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gdsemiller - 2011-04-06 4:47 AM

Good Morning Everyone,

Question about the Gold and Silver plans again.  I was looking at cant rally figure out what is the best plan to get.  I did see that silver has minutes only vs gold has detailed plans.  Does anyone know what they mean by detail plans.  I want to get a plan that has like the swim (swim Xtimes doing this, and then xtimes doing this and so on) not just swim 45min.  I created my plan that im using off a free one and it only gave minutes but it did not tell me what to do in those minutes.  So my training has been Run Xmin, Swim xmin and Bike Xmin, but I dont do any drills because I dont know what drills to do and how long to do them.  Maybe that is why my numbers are not increasing.  Also once you pick a plan, I see where Ellen and Johanne talked about moving things around during the week.  Do you actually move the plan in BT or do you just make a mental note that you switched days.  Last question I hear yall talk about taper during race week.  In the plan do you put the races you are having during the year and it works around those races.  The plan I have on excel does not taper during the races, so I just lower the volume of the wrkout that week, but I dont know if Im lowering it enough or to much.  Any suggestions will be great.  Have a great day.

 

I'm on the silver plan. Below is an example of the details from one days workout. I think you have to pay for the plan to see the details which is probably why you are only seeing times.

 

I transfer the details to my iCal calendar on my computer because I tend to look at it several times during the day As far as changing the plan, when I do make adjustments, I move things around on my iCal. In my BT log page, it stays the same on the left side where BT shows this weeks workouts but on my daily log that I plug in when I finish the workout, it'll show what I actually did.

 

As far as tapering, I'm using a plan for a HIM in July. I added a tri in May and June (both Olys) that fit into the workouts that weekend. The plan gives me a taper before the HIM but I'll probably adjust a bit the week before the Oly's.

 

Hope that makes sense.

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MS: 40' tempo run at LT or 10k could be substituted. 
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Pulling: 4x250 on 30". 
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Kicking: 200 Choice. 
8x100 Pace 85% 25" rest. 
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Kick (Regular) - regular kickboard kick or kick on back with hands over head, fingers locked.
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Thanks Johanne, that is what Im looking for.  I guess I will try the silver package.  I might need yalls help trying to read them, I have no idea what that plan was telling you to do but I do like it.
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gdsemiller - 2011-04-06 10:45 AM Thanks Johanne, that is what Im looking for.  I guess I will try the silver package.  I might need yalls help trying to read them, I have no idea what that plan was telling you to do but I do like it.

 

Yes, I like the specific workouts. It's easier to wrap my mind around what I have to do. Since I swim with a masters team, I just do what ever swim workout the coach gives us that day. The rest I try to follow as close as I can. I think the advantage to a gold membership is access to an online coach to answer questions and I believe make personalized changes for you. I'm not positive though. But then again, we have Steve

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off for some punishment in the form of a 1500yd swim. 
2011-04-06 4:54 PM
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Thanks again Johanne for your input.  I think I will go with the Silver and I agree we have Steve and all of you to help on coaching.  Everytime I have a questions yall have a great answer.  Sorry I cannot give to much input on training since I just started, but if you have a questions on what is a good movie or tv show and what is the best way to sit on my couch or recliner while watching TV and eating junk food then Im the man for you.  I have plenty of experience in that field (17 years).  But I hope the questions will not go there, atleast not as to the sitting and eating junk food.  Again this is one D*** good group and Im happy to be part of it.  Have a great day everyone. 

Have fun in your swim Daniel.  I decided to sleep in today and workout tonight.  I think Im going to do a 2 mile run, 30 min on the gym bike and then to the pool to swim until I go under which might be only 25yds, but we will see.  Did really bad on the nutrition today.  I ate breakfast and peanuts for snack, but I have been busy working with new clients that I missed lunch so I ate some grapes and peanuts.  Will take a good yummy gel before workout to see if that will help.

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GEORGE -

The simple answer is that the plan was telling Johanne to work her tokhis off!

Beyond that, the detail is quite tight, albeit difficult to decipher for one who hasn't learned the acronyms and "shorthand" of training plans. But that really will come to you quick enough, and I'm more than happy to help with interpretations as needed in the meantime.

Every so often, truth told, i come across a workout that has me scratching my head --- and I've been looking at these things for a long time! Mostly this happens with plans in British and Australian tri magazines, so I guess that should make me feel a bit less insecure.

Also, i still have trouble remembering the acronyms used by Matt Fitzgerald in his comprehensive book "Essential Week-By-Week Training Guide". As examples: CLI; SDS; BRW; RLR. Answers: Bike Lactate Intervals; Swim Drill Set; Brick Workout; Long Run. Admittedly, there are nice clues in those ones, and actually in most of the ~30 acronyms he uses.....but I just have trouble keeping them straight!

