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Orlando, Florida
United States
Walt Disney World
67F / 19C
Overcast
Total Time = 5h 39m 59s
Overall Rank = 8389/12951
Age Group = 35-39
Age Group Rank = 995/1368
Pre-race routine:

I'm going to start a little further back than normal.

My pre-race routine started in the months before the race. My long runs looked like this:
- 8 miles at 1:37 (11:02 pace) at 164 HR (first long run after Chi Marathon)
- 12 miles at 2:15 (10:56 pace) at 170 HR
- 15 miles at 2:47 (10:56 pace) at 157 HR (drinking night before)
- 13 miles at 1:59 (9:02 pace) at 184 HR (this was a 1/2 mary race)
- 20 miles at 3:22 (10:22 pace) at 155 HR
- 10 miles at 1:52 (11:27 pace) at 176 HR (drinking night before)
- 18 miles at 3:08 (10:38 pace) at 155 HR
- 16 miles at 2:52 (10:41 pace) at 152 HR
- 12 miles at 1:57 (9:47 pace) at 165 HR
- 9.5 miles at 1:30 (9:32 pace) at 158 HR

Going into the week of the marathon, I felt very well prepared to run a 4:10 to 4:30 marathon. My Zone 2 is 157 to 168 so practically all long runs were done in this zone. My marathon plan was to do the 1st 13 miles in low zone 2 (which should be a 9:40 to 10:00 pace for me) and the 2nd 13 in high zone 2. If I felt good at mile 20, I was going to go drop the hammer for the last 6 miles.

On Wednesday, I did a very short run with Ninja. That evening, I had a recovery ride scheduled. I had a very scratchy throat but decided to put the time in anyway. On Thursday morning, I woke up and did my masters swim. Very tough workout which in retrospect I should have skipped.

After the workout, I felt like crap. Nose was stuffy, I was coughing and had a headache. I decided I wanted to circumvent having a cold, so I started a routine of Claritine, Airborne, Zicam, Sudophed and Tylenol 4x per day. At night took Nyquil and Benedrile. We drove down to Jacksonville to visit my parents on Thursday afternoon. I slept a good bit of the car ride there and tried to go to bed early.

On Friday we drove to Disney. After checkin we went to the Magic Kingdom for a few hours so the kids could have some fun. They were very appreciative of this trip. I tried as best I could to stay hydrated,buying $2 bottles of water but still taking the aforementioned protocol of nose clearing drugs.

On Saturday we woke up early to watch the 1/2 marathoners and our neighbors. We then went to the Expo to pickup race numbers. After a few hours at the pool, we went to the house our neighbors were staying at in Celebration for a pasta dinner. Again, I tried to hydrate all day long. At times, I felt like a had dry-mouth but didn't think anything of it. At 4 pm I stopped taking everything since I was feeling pretty good.

On Saturday night we went to bed around 9:30pm. I woke up at all hours of the night, probably only getting 3 hours of sleep total. I awoke at 2am and did not get back to sleep until 3:45am when the alarm went off.

I had laid out everything the night before, so I got up and got ready. Had some yogurt and a banana. Monorail to bag check to start and I was all set.
Event warmup:

Just hanging out for 50 minutes in my start coral. I took note that the weather was supposed to be 55 deg at the start but this was warmer. Later I would learn that the start was 67 deg. Not outrages, but humid and a little on the warm side.
Run
  • 5h 39m 59s
  • 26.2 miles
  • 12m 59s  min/mile
Comments:

In my start corral, I start between the 4:15 and 4:30 pace groups. My plan was to run the first couple of miles at a 9:40 to 10:00 pace and see what my HR was telling me. The race started, fireworks went off, we walked for a little bit and then started running.

Almost immediately, my HR started to climb. I didn't feel like I was working that hard and I finished the first mile at 9:58. Perfect. My HR was a little high but I figured that was prerace jitters and it would settle down.

During the next few miles, my HR didn't come down at all. I still didn't feel like I was working that hard. Going into the race, I had a notion that my HR zones might be off. They are setup based on a 10k I ran in May. However, I don't feel like they are materially off so I went with it. At this point, I was having trouble keeping my HR in zone 2.

At mile 6 things still looked great. I was averaging 10 min miles. I was sweating a lot and started to think that this race would end up like Chicago.

I pulled over to pee at mile 8. At this point, I was starting to get concerned. My HR has skyrocketed to zone 5. Mentally I was still in the game but physically my body was all over the place. I was sweating up a storm. I felt like I was well hydrating despite the heat. People around me didn't seem to be as effected by it. Still, I plugged along.

