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2012-05-03 2:57 PM
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meggfishy - 2012-05-03 3:53 PM . . . an obviously thin, fit, beautiful woman (based on her avatar). . . .

Those can be tricky.

 

 



2012-05-03 3:05 PM
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meggfishy - 2012-05-03 3:53 PM . . . an obviously thin, fit, beautiful woman (based on her avatar). . . .

Those can be tricky.

 

Based on her album (my apologies if this embarrasses her), SHE DOES NOT NEED TO LOOSE WEIGHT.  The response was NOT thought out / researched.

2012-05-03 3:06 PM
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No, I don't think you need a run coach to evaluate your form.

Generally speaking, I am hesitant to recommend a running coach with the intention of possibly identifying some potential issues that may or may not be a root cause of some semi-identified injury(ies).

What type of surfaces do you run on? What is your athletic background? What is your injury background? I assume from the fact that you mentioned you sit a lot, you have a standard office-type of job. What types of shoes do you wear to work?

I developed a high hamstring pull that prevented me from running for over a month, simply because I ran too many miles on the same side of a heavily cambered trail. I've met people who did all of their running on a track, same direction every time, and developed hamstring and back pain.

In other words, the issue may not necessarily be related simply to mechanics.
2012-05-03 3:06 PM
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Goosedog - 2012-05-03 2:43 PM
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. . . instead of posting it on a public board read by many people -- including true beginners.

I don't understand this.  True beginners, me included, can benefit from the reality that, for a very large percentage of true beginners, losing weight will reduce injury potential and increase speed.  I can say that I never really drew the strong correlation between weight and injury/speed until reading about it here.  Now, it seems ridiculously obvious but, as a true beginner, I just never put two and two together. 

We read testimonials here all the time, from true beginners, that their weight-loss has not only significantly improved their athletic performance, but also their lives.  I don't see a suggestion to lose weight any more hurtful than the tried and true suggestion to run more - mostly easy, sometimes hard.  It's just generalized advice.  It might not be the perfect advice for every single poster soliciting advice on an open forum, but it probably applies most of the time.  IMO, of course.

 

Bringing up weight is one thing, and like you said, it's not necessarily bad. Could even be helpful. But blindly portraying that as the issue without knowing anything about the OP, and then saying one has to be like the top professionals in the field is quite another.

2012-05-03 3:08 PM
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I did not realize that examining avatars and photo albums were necessary when providing general advice.

The advice I provided above may or may not be valid, because I did not even look at the OP's avatar or photo album. Or logs, for that matter.

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blbriley - 2012-05-03 4:05 PM The response was NOT thought out / researched.

I'm sure you're correct as to the OP, but researched?  And how does that differ than a lot of advice that is offered here?  People ask about improving on the bike or climbing hills.  Well, one part of that equation is decreasing kg.  I'm certainly not going to scour someone's photo album before making that suggestion.

 



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2012-05-03 3:52 PM
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brigby1 - 2012-05-03 4:06 PM
Goosedog - 2012-05-03 2:43 PM
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. . . instead of posting it on a public board read by many people -- including true beginners.

I don't understand this.  True beginners, me included, can benefit from the reality that, for a very large percentage of true beginners, losing weight will reduce injury potential and increase speed.  I can say that I never really drew the strong correlation between weight and injury/speed until reading about it here.  Now, it seems ridiculously obvious but, as a true beginner, I just never put two and two together. 

We read testimonials here all the time, from true beginners, that their weight-loss has not only significantly improved their athletic performance, but also their lives.  I don't see a suggestion to lose weight any more hurtful than the tried and true suggestion to run more - mostly easy, sometimes hard.  It's just generalized advice.  It might not be the perfect advice for every single poster soliciting advice on an open forum, but it probably applies most of the time.  IMO, of course.

 

Bringing up weight is one thing, and like you said, it's not necessarily bad. Could even be helpful. But blindly portraying that as the issue without knowing anything about the OP, and then saying one has to be like the top professionals in the field is quite another.



Exactly. I think you can be injury free without looking like a professional triathlete/ runner. It's not an attainable goal for many of us. 
2012-05-03 3:55 PM
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Wait, we all need to weigh as much as the Ethiopians?   Uh oh.....
2012-05-03 4:01 PM
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brigby1 - 2012-05-03 4:06 PM

Bringing up weight is one thing, and like you said, it's not necessarily bad. Could even be helpful. But blindly portraying that as the issue without knowing anything about the OP, and then saying one has to be like the top professionals in the field is quite another.



Exactly. I think you can be injury free without looking like a professional triathlete/ runner. It's not an attainable goal for many of us. 

