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2011-04-08 12:53 PM in reply to: #3256772 |
Master 2236![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Denison Texas | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDx2 on patience. I started running-and everything else again in July 2010. By early November I was feeling really good-like I could run forever and feeling fast...that's when I started ramping up both mileage and intensity and that's when I first got injured-some sort of hip/quad/groin thing. That injury first showed up on an 8.5 mile run. Not long by comparison to today but my longest to date and at a good pace partly on trails. The good news about that injury is it forced me back to reality and back to patience and balance. Yesterday I did my speed workout and did 2.77 in 25 minutes-about a 9:02 pace. It was SUPPOSED to be a tempo run but I picked too fast a tempo, blew up a little over a mile and ended up with a brief walking interval and then alternating between run/jog to finish. So since January 1 when it took me almost 4 hours to finish 13 miles I am starting to consistently flirt with <30 5k's and recover faster without any serious pain, I also have become more respectful of 'certain" aches and back off instead of run through them. My feeling is the major improvements occur over the course of months and years not weeks. My previous incarnation as an athlete supports this when I bother to think back over those years. It took me about 3 years to go from a 12 hour solo century to a sub 5 hour century and most of that was built on volume over many months, and I started racing shorter races which added some speed to my distance rides. I guess my point is the same as Steve said and to remind myself, because I am starting to feel frisky again, is to be patient and be smart |
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2011-04-08 3:16 PM in reply to: #3256772 |
Extreme Veteran 371![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Mobile | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDAlex, great job on the swim. I noticed in your log that you have lost 22 pounds since January, that is awesome. You are doing better then me, Im down about 12 pounds since January. For some reason it's taking me a longer time to lose these pounds. Craig - keep up the running. Im a long way off from a sub 10min mile. I was hard on myself for the 1st 3 months of training. I would look back when I was racing in my early 20's and running 7min miles and I wanted to get back there. Well Im 65 pounds heavier so I say to my self "SELF you are not slower, you are faster and stronger, Back when you were 20 you could not run a 5k with Savannah on your back (savannah is my 10yo daughter) so stand proud and run hard" My goal now is to finish the race without walking, the heck with the time, that will come later (65 pounds later). I looked at your log and you are doign better then me. Keep it up. Steve - Pack you bags and come on down to the South for the race in July. Im glad the swim is shorter because the bike is a good distance and 7 mile run, ok that is a long long long way.
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2011-04-08 4:43 PM in reply to: #3435424 |
Veteran 487![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() McFarland, WI | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDBbMoozer - 2011-04-07 9:19 PM Oh yeah, you WI peeps know what I'm talkin' about... LAKE FLIES! They are due to have their first hatching soon... Makes riding or running for that matter really bad within a mile of the lake (I live within 1/2 mile of the lake). That is exactly why I wear sun glasses and keep my mouth shut when I ride around the lakes! Awful!
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2011-04-08 5:12 PM in reply to: #3435320 |
Veteran 487![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() McFarland, WI | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDgdsemiller - 2011-04-07 8:03 PM Lori, keep plugging away on the 1/2 mary training. Lori I see in your training log you do shin splint exercises, can you share with me what are you doing fo that? I always have a shin splint issue and would love to see if that would help. These are the exercises I do for keeping shin splints at bay: Foot lifts: Sit tall in a chair with knees bent 90 degrees, feet flat on the ground. Keeping your right heel on the ground, gently raise your right forefoot up and back toward your shin until you reach a point of slight discomfort. Return it to the ground. Repeat 10 times with each foot. Ankle Circles: Sit tall in a chair and pick your right foot off the floor and straighten your leg enough to allow free movement of your foot/ankle. Move your foot and ankle in a circle as large as possible and comfortable without pain. Repeat 10 - 20 times each leg. Big toe lifts: Sit tall in a chair with knees bent 90 degrees, feet flat on the ground. Keeping your right foot on the ground, gently raise your right big toe up and back toward your shin. Return it to the ground. Repeat 10 times with each foot. Alphabets: In a sitting position, trace the alphabet on the floor with your big toe. Do this with each leg. Shin Stretch: Kneel on a carpeted floor, legs and feet together and toes pointed directly back. Then slowly sit back onto your calves and heels, pushing your ankles into the floor until you feel tension in the muscles of your shin. Hold for 10 to 12 seconds, relax and repeat. Calf Stretch: With your hands against the wall, place your leg to be stretched behind you. Keep your heel down, knee straight and feet pointing forwards. Gently lunge forwards until you feel a stretch in the back of your calf / knee. Hold for 15 seconds and repeat 4 times at a mild to moderate stretch pain-free. Repeat with your other leg. I do these exercises 3-4 times through. I also use "The Stick" to massage the tibialis anterior muscle (the muscle on the front of your lower leg. If you don't have the stick, a rolling pin works just as well. |