ANYHOW, I'm here to decipher and interpet as best I can (and if I send you off on a 4000m swim where what is actually called for is 4X10 hill repeats on your bike.....don't blame me --- I'm 62 and easily befuddled! )





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GEORGE again -

And how did the run/gym/swim trifecta work out for you? It's a nice, aggressive plan for an evening's amusement, and I hope it all went well!


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DANIEL -

And as for your 1500m swim --- pain or pleasure?

Also, how was the volunteer gig at Oceanside? Inspirational? Motivational? Just plain tiring??



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Crappy swim tonight, just not "feeling it" as they say, the water at 24hr fitness was very cold, probably "wetsuit legal", I quit at 700 yards, didn't even bother with the 600 yard warm up, just did a couple of 50's and 3x200. Went home and took my dog for a 1 mile run
2011-04-06 10:23 PM
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JOHANNE -

Ack!

I just noticed your question from the previous page, and although I'm hustling off to bed, i'll say a few things for now and then try to be more incisive tomorrow when i can try to view the entire plan.

I'm figuring it's mostly to accommodate people with M-F jobs, especially since it is so early in the plan. I can see a case for such a back-to-back run/ride sequence in another month or two as a strong argument for cumulative endurance-building, but now I think it's just trying to allow people to get in both a long run and a long ride without going bonkers tring to fit one of them in during a work day.

So, tentatively, i think you're fine to separate them if that's what works most effectively for you; i.e., so that one of them doesn't suffer through having done the other the day before. Along about week 12/13/14 and beyond, the weekend two-for will be more important, but for now I think it is expendable or adaptable.


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stevebradley - 2011-03-31 9:32 PM LORI - Let's be rudimentary here and play around with the old 10% rule and see where that gets us: 4-4: 8 miles 4-11: 8.8 4-18: 9.7 4-25: 10.6 5-2: 11.7 5-9: 12.9 5-16: ?? 5-23: maybe 4-6 easy miles, being just six days out from the race; or 7, and a 4-miler two or three days later? Change the 10% to 10.1%, and you'd just about be at race disatnce on the 9th. Voila! If you want a "step-back" week, then thatcould be on the 18th or 25th. However, if right now you think you can just forge ahead and maybe even go over-distance on 5-16 before you start to wind it down and oozle on into a taper, then that's fine too --- maybe even desirable. A question to ask yourself is how important is it for you to get as close to 13.1 in your training. For some people it matters hugely, but in general I feel that it is more improtant with the longer distances to err on the side of safe training and count on race-day adrenaline to fill in the gaps. So for a marathon, that would mean stopping at 22-24 miles, and a half-marathon can be tackled well (enough) if the training stops at 11.5-12 miles. You have knowledge of what it feels like to be on your feet for 13.1 miles -- and then some!!!! -- so arguably you can get by with some toned-down training --- especially since it isn't an "A" race for you. What d'ya think?

Steve,

Love your suggestions so I am planning on lengthening one of the runs every week to almost get to half marathon distance.  Not getting to the full distance in training doesn't bother me that much.

This week has a one hour run on Monday (20 min WU, 30 min of :30 fast/:30 EZ, 10 min CD), a 20 min brick run on Thursday after bike class, another 1 hour run on Friday, and a 30 min brick run on Saturday with the same pattern as Monday (:30/:30s).

Friday's run will be bumped up to 1:15 or so (about 8 miles).  Not sure if I will actually do the run on Friday or Saturday but I am betting Saturday morning due to bad weather Saturday PM/Sunday AM.  Running three days in a row scares me a bit.  I like no more than every other day for running.  Looks like the 3 out of the next 4 days running no matter what.



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50andgettingfit - 2011-04-05 4:25 PM

............and just when I had a question

 

I actually do have a question. This is for anyone and for Steve when he gets back. I'm following the BT 20 week HIM plan and I'm on week 6. Most of the weeks have a long run Saturday and a long bike Sunday or the other way around. Is that to work on building up overall endurance or is it designed for working people who don't have the time during the week for the longer workouts? I moved things around this week and did the long run today because I want to have good energy for the long bike this week and when I do them back to back, something always suffers. If it's to build overall endurance I guess I'm going to have to deal.

Johanne

I agree with Steve, the plans have long rides and runs on the weekend to accomodate working folks.

Longer bricks probably serve the purpose of building up endurance better than running a long run on tired legs the next day.  Many of us older folks like more separation between the two to aid recovery.  Some of the older iron folks I know do their long runs on Wednesdays and their long bikes on Saturday.  I think as long as you get both in every week, you will be fine with moving them to a day that works best for you and your body.