I think Tom just like pictures.  Frankly, any chance to post a picture of Goucher is good enough for me.  As a Tar Heel, I'm a little offended he didn't include a picture of Flanagan.  Anyway, I understood Tom's pictures a little differently.  Not that we all need to look like a professional triathlete/runner to be injury free-ish, but that many of us probably could stand to lose a few more pounds than we think if we wanted to optimize our performance.  The same ol' optimal race weight discussion that tends to freak some people out.

 

 



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2012-05-03 6:42 PM
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Don't want to rejoin the Tom/weight fray as I've already had my $0.02, but wanted to clarify that by "mechanics" I didn't necessarily mean running form. Could include shoes, running surface, structural issue like alignment of pelvis, hips, and spine, scar tissue from old injuries, poor flexibility, muscle strength or leg length imbalances, anything that could affect the mechanics of your run. Maybe "biomechanics" would have been a better choice. Often if you suddenly increase something in running, like mileage, intensity, or long run distance, minor issues with one or more of the above can become magnified. Something that might not have caused problems at a lower volume or intensity can start causing problems. If it has happened twice in a few years then it's possible there is an underlying issue. Best would be to back down and see if you can address it before building up gradually again. IMO it wouldn't hurt to get someone to look at running form, but the cause is more likely to be structural and/or the interaction of shoes/surface with your mechanics and training program.

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swishyskirt - 2012-05-02 6:17 PM That said -- my sports doc thinks perhaps I am an overstrider and that might have caused the hamstring issues. My PT thinks I should go get a run coach who can analyze (and potentially fix) my gait problem.
Have these two individuals ever seen you run? Shane

You know, actually they haven't. Well, technically I've run with my sports doc before, but I don't think he was watching my stride or anything. I guess I just assumed that since it wasn't a traumatic blunt force injury or anything that might have happened suddenly, it must be an "overuse" type injury. When he said he thought I might be overstriding, I thought that sounded reasonable... I figured that's how one gets hamstring injuries, right? By overstriding? Or at the very least, some sort of mechanical problem in my running. Is that not correct? Could it possibly be a "too much, too soon" situation and once it's healed, I'm good to go?

My opinion, for what little it is worth, is that they are mearly suggestion you get with someone to do an analysis, no that you actually change.  And they are suggesting you go to an expert, which I think is smart advise instead of trying to evaulate it themselves, which they might not have the expertiece in.  I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing.  But, BT can do that for you for free.   Get a friend to video tape you running both easy and fast and upload it.  If we can evaluate a swim video, and a bike fit video, then surely we all can take a gander at a run video.  You'll get 6 different analysis back mind you but the visual representation might be all you need to see if you potentially have an issue or not.

But, you mentioned that you ramped up and ramped up too soon, so odds are good this is the point of your issue and if you did it this time I bet you did it before as well.  Cause we are creatures of habit.  

I lucked out and found a PT that was a marathoner.

She watched me on the treadmill and nearly instantly diagnosed why I was having IT Band Problems. A good run analysis might not change your gait, but might pinpoint things you can do to fix your stride.

I was dropping my right knee inside when I ran, and ST to strengthen the muscles along the outside of my leg, along with regular rolling and stretching, put me back in the game.

Don't decline to go out of fear of having your stride changed. Carefully interview a few coaches and find one that you feel you can work with. 

2012-05-03 7:37 PM
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Fred D - 2012-05-03 5:00 PM
brigby1 - 2012-05-03 4:06 PMBringing up weight is one thing, and like you said, it's not necessarily bad. Could even be helpful. But blindly portraying that as the issue without knowing anything about the OP, and then saying one has to be like the top professionals in the field is quite another.

Yes. There is a problem that often occurs on internet forums (very often here) where people barely read the OP and answer as they see fit. The answer given by Tom was off base for many reasons:1. OP is not over-weight at all. Very fit.2. Weight is not the issue for the type of injuries the OP described, although weight can be an issue for many other running issues.3. Posting pictures of the best of the best elite athletes is NOT what is necessarily to be strived for on a site called beginner triathlete. While it has the 'impact' that the given poster often seeks, it has a destructive message to many I suspect who are fighting weight issues themselves.I would submit that a direct apology would be in order.Weight is often a VERY emotional topic for people and

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jmug23 - 2012-05-03 8:37 PM
Fred D - 2012-05-03 5:00 PM
brigby1 - 2012-05-03 4:06 PMBringing up weight is one thing, and like you said, it's not necessarily bad. Could even be helpful. But blindly portraying that as the issue without knowing anything about the OP, and then saying one has to be like the top professionals in the field is quite another.
Yes. There is a problem that often occurs on internet forums (very often here) where people barely read the OP and answer as they see fit. The answer given by Tom was off base for many reasons:1. OP is not over-weight at all. Very fit.2. Weight is not the issue for the type of injuries the OP described, although weight can be an issue for many other running issues.3. Posting pictures of the best of the best elite athletes is NOT what is necessarily to be strived for on a site called beginner triathlete. While it has the 'impact' that the given poster often seeks, it has a destructive message to many I suspect who are fighting weight issues themselves.I would submit that a direct apology would be in order.Weight is often a VERY emotional topic for people and


I would also like Tom to apologize.