2011-04-08 5:26 PM in reply to: #3436088 |
Veteran 487![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() McFarland, WI | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDckallpoints - 2011-04-08 10:27 AM So I made up my short run yesterday and did a little speed work... How on earth are you people running sub 9 for any distance. I did 1/4 mi at 8:34 and had to walk to catch my breath and started doing 1/8 mi at 7:30 and walk. I repeated until I got in 2 miles then just an easy run to finish my time. Much respect to you speed demons out there. Craig, Time and patience! My discovery of the year? You have to run faster to run faster! Uncomfortable pace becomes more comfortable the more often you do it. Last year I did most of my runs at about the same pace, just a bit faster for a 3-mile run versus a 6 mile or longer run. This year is completely different; no more long, slow distance slogs. Yes, it hurts a little more. Yes, I feel uncomfortable some times. Yes, I am running faster/more efficiently than I was earlier this year. Whether this pays off in a race is TBD. Your approach is good, going a specific distance at a specific pace. Walking recoveries = good. Stick with the speedwork, it will pay off in the long run! |
2011-04-09 6:37 AM in reply to: #3256772 |
Extreme Veteran 371![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Mobile | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDLori, thanks for the post on the shin splints. I will start doing those. |
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2011-04-09 8:19 AM in reply to: #3436691 |
Champion 10618![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDGEORGE - It's tempting, baby, it's tempting! |
2011-04-09 8:27 AM in reply to: #3436856 |
Champion 10618![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDLORI - I have swallowed and snorted and teared/blinked away my fair share of bugs on rides over the years, but two other situations deserve mention: (1) At IMLP '04, at about the 63 mile mark a yellow-jacket got inside my top and gave me a few stings before I could thwack it into submission. Fortunately, I suffer no ill effects from stings, so aside from the actual stinging aspect of it, I was fine. (I have had other stings during rides, but that was the only race incident.) (2) Two summers ago, some seemingly large bug flew into my right ear. I heard it, felt it, and mostly freaked. I couldn't "coax it out, and even gently tried the arms of my sunglasses. Nothing. As I panickedly rode back homw, I could periodically feel it wedge in further. For the next two days I tried earwashes, but mostly just sensed that my hearing was off and that there was a "mass" of some sort in the ear. So I scheduled an emergency appointment with my docor, and aside from bits and pieces of something or tother, her big ear-sucking and ear-draining procedure found nothing. I guess all of my own efforts did the trick....but left me with "phantom bug" sensations in the ear! Maybe I ought to buy a full HAZMAT suit for bike rides? |
2011-04-09 8:28 AM in reply to: #3437355 |
Champion 10618![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDLORI again - Fine list of exercises for shin splints -- and beyond. Merci! |
2011-04-09 10:00 AM in reply to: #3256772 |
Member 179![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDI do remember the cicadas. We lived in a new development that had been farmland so we were not palgued with them but they are pretty ugly. Thanks for the shin splint exercises. I have not been hit with them yet but it is good to know what to do Off to the pool.
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2011-04-09 2:20 PM in reply to: #3436872 |
Champion 10618![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDLORI again - I also really like your phraseology with "Uncomfortable pace becomes more comfortable the more often you do it" Oh-so-true!! As for your second paragraph, what you describe is pretty much a rite of passage The only "bad" news to it and that even after many years of pushing the envelope at times......it STILL hurts a little more! Finally as to whether it pays off in a race for you --- I'll bet my left iliotibial band that it does!! |
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2011-04-09 5:04 PM in reply to: #3256772 |
Expert 1051![]() ![]() ![]() San Jose | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDLori, I love that phrase too. At the beginning of my marathon training, I was starting to see some faster runs. Then as I got into the second half of the plan and I had to go into survival mode just to get through it. As the runs got longer, my speed got slower. It's actually so nice now to back in a more balanced training program. I'm seeing my shorter runs get faster. I'm actually starting to enjoy gasping for breath! Not really....but I realize I'm not going to die if I get out of breath. Pushing myself has been one of the things I've been working on. It's so cool to see results Johanne |
2011-04-09 5:33 PM in reply to: #3437870 |