I saw Ninja and the college funds at mile 12. They lifted my spirits. Jamie noted that I was more wet than everyone else. I commented how hot it was and she replied that it was no hotter than Chicago. This didn't help. I continued on though Animal Kingdom.

Starting around mile 15 my body had had enough of zone 5 for the day and told me I was done. REDUCED TO WALKING. Ouch. My spirits started to sink. Everyone around me seemed to be doing great.

Knowing I would be walking for maybe 10 miles, I really had my doubts of finishing on miles 16 to 19. I was hurting. Even the walkers were passing me. It sucked. All I could do was put on foot in front of the other.

At mile 17, Granola Girl came up behind me. She had done the 1/2 the day before and was now attempting the Goofy. She looked great. We had done our long runs together. "Why was I in such bad shape?" I asked myself. She walked with me for a little bit and then we tried to run together. Within minutes, I was back into zone 5. I stopped running; she kept on. My mind was giving me all sorts of lip: "at the next medical tent, I'm dropping out", "I don't care about the medal. I'm not walking 9 miles.", "This sucks.", "I guess I can't handle the distance", "My training must not be good enough". etc., etc., etc.

At the next medial tent I did not see a sag wagon. I decided I was just going to continue walking until I found a drop bus. With the Disney course, you are out in the middle of nowhere for miles on end. I knew if I stopped, I would be sitting for hours which would be worse than my current condition.

At around mile 20, a spectator told me I was in the home stretch and I could finish. At this point, I told myself that I was going to finish just for the sake of pride. My mind thought of Rutger Beke and Desiree Ficker, who finished 4th and 2nd in Kino 06; Rutger walked the marathon this year and Desiree finished 600th.

In MGM, I tried to chear up and smile at folks. This helped and I tried to run a few steps. No go. So I just kept walking.

Back in Epcot, for the last 2 miles, I probably ran 3/4 of a mile of it. My goal became just to beat my Chicago time (5:43). I ignored the emotional and physical pain and just kept running.

I crossed the finish line at 5:40 on my watch and through my hands up. I truly was glad to be finished with this race.

Just like in Chicago, once I crossed the finish line, the emotion of finally being done came over me and I pulled over to the side to cry. I got my medal, went to bag check and eventually found Ninja.

College Fun #1 was extremely upset that she didn't get to see me finish. Later I found out they got to the finish like at 4:30 race time. They say Granola Girl finish at 5:11 and though I finished early so they left to go look for me. She got 1 update on her phone and though I was going great. Granola Girl told them when she saw me at 17, I didn't look so good and she started to get worried.

I know the drill from here; the next 4 weeks will be about recovery. It's time to focus on Gulf Coast and put this experience behind me. I have no doubt that I can run a sub-4 hour marathon and that I will do great at IMFL. I will try to find a marathon in 2009 and test myself against the distance again.

Race data is as follows:
Miles Pace AHR MHR
1 9:58 167 176
2 9:52 170 178
3 10:04 168 174
4 9:49 173 179
5 10:07 175 178
6 10:13 172 182
7 10:01 176 182
8 10:41 176 183
9 10:12 175 179
10 9:54 187 193
11 10:23 184 190
12 10:10 186 190
13 11:03 184 192
14 11:18 182 186
15 13:45 170 183
16 14:50 155 179
17 14:28 162 179
18 13:57 158 192
19 17:08 146 183
20 13:50 161 181
21 16:58 147 172
22 19:36 139 173
23 19:59 131 143
24 18:26 136 167
25 12:40 164 191
26 13:41 163 192

What would you do differently?:

After talking it through with Ninja and my coach, I think I can draw the following conclusions:

- My training was right on. I was as prepared as I could be and fully tapered.
- It was a little hot and humid but I don't think this was a major contributor. I saw a few shirts of runners that said they trained through sleet and snow to come do the Goofy. They looked great.
- I don't think the sleepless night before was a major contributor.
- Getting a cold and then subsequently taking all that medicine was my undoing. I was doped up like the lead singer of an 80s hair band. Psudephede makes your HR skyrocket and it dehydrates you. Nyquil has antihistamines that also raise your HR and also dehydrates you. Airborne contains Echinacia which also... you get the idea. Although I tried to hydrate, these products probably had me so much in the hole that my muscles thought it was the Saraha.
Post race
Event comments:

Disney puts on a great race and it's one of the marathons you should do to check off the list.