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2012-05-04 3:23 PM
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Whoa. Tune out for a day and look what happens. Yeesh.

FWIW, I'm not a huge emotional wreck from having someone who didn't bother to look at my logs or my pics tell me I could stand to lose a few pounds. Weight is certainly a sensitive topic and I'm pretty sure that if I were in fact overweight and needed someone to tell me I should lose a few pounds to avoid injury, being shown photos of elite athletes wouldn't be the gentlest way to do it.

That said, I don't think my weight contributed to my injury. I'm not sure how much extra weight I'd have to have on my person to cause a running injury (anyone?), and I've never really thought about it. I also disagree with you that thinner = better. Here's an interesting article about "ideal" race weight:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/fashion/04best.html?pagewanted=all

I am grateful to those who stuck up for me. Thanks. You guys are kind and thoughtful and make the BT community a friendlier, awesomer place -- for the beginners and the veterans alike -- and the tall, medium, venti, plump, skinny and everyone in between.

Anyway. No hard feelings. Now back to your regularly scheduled hamstring injury analysis.

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swishyskirt - 2012-05-04 3:23 PM

Whoa. Tune out for a day and look what happens. Yeesh.

FWIW, I'm not a huge emotional wreck from having someone who didn't bother to look at my logs or my pics tell me I could stand to lose a few pounds. Weight is certainly a sensitive topic and I'm pretty sure that if I were in fact overweight and needed someone to tell me I should lose a few pounds to avoid injury, being shown photos of elite athletes wouldn't be the gentlest way to do it.

That said, I don't think my weight contributed to my injury. I'm not sure how much extra weight I'd have to have on my person to cause a running injury (anyone?), and I've never really thought about it. I also disagree with you that thinner = better. Here's an interesting article about "ideal" race weight:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/04/fashion/04best.html?pagewanted=all

I am grateful to those who stuck up for me. Thanks. You guys are kind and thoughtful and make the BT community a friendlier, awesomer place -- for the beginners and the veterans alike -- and the tall, medium, venti, plump, skinny and everyone in between.

Anyway. No hard feelings. Now back to your regularly scheduled hamstring injury analysis.

Great response.

So, yeah I would suggest going to get a gait analysis so at least you can see if that is a problem or "the" problem or whatever.

Once you rule that out, or as a contributor I think I would go from there. 

Have you changed anything significantly in your training? You said you have been running for years and hadn't had a problem. I noticed in your logs you have BQ as a goal. Have you been pushing harder this time around? 

It sounds like it would be good to rest up and take it easy and then slowly work your way back into it and keep a diligent log and maybe you will be able to spot what aggravates it. 



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I was having hamstring issues last year, very frustrating.  Mine were presumably caused by the fact that I have a ruptured ACL and weak glutes.  So after strengthening the glutes and PT, started running again--and realized on my own that my gait was weird...straight legged and overstriding.  So I changed it on my own, shorter strides/higher cadence.  My hamstring will still get a bit sore on occasion, but nothing like the issues I was having.  Hope you get yours figured out!
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I don't have anything useful to add, but Tom needs a picture of a kitten....



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I'm recovering from an injury (hamstring and/or SI joint issue and/or piriformis problem, it's a little unclear what, but the bum/hamstring hurt, piriformis stretching helped, as did resting...). I'm almost at the point where I could run again -- maybe next week -- and I'm super excited to get back to doing what I love best.

That said -- my sports doc thinks perhaps I am an overstrider and that might have caused the hamstring issues. My PT thinks I should go get a run coach who can analyze (and potentially fix) my gait problem.

I'm terrified of changing anything about my running. I've been running like this for years,  and think if it ain't broke don't fix it. And while I get sometimes injuries from poor running are cumulative and more of a "straw that broke the camel's hamstring" kinda deal, i.e. it was already broke you just didn't know it so go fix it, I'm worried that changing my gait will 1. mess up other things and cause different injuries and 2. make me slower before it makes me faster again.

How do I know that overstriding was really a problem? Should I change the way I run? Anyone have a run coach work on their run form? Pros? Cons? Opinions? Pictures of baby animals? Thanks!

Actually just read your post again. Have you tried an experienced deep tissue massage therapist as the soft tissue issues you have are probably connected with the whole kinetic chain and in the past the deep tissue folks have helped me the most.

Hi Fred, I have had chronic piriformis/sciatica issue over the past few years. At 5'8, 135 I don't think it's been weight-related. In fact it gets worse if I go under 135. It does get worse when I'm running over 50mpw. ART and deep tissue massage have worked very well for me.

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