Looking for Tire recommendations
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2008-01-21 9:14 PM |
Regular 51 Chico | Subject: Looking for Tire recommendations I'm beginning my second season on a '07 Trek Madone. The bike came with Bontrager Race Lite tires, which roll VERY nicely, but I've had a lot of flats, many more than the buddies that I ride with. I'm looking for tire recommendations. I'd like a high performance tire with good puncture resistance. Anybody out there with tires that strike a good balance between these two characteristics? Web research keeps bringing me to the Continental Grand Prix 4000. It's gotten pretty good reviews on the whole. But I thought I'd check out my fellow BTs before purchasing. Thanks! |
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2008-01-21 10:03 PM in reply to: #1168871 |
Tulsa, Oklahoma | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations I use to ride vittoria diamante pro and had pretty good luck with them and liked they way they rode. I am now riding mavic courchevels and I really like them. I rarely get flats...(im sure 've just jinxed myself now). They are pricey...but I feel like they are worth the money.. have not had to replace tires or flats....never in a race and maybe one flat all last year with over 4000 miles... |
2008-01-21 10:06 PM in reply to: #1168871 |
Veteran 136 | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations I think the continental gp 4000 is good, but for a training tire I like the ultra gatorskin. Just my humble opinion though. |
2008-01-21 10:40 PM in reply to: #1168871 |
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2008-01-21 11:21 PM in reply to: #1168871 |
Veteran 299 | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations I havent seen much talk on here but from clincher wheels tires search slowtwitch for Michl. pro race 2. Most people i know highly reccomend them, LBS incl! get a pair on ebay for about 65. They are sticky and last, heck you can even get them to match you bike. |
2008-01-22 7:17 AM in reply to: #1169041 |
Elite 3022 Preferably on my bike somewhere | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations MQsack - 2008-01-21 11:21 PM I havent seen much talk on here but from clincher wheels tires search slowtwitch for Michl. pro race 2. Most people i know highly reccomend them, LBS incl! get a pair on ebay for about 65. They are sticky and last, heck you can even get them to match you bike. I have the Mich Pro Race 2 and have been happy with durability and grip. Color options make it kinda fun to mix and match. My tri bike has Conti UltraRace tires and they too are sticky. Too sticky, IMO, because I often get crap from the road stuck on them. When you get a rock stuck to the tire, it can get distracting as it clicks everytime it hits the ground. They are also LOUD. Little experience riding in the rain. |
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2008-01-22 8:02 AM in reply to: #1168871 |
Champion 8903 | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations Another vote for the Michelin Pro Race tires. I have a pair on my bike now that went all year, and I'm still using them on the trainer.
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2008-01-22 8:39 AM in reply to: #1168871 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations X4 on the Michelin Pro2Race. I'm getting >5,000 miles per set with very few flats. I like this table on rolling resistance . Note that the Pro2Race is right up there on rolling resistance and is the highest rated with "Very Good" puncture resistance. |
2008-01-22 10:41 AM in reply to: #1168871 |
Member 21 | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations I train with specialized armadillo (all condition), if you prefer only one pair of tires I would say specialized mondo pro, also gp4000 are great (duration is not their best, but they are the best in wet, I think gp3000 will be ok too and cheaper to train), and also michelin prorace (good perfomance, but poor in wet) perhaps (the answer is) you shoud try tufo tubular for clincher wheels (good perfomance and good puncture resistance, but expensive) Edited by wuud 2008-01-22 10:46 AM |
2008-01-22 10:54 AM in reply to: #1169254 |
Elite 2527 Armpit of Ontario | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations the bear - 2008-01-22 9:39 AM X4 on the Michelin Pro2Race. I'm getting >5,000 miles per set with very few flats. I like this table on rolling resistance . Note that the Pro2Race is right up there on rolling resistance and is the highest rated with "Very Good" puncture resistance. x5 Mich Pro2Race Thanks for the chart Bear, I couldn't find my link. Edited by sty 2008-01-22 10:55 AM |
2008-01-22 10:57 AM in reply to: #1169586 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations sty - 2008-01-22 10:54 AM x5 Mich Pro2Race Thanks for the chart Bear, I couldn't find my link. That's 'cause I stoled it! |
