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2008-03-31 2:33 PM

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Subject: Training Load/ Fatigue
So I'm wondering about other BTers and their training load?

Now I know this question is fraught with the "mine's bigger than yours" embellishments, but seriously, just how carried away are we out there?

I'm asking this with a couple of suppositions in place, that we're all recreational, we all work, and some of us have kids / spouses etc. Oh, and ha-ha, maybe I should limit this question to the over 40s

I'm following the Silver member Oly 12 week HR based plan and this week calls for 11 hours. When I add in strength at 90 minutes that's 12.5 and I'm thinking WTF? Maybe I'm just need to HTFU as some say, but is 11 hours really necessary for an Oly?

I'm starting to feel very weary but compulsive all at the same time. I should say this is going to be my 3rd season for triathlon-- 1st oly last year-- and I was attempting to actually "follow a plan" rather than just live to tell about it. (Thankfully I have probably the most stress free job one could ask for)

What's everyone else out there doing as an average load?
(I was gonna do a little poll thingy but am not quite that adept yet


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2008-03-31 3:23 PM
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It's subjective.  How well do you want to do in your Oly?  11 hrs sounds like a decent amount but I have found plans with more, and found some with less.  If you just want to finish, you could do less....

As for me, I have been averaging 12-13 hours per week for the last couple months for my HIM and it's an average plan.   A balance between time and desired results (which is to better my last HIM time).  It's been a little tough to keep that up - but I have managed.

I want to tackle an IM plan next.  Again, I have found IM plans that have the exact amount of time that I currently spend on my HIM but I have also found IM plans that have 20+ hours per week....

2008-03-31 3:24 PM
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I am 46 don't work but have 5 kids so I train while they are in school and time is limited. I found for me that doing 2 build weeks then 1 recovery week works best for me otherwise I was getting sick 5-6 times a year. Most folks do 3/1 build/rest weeks, but after doing 2/1 for an off season my coach and I saw how it worked better for me and I no longer got sick all the time.

How much you train is so variable. When you are slower doing a 50 mile ride or 14 mile run takes longer than fast young guys.

I basically do 3 swims & runs and 4 bikes a week with strength training and yoga. I have shoulder issues on and off so sometimes I can't swim.

You need to find what works for you and your family..good luck with that!

2008-03-31 3:27 PM
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I have kids, hubby, social life, school etc, but no job, and find the 10 - 12 hrs per week (and this is 22 weeks out, HIM plan) to be getting to be too much. My plan does not have recovery weeks, it slowly builds. Yes, I am over 40. Yes I am tired.

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2008-03-31 3:36 PM
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travljini - 2008-03-31 3:33 PM  When I add in strength at 90 minutes 

This is why many eliminate, or reduce, weight lifting during the race season. Something's gotta give. Your choice.  

2008-03-31 3:53 PM
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Subject: RE: Training Load/ Fatigue
IMO, 11 hours per week is not necessary for an olympic plan... I think you could train pretty effectively for an olympic distance race in more like 8 - 9 hours per week. Some sessions may need to be more intense to get the same training benefit. I'm training a little over 10 hours per week 2 months out from a half-iron distance race, and I think things are going pretty well. That will pick up in the coming weeks as I reach the peak of my training, but probably won't go much past 15 hours per week or so. On-line training plans, even very good ones like the ones on BT, are NOT one size fits all... If you're feeling overly fatigued, you could be setting yourself up for injury, so scale back if you need to. Better to make it to race day healthy!

Good luck!


2008-03-31 4:00 PM
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BabsVa: "Yes, I am over 40. Yes I am tired"

Thank you for that

and thanks everybody. I'm sort of experimenting with what will happen to my race if I follow a dedicated plan rather than just "wing it."

I will have to say this is the FIRST time I've implemented speed work into my program so it is more intense. I.E. Wed. I have a one hour run of 5x5s at LT with 3 min recovery, 10 min WU/CD. The first time I did one of those sessions I was toast the rest of the day BUT running is my weakest event so I figure this is all good.

I'm just tired. Thankfully I have a supportive hubby -- albeit he thinks I'm nuts
2008-03-31 4:17 PM
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Subject: RE: Training Load/ Fatigue
Did a half last year and my training load crept up to about 12-13 hours/week max.

Currently in the 9-12 hour range (mostly 9-10) at this point, though that'll probably increase as marathon training kicks in a bit more this summer.

Disclaimer -- nothing longer than an Olympic this year for me.

