General Discussion Triathlon Talk » HR advice and HIM race planning Rss Feed  
Moderators: k9car363, alicefoeller Reply
2008-03-02 12:57 AM

User image

Sensei
Sin City
Subject: HR advice and HIM race planning
My training for an April HIM is going very well and I have been following my plan diligently.  But now I want to start thinking about my actual race plan.
I have read that for a full IM, one would like to stay in Z2 for most/all of the race.  Is that the same strategy for an HIM as well?  I thought that was going to be my approach until today’s long ride.

I decided to just ride, and not pay attention to the HRM and just go by feel.  I had a good ride, felt strong throughout, and got back home feeling good enough to run if it were a race.  It wouldn’t have been my best run, but I could have knocked it out pretty well.

I downloaded my garmin and was surprised to find that I spent 1/3 of my time in Z2, 1/3 in Z3, and 1/3 in Z4.  Not once did I exceed my LT of 173.
So does sound right for an HIM?  Stay below LT and split your time between Z2/Z3 and Z4?  Or should I hold back a little more?

I know everyone is different, but any thoughts would be appreciated.  Thanks....

 



2008-03-02 8:42 AM
in reply to: #1246592

User image

Expert
686
500100252525
oregon ave,
Subject: RE: HR advice and HIM race planning
I once read something to the effect of staying in zone one to mid two until about 4 miles into the run then bump up to zone three to mid four then the last 2-3 miles bust loose.  However since my first HIM is this summer too my goals is steady and slow to finish.  I am sure experience and knowing your body has a lot to do with this.  Good luck!
2008-03-02 8:47 AM
in reply to: #1246592

User image

Extreme Veteran
370
1001001002525
Arnhem
Subject: RE: HR advice and HIM race planning
I've only done one HIM. I stayed in Z2 for the bike and had a great run. For my next HIM race I plan to go a little harder on the bike (high Z2 low Z3). I may not be as fast on the run, but overall I think I will gain time that way.
2008-03-02 9:07 AM
in reply to: #1246592

User image

Champion
9407
500020002000100100100100
Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia
Subject: RE: HR advice and HIM race planning

If this is your first HIM, I would suggest staying in zone 2 or lower for the entire ride; as you gain experience at the distance you can experiment with some bouts of higher intensity on the ride but going too hard on the bike is very easy to do.

Ideally your HIM run should be within 5-10' of your open half mary which requires a very well paced and conservative ride in order to accomplish.

Shane

2008-03-02 10:11 AM
in reply to: #1246592

User image

Expert
924
500100100100100
Louisville, KY
Subject: RE: HR advice and HIM race planning

Here's a link to a Mike Ricci article which directly addresses your questions

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/cms/article-detail.asp?articleid=1158

2008-03-03 11:58 AM
in reply to: #1246863

User image

Sensei
Sin City
Subject: RE: HR advice and HIM race planning

Thanks all.  This is my second HIM and I know I went out too hard for my first one.  Not all my fault though, the course is so hard, that it's impossible for me to stay in Z2 on all the long and steep climbs (with my current bike set-up).

I wish I could read the article, but I'm not a performance member - I was thinking of signing up anyway.

I'm thinking that I want to stay in high Z2/low Z3 and see what happens.

Thanks again...



2008-03-03 12:26 PM
in reply to: #1249091

User image

Champion
9407
500020002000100100100100
Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia
Subject: RE: HR advice and HIM race planning
Aikidoman - 2008-03-03 1:58 PM

I'm thinking that I want to stay in high Z2/low Z3 and see what happens.

Unless you are planning on being done the course under 3 hours, I would avoid z3 on the bike altogether.  If you do go to zone 3, I would say no more than the last 20-30' of the ride - otherwise you are setting up a long shuffle/walk.

Shane

2008-03-03 12:44 PM
in reply to: #1246592

User image

Coach
10487
50005000100100100100252525
Boston, MA
Subject: RE: HR advice and HIM race planning
Aikidoman - 2008-03-02 12:57 AM My training for an April HIM is going very well and I have been following my plan diligently.  But now I want to start thinking about my actual race plan.
I have read that for a full IM, one would like to stay in Z2 for most/all of the race.  Is that the same strategy for an HIM as well?  I thought that was going to be my approach until today’s long ride.