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2008-01-22 11:16 AM in reply to: #1169593 |
Elite 3022 Preferably on my bike somewhere | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations the bear - 2008-01-22 10:57 AM sty - 2008-01-22 10:54 AM x5 Mich Pro2Race Thanks for the chart Bear, I couldn't find my link. That's 'cause I stoled it! (KNOCK KNOCK) It's the PO-lice! You're under arrest for the theft of the chart! |
2008-01-22 11:33 AM in reply to: #1168871 |
Member 21 | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations I forgot to say Schwalbe Ultremo (expensive, light and very good) |
2008-01-23 12:20 AM in reply to: #1169254 |
Regular 51 Chico | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations the bear - 2008-01-22 6:39 AM X4 on the Michelin Pro2Race. I'm getting >5,000 miles per set with very few flats. I like this table on rolling resistance . Note that the Pro2Race is right up there on rolling resistance and is the highest rated with "Very Good" puncture resistance. Hate to reveal my ignorance, here, but I looked at the chart and don't know how to read it. Does a higher or lower number indicate less resistance? |
2008-01-23 7:16 AM in reply to: #1171130 |
Elite 2527 Armpit of Ontario | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations heartopener - 2008-01-23 1:20 AM Hate to reveal my ignorance, here, but I looked at the chart and don't know how to read it. Does a higher or lower number indicate less resistance? No apologies needed to admit you're not a data geek! data was compiled using tires rotated @30km/h (18.6MPH) with a 44:56 weight distribution front:back with a load (bike + rider) of 85 kg (187.4 lbs) crr=coefficient of rolling resistance wattage=required at load (more watts=more energy required) here's the link to all the data the chart speaks to: http://www.rouesartisanales.com/article-1503651-6.html There are more in-depth studies/charts/tech-geek-speak stuff (just google) but I like the thumbnail charts this link provides.
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2008-01-23 8:42 AM in reply to: #1168871 |
Expert 1027 Zürich, Switzerland | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations Go definetely for Michelin Krylion Carbon. Number one in terms of puncture resistance. |
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2008-01-23 8:53 AM in reply to: #1171432 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations Plissken74 - 2008-01-23 8:42 AM Go definetely for Michelin Krylion Carbon. Number one in terms of puncture resistance. According to whom? |
2008-01-23 10:04 AM in reply to: #1171458 |
Elite 2527 Armpit of Ontario | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations the bear - 2008-01-23 9:53 AM Plissken74 - 2008-01-23 8:42 AM Go definetely for Michelin Krylion Carbon. Number one in terms of puncture resistance. According to whom? FWIW I clipped the following from Michelin's website. I would have to agree the Krylion sound more puncture resistant and more ideally suited to a dedicated everyday training tire, but the OP was asking "I'd like a high performance tire with good puncture resistance. Anybody out there with tires that strike a good balance between these two characteristics?" so my nod would still go to the Michelin Pro2Race. With complete indifference, there also appears to be an overwhelming consensus among the real fanatics over at Slowtwitch that PR2's are the single "The Michelin Krylion Carbon Tire is the product of years of refinement by Michelin in the quest for the most durable tire yet. It couldn’t just be durable, it also had to have a nice ride, specifically aimed at touring fans and recreational riders. http://two-wheels.michelin.com/ Edited by sty 2008-01-23 10:20 AM |
2008-01-23 10:23 AM in reply to: #1171656 |
Expert 1027 Zürich, Switzerland | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations It is true. You sacrifice performance but, in my case, I would focus more to get better light material on the bike, training more and having better probability to not loose time for changing a tire! This is my approach. Train more and reduce chances of external negative influencers. |
2008-01-23 10:37 AM in reply to: #1168871 |
Regular 51 Chico | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations This is a very helpful discussion. I get the chart now ~ very interesting. I was leaning towards Continental GP 4000, but recent posts having me checking out the Michelin. Unfortunately, the chart does not show the Krylion (unless the Michelin Carbon test results apply), but the Pro2's resistance is quite good. Plissken is making sense to me since I am not a front of the pack racer (at 49 years old). As much as I like to go as fast as I'm capable of, I'd rather sacrifice a bit of performance on my daily training rides for better puncture protection. (I HATE sitting by the side of the road fixing a flat!) And it sounds like the sacrifice is minimal. So you think the Michelin is a better tire than the Conti GP? Again, thanks so much for your input! |