Champion 10618![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDJOHANNE - Nice testimony! Not only about how speed feels....and that it won't kill.....but also to the benefits of a balanced program. Those biggity-big-big efforts (marathons, half-irons, irons) have their own truly unique challenges and subsequent rewards, but they sure can mess with a person's senses of physical and emotional balance. I'm at the point now that when I do one of those efforts, I'm mostly hap[piest to see it all behind me. I doubt it should be that way -- and it hasn't always been that way -- but it is waht it is at the present time............and makes me wonder why exactly I sometimes pursue those distances! Time to reconsider and re-evaluate, perhaps? |
2011-04-09 5:44 PM in reply to: #3437895 |
Champion 10618![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDJOHANNE again - How are you feeling these past few days about your pre-Vineman schedule; any better? If not, it might help you to look at it in 2- or 3-week blocks, rather than the amassed weeks of the whole thing. Even a week at a time might help you see that there are less havy-duty workouts than you maybe worry about. After my post to you a few days ago, i was thinking thta I had never really been in your position. Back in my coached days, Erik would send me workouts in three-week blocks, and so I never had a sneak preview of what his true Big Picture was for me. I guess he told me during my IMLP prep that there would be 2 or 3 century rides, but that was really just a vague threat -- until the 3-week block in which each 100-miler occurred arrived in my in-box! Further proof that ignorance is bliss?? |
2011-04-09 6:15 PM in reply to: #3437903 |
Champion 10618![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED2011 Firsts -- -- first ride in just tri clothes -- first brick -- first sockless run -- first race-pace effort on a run (albeit short) -- first mosquitoes (just two, but still......) Thanks, gang, for the talk about speed on the run. I had allowed myself to get mired in a sequence of lethargic runs, and that had allowed my thinking to get mired in the Slough of Despond of wondering if I had lots my foot speed and all. But today, off the bike, it was 2.3km in 10:00, which is 4:27/km and about 7:08/mile. I'm not at the point where i can knock off a 5km at that pace....but further along than I feared. WHEW!!! So, thanks again for giving me the thoughts and prods to get out there and actually PUSH an effort! |
2011-04-09 6:17 PM in reply to: #3437928 |
Champion 10618![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDGEORGE - Waiting, waiting, waiting for word on the simulated triathlon! Does your absence suggest that a shark chased you clear to Panama City?? Anyhow, I hope it went well and that you had fun -- and that you learned a few things, too! |
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2011-04-09 7:38 PM in reply to: #3437903 |
Expert 1051![]() ![]() ![]() San Jose | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDstevebradley - 2011-04-09 3:44 PM JOHANNE again - How are you feeling these past few days about your pre-Vineman schedule; any better? If not, it might help you to look at it in 2- or 3-week blocks, rather than the amassed weeks of the whole thing. Even a week at a time might help you see that there are less havy-duty workouts than you maybe worry about. After my post to you a few days ago, i was thinking thta I had never really been in your position. Back in my coached days, Erik would send me workouts in three-week blocks, and so I never had a sneak preview of what his true Big Picture was for me. I guess he told me during my IMLP prep that there would be 2 or 3 century rides, but that was really just a vague threat -- until the 3-week block in which each 100-miler occurred arrived in my in-box! I'm feeling better. I think it was intimidating to look ahead and know I couldn't do that future weeks workout now. I'm 2 weeks post-vacation and I think I've been able to see a big difference already. I just overall feel stronger which is so nice after the marathon effort which I totally don't regret doing but have realized how much energy it took. I'd love to do another marathon someday (maybe do an IM) but I'll think through the timing a bit better. So for now, I'm pretty much just looking a week ahead. Moving stuff around if I need to and scheduling it into my day. I know some workouts are going to be tough for me to do exactly as written but I'll do them as close as I can and I'm sure it'll all work out. I think with the HIM, I'm mostly concerned with not having enough legs at the end for the run. So running I will keep doing Johanne |
2011-04-09 7:41 PM in reply to: #3256772 |
Expert 1051![]() ![]() ![]() San Jose | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDSteve, So what was the sockless run like? My niece started biking/running sockless for races last year and loved it. Do people not have problems with rubbing or blisters? |
2011-04-09 9:05 PM in reply to: #3256772 |
Extreme Veteran 371![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Mobile | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDOk all I can say is WOW, tri's are not easy. I arrived at the Bay around 10:30am. Swim was tough, like all of you said and I now agree. Swimming in a pool is not the same as open water. The water in the bay is brakish so I could not see much at all and all I could think was running into a broken piling from a damaged pier or gators. All this thinking messed up the breathing which made me require more air. On the back swim I started to feel ok and the breathing finally retured to normal. Got on the bike and it was a very windy day, but warm arnd 81 degrees. Bike ride was good but only avg 16.6mph where as my race last week I was at 18.8. Ater the ride I took a long T2 6:58min. Run was horrible. I wanted to do 2 miles but I walked and ran 1.6miles. Legs felt like they were 100pounds. Here is the times. Swim 8:02min T1 2:55min Distance not sure Bike 11.41 miles 41:54min T2 6:58min Run 1.6miles 19:46min Total time 1hr 18min Good news is I came in 1st place. Getting worried about next weekend since the swim is 440yds, bike 17miles and run 4 miles. Goal is to finish and 2nd goal is to finish under 2 hours. Took 1 Gel at the beginning and drank heed during the ride. Had fun but still have a lot of work to do. |