Over time, your resistance(?) to fatigue will improve, and longer weeks seem normal. But don't be afraid to drop back a little if you need the rest.
2008-03-31 4:38 PM
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At first (even at 25), the 12-15 hours of base training I was doing wore me out. However, as others have said, you do get used to it. After a few weeks, everything was peachy. Now, my actual training plan only requires between 8-11 hours a week, which is rather refreshing. I think you'll get there, and as others have already said, there are plans that require fewer training hours. Pick what is best for you and enjoy it! Good luck!
2008-03-31 9:47 PM
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KathyG - 2008-03-31 4:24 PM

How much you train is so variable. When you are slower doing a 50 mile ride or 14 mile run takes longer than fast young guys.

I really agree with that statement.  My 3 hour ride on Sunday was only 41 miles, and a 14 mile run takes me well over 2 hours.  I log my swims in yards, my runs in miles and my biking in hours (as a lot is on the trainer and I don't believe the speed/distance it says I'm doing).  I think training  'hours' can't be compared from person to person.

 If you count the prep, travel, planning, reading,  training time and add the hours I waste here on BT I'd be well over 20 hours week and haven't even started my HIM training plan yet.

2008-03-31 10:00 PM
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I am just about 40 (next week) and am in my 5th week of a 20 week couch to olympic plan (8-9 hrs/wk at this point). I was pushing myself really hard the last 3 months and was not enjoying training. This month I decided that since I just want to finish and it is my first year I will slow down a bit. For example on the trainer I will ride so that I am comfortable enough to get out an answer to someone's question instead of spitting out single words at them because I couldn't breathe and talk at the same time. The coolest thing is that my total distances have only decreased slightly and training is so much more fun and I am not so tired at the end of the day. I actually am looking forward to training instead of dreading it. Following a plan is great but tweak it to meet your needs


2008-03-31 10:26 PM
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Training load is an accumulation of both time and intensity. How much someone can handle will vary from person to person and, once you're near your limit, it's something that you can only build up slowly. If you're getting too tired, you may be taking on too much too soon. If your plan has recovery weeks, see how you feel by the end of the recovery week.

I'm over 40 too but what I can do has nothing to do with what you can handle. Don't overdo it because you think you should be able to. Get enough rest for your own needs.

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2008-04-01 11:31 AM
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I need to correct my previous post. My plan called for 8 - 10 1/2 hours per week. I have been tagging on social/fun workouts in addition because - well, call me crazy, but I like to have fun. That brought the total up to 12 hours recently.
2008-04-01 12:08 PM
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I'm just starting my 3rd season.  I'm over 40.  I'm tired.  Currently just finished a huge build week and started a recovery week.  Last year while training for an Oly I did drop my weight training in favor of longer ride and run times.  I'm not sure I'm real happy with that, but I did relatively well in the oly - finished and didn't hurt myself. 

I recommend that you listen to your body.  It's tricky because you want to push yourself some, but not so much that you get hurt or sick.  I think that if you don't feel good after a rest day, or a recovery week, that you need to take more recovery time.  How many rest days do you have each week?

2008-04-01 12:25 PM
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It is all relative.

3 years ago I struggled with 5 or 6 hours a week for sprint distance. This year I am tackling IM distance.

Sometimes I am tired and sometimes it is a challenge to make time. I work 45+ hours a week. Have a wife and 2 teenage girls. Play drums in a rock and roll band most Friday and Saturday nights. Havew band rehearsal once a week most weeks and still make it to my girls softball games.

Making every hour count is important. Fueling for the days training load keeps from feeling to tired. If I under eat I die.

FWIW I am 37, so no spring chicken.

2008-04-01 2:30 PM
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idahodan - 2008-04-01 10:25 AM

Making every hour count is important. Fueling for the days training load keeps from feeling to tired. If I under eat I die.



x2 ... make sure you are meeting your caloric, and your carbohydrate, intakes daily - even on off-days. It will help with energy levels and keep you fueled through your workouts and the rest of your life.
PM me if you have any questions about that. ;-)


2008-04-01 2:43 PM
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travljini - 2008-03-31 12:33 PM I'm following the Silver member Oly 12 week HR based plan and this week calls for 11 hours. When I add in strength at 90 minutes that's 12.5 and I'm thinking WTF?

Hey, we are on the same week of the Oly 12 week plan! I'm definitely feeling some fatigue facing this big week too. I'm under 40, no kids, working full time and going to grad school part time, and I've been surprised at how regimented I have to keep my schedule just to get it all in. "weary but compulsive" totally describes it. The scheduling and managing of the schedule is exhausting in its own way.

I agree with the posters above who say listen to your body, and make sure to make time for the rest days. I also think there are times when it's better to sacrifice training for sleep rather than vice versa.

Anyway, just want to say that I sympathize, and best of luck to you! For what it's worth, I almost always cut out the strength training, and on the bright side this is the peak volume week for the plan. Looking forward to a more manageable 7-ish hours next week.

 

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