2008-01-23 10:39 AM in reply to: #1168871 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations Seems like Sty documents that it's Michelin's most puncture resistant tire, but I was thinking more in terms of competing brands of specifically flat-resistant tires like the UltraGatorSkins by Continental or Specialized Armadillos. Any data to support that the Krylion is more puncture resistant than those, to support your "Number one in terms of puncture resistance" statement? I'm getting 5000+ miles out of the Pro2Race with very few flats, so it doesn't make sense to me to give up performance. |
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2008-01-23 10:53 AM in reply to: #1168871 |
Elite 2527 Armpit of Ontario | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations As far as comparative data between other brands of tires, I'm just too busy for any more googling right now I can't wait until March to try out the Pro3Race tires; lighter, with 40% more cornering traction and 27% more adhesion and additional puncture resistance. Of course, I will be waiting until I actually need new tires, which may be awhile because my PR2s just won't die. Although I may not be the highest mileage cyclist, I can honestly not recall the last time I flatted on my pro2races and I ride terrible roads and through lots of debris. I think I've punctured 2 tubes in 2 years. I'll trade off perhaps a little bit of the puncture resistance for a softer, smoother ride, making the Michelins, IMHO, the perfect tire to train AND race on (remember: best of BOTH worlds) and not have to worry about changing tires or keeping different ones around.
Edited by sty 2008-01-23 11:02 AM |
2008-01-23 11:14 AM in reply to: #1171731 |
Expert 1027 Zürich, Switzerland | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations heartopener - 2008-01-22 5:37 PM This is a very helpful discussion. I get the chart now ~ very interesting. I was leaning towards Continental GP 4000, but recent posts having me checking out the Michelin. Unfortunately, the chart does not show the Krylion (unless the Michelin Carbon test results apply), but the Pro2's resistance is quite good. Plissken is making sense to me since I am not a front of the pack racer (at 49 years old). As much as I like to go as fast as I'm capable of, I'd rather sacrifice a bit of performance on my daily training rides for better puncture protection. (I HATE sitting by the side of the road fixing a flat!) And it sounds like the sacrifice is minimal. So you think the Michelin is a better tire than the Conti GP? Again, thanks so much for your input! Well, if you want to spend some more and maybe they are at the same level (difficult to judge), take Vredestein Fortezza 4 Tricomp. You can shot with a gun on them and they are safe. They are ahead in terms of compounds research. I don't know if in US you can find but over there you can get almost everything. Believe me because I did a lot of reasearches on this topic around, asking experienced riders, shops, googling, etc. These 2 suggestions are the top for puncture resistances. Not the best for racing and speed but I do not care about that. |
2008-01-23 11:16 AM in reply to: #1168871 |
Expert 1027 Zürich, Switzerland | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations I am in the office now but tonight at home I have a nice document on comparison between many tyres. I will post it as soon as I get back home. |
2008-01-23 3:45 PM in reply to: #1171731 |
Expert 1233 | Subject: RE: Looking for Tire recommendations heartopener - 2008-01-23 11:37 AM This is a very helpful discussion. I get the chart now ~ very interesting. I was leaning towards Continental GP 4000, but recent posts having me checking out the Michelin. Unfortunately, the chart does not show the Krylion (unless the Michelin Carbon test results apply), but the Pro2's resistance is quite good. Plissken is making sense to me since I am not a front of the pack racer (at 49 years old). As much as I like to go as fast as I'm capable of, I'd rather sacrifice a bit of performance on my daily training rides for better puncture protection. (I HATE sitting by the side of the road fixing a flat!) And it sounds like the sacrifice is minimal. So you think the Michelin is a better tire than the Conti GP? Again, thanks so much for your input! I have a set of wheels for training with GP 3000's, and my race wheels are Pro2 Race. Both very good tires, the GP 3000 seem to feel a little 'harder' than the Pro tires, but that may just be in my mind. |
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