2011-04-10 8:26 AM in reply to: #3256772 |
Member 179![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDGood job George. You will do fine next week. Gators? Really? |
2011-04-10 8:49 AM in reply to: #3438012 |
Champion 10618![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDJOHANNE - Second things first --- I've been doing mostly sockless for years, and especially in recent years wearing Newton running shoes exclusively, it's been easy. There is just something about the way they fit me, combined with a mostly seamless inside construction, that allow me to go sockless with impunity. That said, however, I always use some degree of BodyGlide; just in case? Yesterday it was quite a bit, having last gone sockless on Dec 31 (what a rare occurrence -- doing a run on New Year's Eve without socks!!), and I didn't know how "soft" my feet might've become since then. I will continue being generous with the BG for a few weeks, just to be safe. First things second --- I guess you've figured out by now that the HIM plan will unfold pretty much the same as just about everything you have worked through so far --- that what seems impossible today will be highly attainable in a few weeks or months. I mean, that 26.2er you did a few weeks ago......whas that on your radar a few years ago? Was a relatively mere 2.6-miler on your radar a few years ago, even?? As for having the running legs at Vineman, a lot of that will come down to the bike -- both efficiency and strategy. In essence, you have the leg strength for the run right now, and you can even afford to divide that in two, of course, going from 26.2 to 13.1. The big game between now and July 17 will be to build your ability to run effectively off the bike, and also to make the bike work as effortless as possible, and also to approach just about every mile of the bike with the run-to-follow firmly in mind. My most recent half-iron, last August, found me pushing the bike way too hard, a realization I only admitted to in the final five or six miles of the ride --- and I paid the price on the run. I didn't die on it, but it was harder than it should've been due to my bullheadedness on the bike. That was about my 16th half-iron, so I should've known better. DOH! I have seen way too many people at half-irons walking the run from pretty early on, and I'm sure most of them got to that point by pushing far too hard on the bike. And that gets exacerbated if a person is a hard kicker on the swim, because that uses the legs all the more. At least for me, as a virtual non-kicker while swimming, I save a lot of leg strength when when it is more critical -- bike and run! So, for any of those longer rides on your schedule --- unless it calls for a specific hard effort, leave your ego at home and just go through them staying well within your comfort zone. Those are great times to play with your gearing A LOT, getting a sense of where your effort is balance with speed is balanced with comfort. "Flexible" gearing can be one of your biggest assets in a half-iron, as opposed to getting in, say, big ring and your 13- or 14-teeth cog and hammering your brains out --- as so many HIMers are inclined to do. What's up for you today, in terms of bigger efforts? |
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2011-04-10 9:18 AM in reply to: #3256772 |
Expert 1051![]() ![]() ![]() San Jose | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDSteve, Thanks for the great reply. I've read a lot about not leaving all your legs on the bike so that's something I'll be working on. Today's workout is on the bike. I'm supposed to be doing a 3 1/2 ride but next week, Dave and I are doing a 100K bike ride that has more climbing then my last one. Almost 2500 feet which is a lot for us. So today we're going to do most of the course, 55 miles, just so we have a feel for it. It'll be longer then my scheduled 3 1/2 hours but that's ok. I've ridden most of the course on training rides and it won't be too bad. How about you? Johanne |
2011-04-10 9:28 AM in reply to: #3438100 |
Champion 10618![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDGEORGE - Woo-hoo! Well-executed plan indeed, absolutely fabulous! I can tell you learned a few things just from what you posted, with the two biggies being how easy it is to lose control of your breathing on the swim, and how differnet it is to run well/happily off the bike. A big part of both of those is pacing, but other aspects enter into it as well. The Swim -Brackish or turbid water can create lots of problems for people who are used to clear sighting, such as in a pool. That is why some people will periodically close their eyes while pool-swimming, just to get used to that degree of sight-deprivation. I have never felt it is the same thing at all, but you might want to try it and see(as it were....) if it helps. -In most race swims, however, visibility gets loist at times due to the turbulence created by swimmers aropund you. This is why I mentioned "following bubbles" as a useful thing to do when in the pool. If you missed this, it's simple -- just wait at the wall until a swimmer slightly faster than you are comes along, and as soon as he heads off on his next length, jump