple ---- walkers start five minutes after the "run" start. There will be a course marshal at about the 0.5 km mark, and if anyone is walking at that point they are required to wait for the mass of walkers to catch up to them in another couple of minutes.

"Pace bunnies" are also useful, even for 5km. Have a p.b. for every five-minute increment, from 15' to 50', and that will go a long ways towards smoothing things out. It doesn't mean that people have to follow the pace bunny, and in the world of pace bunnies there is always those who fall behind and others who surge ahead.....but at least it's something!





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CRAIG -

Yes! Start the week with the missed one and avoid the bigger jump. This is a good time to be wise and let discretion be the better part of valor. (Your non-injured self will thank you for it!)



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JOHANNE -

Glad to have you back, glad the trip went well. Lynn, too, enjoyed her time in Oz. She didn't enjoy the flights much, and that's a big benefit for you --- just one flight, thus saving all those hours (5-6 each way) to get from the left coast back here.

Yeah, easing back into a regular routine is probably in line for you. Nice work, though, on the 30-hour ride, even if you did drag for the last 30 minutes!

(You're the first woman who's posted here in a few days. I hope the rest return soon, as it's never a good idea to leave a bunch of men anywhere, unattended!)



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