Last updated: 2007-12-24 12:00 AM
Running
05:39:59 | 26.2 miles | 12m 59s  min/mile
Age Group: 0/1368
Overall: 0/12951
Performance:
Miles Pace AHR MHR 1 9:58 167 176 2 9:52 170 178 3 10:04 168 174 4 9:49 173 179 5 10:07 175 178 6 10:13 172 182 7 10:01 176 182 8 10:41 176 183 9 10:12 175 179 10 9:54 187 193 11 10:23 184 190 12 10:10 186 190 13 11:03 184 192 14 11:18 182 186 15 13:45 170 183 16 14:50 155 179 17 14:28 162 179 18 13:57 158 192 19 17:08 146 183 20 13:50 161 181 21 16:58 147 172 22 19:36 139 173 23 19:59 131 143 24 18:26 136 167 25 12:40 164 191 26 13:41 163 192
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2008-01-14 1:08 PM

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2008-01-14 1:15 PM
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2008-01-14 1:53 PM
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Subject: RE: Walt Disney World Marathon
Thanks for sharing the race.  I am sure that it was a bit demoralizing for you but real training begins now for IMFL.  The question is how long you let this linger in your mind.  What's done is done.  You have a killer base for the upcoming season.  That is going to go a LONG way come November.  Now dust off that bike and get your a$$ in gear. 
2008-01-14 1:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Walt Disney World Marathon

Great recap - I think you guys nailed it on what happened - I didn't know you were on so many drugs before the race! I have no doubt you have a sub-4hr marathon in you either, it's just not an easy distance to conquer.

You PR'd this weekend - even if it wasn't the PR you were looking for. Just keep learning from each race and you'll get there! I wouldn't put it past you to PR @ IMFL, honestly. You are a solid athlete and you put in the training to back it up. I expect to continue seeing great things from you!

Oh - and I'll probably be up for another marathon in 09, maybe we can pick one that we can both do.

2008-01-14 1:58 PM
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J- I had no idea you were that sick!  Just pushing yourself thru that mental barrier will make your goal marathon even more perfect.  It's such a mental thing, but when outside factors get in the way(being sick, lack of sleep, dehydrated) it just seems to push us over the edge.  I know you can run a 4:30, you train hard and are disciplined.  I'm sure 2009(or sooner) will be your year!
2008-01-14 2:00 PM
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Subject: RE: Walt Disney World Marathon

Good report, Jonathan, and great ending perspective...as soon as you ticked off the list of drugs at the beginning of the report, I knew what was your undoing...way to overcome the mental hurdle on this one and not bail!!

From now on, drugs take drugs to mitigate fear of Jonathan22...



2008-01-14 2:01 PM
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Subject: RE: Walt Disney World Marathon
Yeah I was reading that list of meds you were taking and thinking that those might have been the big factor in all this.  I know what I feel like when I take that stuff and it's not good.  But good for you for sticking it out and finishing.  That's great mental training to have in your back pocket for down the road.  May this race be the worst one of your season
2008-01-14 2:17 PM
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Subject: RE: Walt Disney World Marathon

At around mile 20, a spectator told me I was in the home stretch and I could finish. At this point, I told myself that I was going to finish just for the sake of pride. My mind thought of Rutger Beke and Desiree Ficker, who finished 4th and 2nd in Kino 06; Rutger walked the marathon this year and Desiree finished 600th.

This is why I love racing; a large part of it is mental + your perspective at that moment.  You may be having the worse race day of your life - but are, at the same time, exceeding someone else's life goal.

You trained for a day better than you got ... yet you overcame that to finish.

That is what racing is all about.

2008-01-14 2:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Walt Disney World Marathon
Way to perservere!!! It's a real bummer to get sick before a major race and have it impact you that way.
2008-01-14 2:25 PM
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- 20 miles at 3:22 (10:22 pace) at 155 HR
- 10 miles at 1:52 (11:27 pace) at 176 HR
- 18 miles at 3:08 (10:38 pace) at 155 HR
- 16 miles at 2:52 (10:41 pace) at 152 HR
- 12 miles at 1:57 (9:47 pace) at 165 HR
- 9.5 miles at 1:30 (9:32 pace) at 158 HR

If that's your long run schedule exactly laid out heading into the Marathon, I have to say that is a critical issue right there. Times look good, distances, not so much.  20 miles 6 weeks out as your longest run is highly insufficient.

While I agree with the medication and being dehydrated / sick factor playing the biggest role, I think you were more preparred for an 18 mile run, than a 26.2.  

Here is how your last 6 weeks should have looked:

- 19 miles at 3:22 (10:22 pace) at 155 HR
- 21 miles at 1:52 (11:27 pace) at 176 HR
- 18 miles at 3:08 (10:38 pace) at 155 HR
- 21 miles at 2:52 (10:41 pace) at 152 HR
- 12 miles at 1:57 (9:47 pace) at 165 HR
- 8 miles at 1:30 (9:32 pace) at 158 HR

- race... 26.2

You are going to be fine for IM. It's a completely different animal. In fact, you may PR the Marathon there. So don't worry about that at all.