in behind him. You'll be right in his bubble-wake, and while that will seem confusing at first, before long it will just seem mostly normal. You will also get a sense of the benefits you gain from "drafting" this way during a swim -- which is perfectly legal. It really is a great strategy to use in a race -- but not quite yet for you! -Messed-up breathing can happen easily during a race-day swim, and avoiding it by starting off in your own place and at your own pace is highly recommended. That's another way of saying to start a bit further back and letting the more aggressive or ambitious swimmers jump out ahead. For me, anyhow, it is critical to get my own rhythm established within the first 30 seconds or so.....and then I can better handle situations (passing, bumping, etc) that require a change in my effort and my breathing. The Bike -Go easy on yourself about the speed decline from last week, and blame it all on the wind -- and hope that MulletMan is relatively wind-free. But also remember that just about EVERYone hates the wind, so your suffering will be widely-shared (misery loves company!!!). Down the road a ways, this'll be a good argument for working on your riding position, which will involve both evolutions in your own positioning, plus tweakings in your bike's geometry to accommodate you better. This is all about becoming more aero!!!!! -This comment ties in nicely with the run, and how to help make it better. You have 17 miles at MulletMan, so aside from pacing yourself well so that you never feel you are going beyond reasonable limits, here is just about my best advice for you (and anyone) --- ON THE LAST MILE OR HALF-MILE, VERY YOUR RIDING POSITION AND GEARING A FEW TIMES. What do I mean by that? It's simple. Shiift into a tougher gearing, say big ring and one of your smaller cogs, and get out of the saddle and grind for about 10-15 seconds. The return to the gearing your were in and stay there for about 30 seconds. Then go to an easier gearing, small ring and maybe your third largest cog, and spin in that for about 10-15 seconds. The repeat that sequence, maybe even twice more. What this will help do is get your running muscles activated, somthing they haven't really been doing since the race began. The faster spins will help with your foot speed on the run, while the out-of-saddle part in the harder gearing will stretch out your hamstrings some and also wake-up your quads and calves; done right, these efforts almost feel delicious! -As with everything, though --- try it first on a training ride this week. You don't have to do the run after, but just start messing around with the divergent gearings and see how they feel. And remember on the harder efforts (big ring, small cog) to get out of the saddle and enforce the stretching-out of your legs! The Run -Start small, start easy. Short strides will work best, just to better allow you to get your running legs back. Don't get sucked into the pattern or pace of anyone else, and allow yourself a couple minutes to feel that your legs are game for the miles to follow! -At any point during the run, allow yourself to slow down and shorten up the stride again. This might almost feel like you are in a shuffle, and that may be accurate, and it is certainly a valid and viable strategy. A way to come out of these periods might be to try to run "pretty" -- not necessarily fast, but just what you think is "pretty running". Chances are this will involve aspects of carriage, such as body erectness, and shoulder position, and the height of the arms. If you can get one of these more "correct", the other soften follow that lead. Nutrition Sounds good! Maybe try having a second gel before the run. Have it already torn open and sitting there at T2, and also have a water bottle next to it and just allow yourself the 8 seconds to slurp it doewn and chase it with the water. Or if you have already determined that there will be a water station right at the start of the run, just slurp the gel as you leave your transition sapce, and then chase it with the water at the run-exit aid station. (Best results might come from the first option, where everything is under your control.) Lemme know how this all sounds to you. And congratulations again for having the wherewithal to go through that pretty darm large effort all on your own. I'm sure you'll more fully appreciate it when you see the inroads it has made on your assault on MulletMan! |
2011-04-10 9:34 AM in reply to: #3438415 |
Champion 10618![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDJOHANNE - Sound like a good plan! For me, pretty much like yesterday's brick, I think. Maybe a bit longer on the bike (hip/groin allowing), and definitely longer (but slower) on the run. And I'm gonna try REAL hard to remember to lock my car doors so that I don't have to shorten the run out of fears of having my bike stolen from an unlocked car! So, no real firm goals -- the story of my training life these past few years. Maybe a 75-minute ride? Maybe a 20-minute almost-race-pace run, or 30 minutes at slower-than-race-pace, or 40 minutes if I'm just out there and enjoying myself too much to stop and head back home! |
2011-04-10 9:39 AM in reply to: #3438425 |
Champion 10618![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDHere's a new DON'T ---- DON'T get flustered if you come out of the water and look at your watch and see that your time has been much longer than what you were planning on. Swim distances are notoriously mis-measured, with the erring almost always coming on the side of being too long. I have had some real doozies in this regard! |
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