I decided to just ride, and not pay attention to the HRM and just go by feel.  I had a good ride, felt strong throughout, and got back home feeling good enough to run if it were a race.  It wouldn’t have been my best run, but I could have knocked it out pretty well.

I downloaded my garmin and was surprised to find that I spent 1/3 of my time in Z2, 1/3 in Z3, and 1/3 in Z4.  Not once did I exceed my LT of 173.
So does sound right for an HIM?  Stay below LT and split your time between Z2/Z3 and Z4?  Or should I hold back a little more?

I know everyone is different, but any thoughts would be appreciated.  Thanks....

Your ability to race any given distance will be a direct function of your current fitness level. IOW a fitter person will be able to race at a higher intensity than a less trained individual for the simple fact that the his/her fitness will should him to complete the race in a shorter period of time (assuming other variables are taking care of such as proper pacing, nutrition, etc)

In general for an AG should be able to race an HIM between his endurance pace (Z2) and just below his LT (Z4); again which specific range will depend on your current fitness level leading up to the race. The way to find out what is most likely the best intensity for you can be estimated through your long training sessions (as you did) and race rehearsals. Perform some race specific sessions @ race pace and based on your performance adjust your strategy

2008-03-03 12:54 PM
in reply to: #1249208

User image

Sensei
Sin City
Subject: RE: HR advice and HIM race planning

Thanks Jorge,

I may try to get a couple mile run in after my next long bike.  I might have felt more refreshed than reality.  I felt fine after the ride, but I would be more certain if I ran 2 to 3 miles at race pace and guaged how I felt then.

Good idea, thanks....

2008-03-03 1:11 PM
in reply to: #1246592

User image

Coach
10487
50005000100100100100252525
Boston, MA
Subject: RE: HR advice and HIM race planning

some HIM race rehearsal ideas:

swim 20 min (HIM pace) + bike 2-3 hr with at least half 1 hr HIM pace + 40 min run half at HIM or

run 30 min easy + bike 2-3 hr with at least  1hr at HIM pace + 30 min run with 20 min HIM pace

2008-03-03 2:07 PM
in reply to: #1246592

User image

Expert
623
500100
Wye Mills, MD
Subject: RE: HR advice and HIM race planning

Your question got me curious, so FWIW, I looked up a race from last year. My zone breakdowns were as follows -
Bike Z2/Z3/Z4: 24%/70%/6%
Run Z2/Z3/Z4: 23%/76%/1%*
*- it felt like much more than 1%.

My key race prep workouts are probably longer than normally prescribed. I like to work up to a 60 mile bike/10-12 mile run brick about 2 weeks out from race day. The bike I go by feel, and keep the run pegged at upper Z2. IMO, I get a sense of what I'm going to go through fatigue and nutrition-wise come race day. If I'm going to be out there for 5 hrs, I don't want my longest workout to be 4 hrs.



2008-03-03 9:30 PM
in reply to: #1246592

Subject: ...
This user's post has been ignored.
2008-03-04 6:29 AM
in reply to: #1250461

Master
2202
2000100100
Canton, Michigan
Subject: RE: HR advice and HIM race planning
PennState - 2008-03-03 10:30 PM

My first HIM last year I did the following:

Bike Z3/Z4.
Run started Z3, last 5 miles Z4.

This worked well for me... but I was reasonably fit last year as well.

Targeting Z2 is probably smarter, but as Jorge says... it depends on your fitness



Penn, did you follow one of the BT programs last year or other methods to train for your first HIM.

Akido, joining BT gives you some choices for training plans. After following the last several weeks of an Oly plan last year and having my best races ever, I'm doing there 20 week HIM plan for my first HIM in July. Having focused planned training is something I needed to improve.
New Thread
General Discussion Triathlon Talk » HR advice and HIM race planning Rss Feed