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Well my little trifecta did not go as planned last night.  I went up to the college track to do my run, which I enjoyed because the track is kinda soft and not hard like the road.  Well I started my run and after 1.25 miles I left the track hunting down the nearest port a potty, I had to go do number 1.  The nearest bathroom was at the college rec center where Im a member of, so I ran up there.  Well since I was there I was then going to ride the bike for 30min, then run back to the track for 1.5miles and then back to the rec center for the swim.  About 10min into the bike, I received a call from my wife to see if I can come and get my son from my daughters cheer gym.  He just had braces put in his mouth that day and it was hurting him.  So my plans were cut short. (this is why I like the morning workouts, there is always something going on in the evening).  I decided this Saturday to go down to Mobile Bay and do a mini tri. I plan to swim for 20min, bike 15miles and run 3miles.  I want to get the feel of doing all three to prepare me for my sprint next weekend.  Well it off to rid the bike and then to the gym for a swim.   
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LORI -

Well, I hope some elements of my meagre suggestion works for you. It is diffiult to know how anyone will respond to anything (I can't even figure that out for myself!), which is pretty much why I went with a basic build to an acceptable time/distance pre-race peak, as opposed to trying to be innovatively clever.

As for the three in a row coming up.....I think you'll be fine? It's a longishrun sandwich made with brickbread, so it's not as if the two brick run will be demanding. The second one is probably a great time to work on technique matters the moment you take your first running stride off the bike. Keep the strides short and quick, but without treating the quick part as anything even approaching a sprint. It's just fast(er) feet, covering less ground each stride.

Anyhow, i like the hour run being set between the two bricks. The first will get you loose for it, the second will allow you some active recovery. And the repeat brick on Monday should be easy enough with the rest day between. Perfect!


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GEORGE -

Darn those pesky bladder issues, eh? (Hint: They aren't going to get any better as you get older! ) Well, good try, anyhow, and you're certainly right about less things in the way when you do workouts while the rest of the family is asleep.

For your simulated mini-tri in Mobile Bay, what will your set-up be? that is, will you have a kid or spouse standing guard over your gear, or will you be treating the back of your car as your transition space? The simulation will work slightly better if your set-up is with a guard, but you can still pull it off if it's out of the car. The key thing is to know in your mind what you're about to do. That is, in the final couple of minutes of the swim, begin going through in your head what you need to begin the bike, and then as you are in the final mile or two of the bike, begin mentally rehearsing your run needs.

As for your chosen distances.......don't get panicky if you think you might have to cut one or two of them short. Most training will NOT include a full simulated tri, and will rely on just a couple or few bike-run bricks to get one prepped for that part of the race. But if you can manage it, and think the experience will be enjoyable for you, then give it a shot. And speaking of shot, count on a shot or two of adrenaline on race day; this almost always helps to bridge any gaps between training and actual race distances.

Very shortly, I will post a couple of thoughts on race day swim strategies. Stay tuned!


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JEFF -

Nicely done on adapting to swim to suit your displeasure with water temp! Your set is decent enough on its own as a knock-off midweek swim, and as I've said often enough already, it's always smart to terminate a swim when things aren't feeling right, as to persevere often leads to the instilling of bad form-related habits.

And you made your dog one happy mutt!




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Good Morning my fellow Triathletes!!
I have been in hiding for a few weeks.. we have had some illnesses running through the house which tends to bring training to a halt, since it usually means the girls are up several times during the night and makes for a tired next day!!! So I think everyone is back to normal now after a couple rounds of antibiotics! Let the training begin!!
Looks like everyone is staying busy and the races have begun. Congrats to all that have completed their first races of the year!!
I had my bike fitting last week and he made a huge adjustment to my seat height, it was way to low, Got a new saddle and need to get a shorter stem for my handlebars. But other then that everything looked great! Now I am waiting for some decent weather to be able to try it out!!
Got in another 5k a couple weekends ago and did better then the last one but was about 30 seconds shy of my goal time.
Keep up the great training everyone!!!
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GEORGE again -

It's Mullet Man on the 16th, right? And is Orange Beach a coastal site, or a beach on a nice lake somewhere inland?



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SHANNEN -

Hey!

Good stuff about getting the bike fit accomplished. I suppose he told you that with such an overhaul, you should keep your first couple of rides modest in both time and distance. Otherwise, you might fine that various body parts (shoulders, wrsits, entire back.....) dith protest mightily! Anyhow, I hope it will help you considerably; I'm sure it will!

As for the 5km, nicely done on the time improvement, and just treat those other 30s as an exercise in Delayed Gratification. They WILL come in due course, and very likely sooner than later once your consistency is mostly back. And isn't that what springtime in the north is all about??