All my assessments above are based off of the limited information that I can see. I could be way off, but seriously, you should look at your long run schedule. The answer is right there.

In the end, it's your second Marathon. Pretty much the equivalent of 2nd grade. You'll get there, and it will be all the sweeter when you do.

2008-01-14 2:48 PM
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Subject: RE: Walt Disney World Marathon

Good job Completing your 2nd marathon! That alone is awesome.

In all honesty, I would have to agree with RT though on the 2 things I can see went wrong. 1. your crazy dose of medication. Holy cow you must have been feeling just awfull and that really sucks. 2. More long runs and definitely a 20 miler closer to the race.

I think it shows your character that you finished though. Walking the last 10 miles would be very difficult, both mentally and physically. You will move on and have great races in your future, hopefully drug free



2008-01-14 2:56 PM
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Subject: RE: Walt Disney World Marathon
You made it.  You're body said stop.  Your mind said "you're crazy".  But you made it anyway.  That's the kind of determination that'll get you to the finish in November.
2008-01-14 3:01 PM
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Congrats on pushing through and finishing in tough conditions.  For what it is worth, this was my worst marathon since my first in 2005.  Don't let the temps fool you - it was hot.  The humidity kicked my butt too!  I am willing to bet my clothes were as filled with sweat as yours were.

Nice job on your training and I am certain you will do great at IM FL! 

2008-01-14 3:51 PM
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Dude- all that medicine can't be good. That said, you can call this experience "mental toughness" training. Your time will come to kick in the marathon, but this experience, and the fact that you finished under that kind of bodily stress is amazing. Don't sell yourself short on what you accomplished- Like I said there is only a small percent of the poulation that would even attempt a marathon.

Looking forward to seeing your season progress from here, it will be awesome!

2008-01-14 3:59 PM
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Subject: RE: Walt Disney World Marathon
I have to think all those meds, and the cold, really had your body messed up before you even hit the starting line. I am sorry you've had two not so great experiences with the marathon, but sticking with it and not dropping out either time, is huge. Be proud of the accomplishment. Let me know what your next attempt will be, maybe my schedule will work out so I can try and pace you to your sub 4 race.
2008-01-14 7:22 PM
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Subject: RE: Walt Disney World Marathon

Sounds like there were some mitgating factors both within and outside of your control that contributed to a less than perfect race by your standards.  However, as I said before... don't ever lose sight of how lucky you are to be able to race a distance that relatively few people ever attempt and to have the support of friends and family who cheer for every mile you go.  One foot in front of the other, indeed. 



2008-01-14 8:06 PM
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We already talked so you know how I feel....I'm very proud of your mental toughness, it will serve  you well later on this year.
2008-01-14 8:39 PM
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I say "Jonathan22 can walk a marathon faster than Chuck Norris could kick Mr. T's !" (ok, i am not as good as you at this, but you get the gist!) You did awesome just getting to the start line, not to mention the finish line!!!! What doesnt kill us makes us stronger Congrats on your very well earned medal and accomplishment!
2008-01-14 9:41 PM
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Subject: RE: Walt Disney World Marathon

You sure have the mental toughness I think it will serve you well training and racing IMFL.

PB even in very tough conditions...nice.

I can't wait for you to get to a Mary line healthy and ready to nail and see what you can do. 

2008-01-15 6:57 AM
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Subject: RE: Walt Disney World Marathon
some interesting pharmacology you had going on there.  Good on you for toughing it out.  I swear 90% of it is mental.
2008-01-15 7:41 AM
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Way to finish, Jonathan. It was tough, we've all been there, and now you can turn your attention to the rest of your season and take what you've learned (about the distance and yourself) to other races. It was steamy Sunday morning and the mix of medications probably didn't help either. But you finished and you're still a rock star.  


2008-01-15 11:08 AM
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It is great that you still finished.
2008-01-15 11:16 AM
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Congrats on finishing. Good job listening to your body. I hope you had fun, too!
2008-01-16 7:27 AM
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Subject: RE: Walt Disney World Marathon

Jonathan,

That course got the best of me last year around the same distance.  You did what you had to...continued on and did what you could.   That's what racing is all about.  Getting to the finish line.  We all cross the same line, never forget that.

You earned your  medal and recover and kick some Tri butt!

2008-01-17 9:41 PM
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Man, I felt your pain out there!  Way to stick with it and push through.  Congratulations on a great finish! 
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