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GEORGE once more -

Do you know yet (a) how many people will be at Mullet Man, and (b) how many swim waves they will offer?


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Well back from my morning training. I rode 15.52 mile on my bike and then drove to the gym for a swim. Did 100yds warm up then 500-550 yds swim with a 3 minute break then another 500-550yds swim.  When I get to work I will put my time and find out exactly how many laps I did.

Steve as for this Sat, my Aunt rented a house on the Mobile Bay and it has a pier going out to the water.  I was going to use the rental house as my transition area. So I will set it up like race day.  As for the Mullet Man tri next weekend its on the beach.  The swim is 440yds out and back in the Gulf of Mexico, I hope the sharks stay away. About 16 years ago I think, there was a man and his friend doing an AM swim to get ready for a tri and one of the men lost his arm to a shark. Yikes.. That is one thing I get nervous about training for Tri's.  On land you have to worrie about the crazy drivers and in the water you have sharks in the gulf and gators in the bay.



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RACE-DAY SWIM THOUGHTS ---------------------

Lori mentioned this months ago, and now with George about to head off to his first triathlon, it seems like a good idea to say afew things.

The funny thing here, though, is that in 3+ months nobody has come forth expressing concern about the chaos of race-day swims; this was a very common feature of the landscape of my other two groups! People have heard horror stories of getting swum over, or elbowed, or kicked, and while this stuff CAN happen, it usually doesn't ---- AND it can be pretty much avoided. So.......

(1) The swim start is under your control. Within your wave, or even if it's a mass start, you can choose where you begin the swim. if you are leery of the chaods and the possibility of getting "beaten-up", then just start at the back. Even if you start 15 feet behind the start line....how long will it take you to swim 15 feet? That is usually done pretty quickly, and at most it will cost you 10-20 seconds of time --- time well spent if it allows you peace of mind and the opportunity to establish your own rhythm right away.

(2) You can enhance this if yo also start off to the side. This is especially good for people who know they can tend to "drift" to one side as they swim. I tend to drift to the left, so it always helps me some to start off more to the right; that way if I drift, I will have bodies to sense next to me so I can re-correct to getting more rightward.

(3) 99% of tri swimmers do NOT welcome any kind of body contact. So, even when you brush up against someone else, their reaction will be just like yours -- carom away! View every episode of contact os the fleeting thing it will almost always turn out to be; it doesn't have to be a cause of panic. Just allow yourself to re-correct away from the person you have made contact with, and feel confident that in most cases he or she is doing the same thing in the opposite direction. Like two ships passing in the night! (And not at all like the Titanic and its iceberg-of-doom!)

(4) As for being swum over, tnat has happened to me once in 88 race swims --- and the person who did it was an idiot. Why do I say that? Because it doing so, he risked more than I did -- I could've accidentally elbowed him, or kicked him, or yanked his leg in anger; he could've suffered a pop in the teeth, or had his goggles dislodged. FEW triathletes will risk any of that, and most strong swimmers are aware enough of their surroundings, and confident enough of their abilities, to know that a person is in front of them and then be able to move slightly to the side, accelerate, and pass them. So, don't worry about getting swum over!




I have to head off now, but I will add a couple of items later on.




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Steve, I missed some of your questions from this morning.  The race is on 4/16 and I dont know how many racers and how many waves they are having.  I had to email the Bar that is doing the race just to find out when transition opens that saturday.  They had very limited info. I do know that its limited to 450 racers and I think I heard last year sold out. Thanks for the post above about race day.

My my training this moring was a 15.52 mile bike then a 550yd swim 13:47min with a 3 min break and then another 550yd swim 14:18min.  Felt really good today.



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OKAY, I just bought a used wetsuit from wetsuitrental.com, $90+ shipping, hopefully I'll get it mid week to try it on. Next tri is 4/17 features a short open water swim in a small community park.

I rolled the dice on Fed ex standard ground

I bought the aquasphere pursuit universal fit wetsuit

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I thought I posted already but maybe I forgot to hit 'enter'. Hate when i do that

Anyhow...I've hopped on the buying bandwagon. Just bought a Griffen used tri bike off ebay. I really didn't think I'd win it thus was not totally expecting to fork over that kind of cash. doh! But I got it for 670. what a deal! I've heard good things about Griffens - but I do know they are not made anymore. Anyone ride one? Hope I haven't made a big mistake. I'm still not sure what I'll say to my husband LOL. Guess I'll be selling my road bike. Anyone wanna tri converted rode bike? Nice Jamis...not too many miles...profile design tri bars... I'll even throw in my rubber whale horn!

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