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2008-04-09 5:27 PM

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Subject: Cooling down after T2: Cold Glove.
Torbjorn Sindballe at Kona in '07 wore a white glove he put ice in, and his hand acts like a radiator, cools the blood and increased his ability to stay cool, and run faster.

When I do brick work and or in T2, I notice that I heat up significantly off the bike into the run. After reading the research from Avacore's website, I'm convinced that a product like Sindballe used at Kona could be utilized out of T2 to bring down the core temperature for the first five minutes, giving you a significant boost in that difficult transition between bike and run.

I have some mock ups of a glove that you would have stored at the transition area that you would slip on in T2 and would cool you off for the first five minutes, and you would ditch at the first aid station. A device simply made to lower your temperature during the brutal T2.

It would be stored in a small insulated bag in T2. The glove would contain a gel, like that of an ice pack that will cool the palm of his hand, and would last for about five to ten minutes.

http://avacore.com/works.html a core cooling device

http://www.competitorradio.com/shows/203CompetitorsTjobornSindballe...
A pod cast with Torbjorn Sindballe


2008-04-09 5:32 PM
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Subject: RE: Cooling down after T2: Cold Glove.

I'll take a look.  This (and Torbjorn) have been on my mind since I wated Kona.  I'm dealing with heat issues a lot due to my size.  Not overly fat, just big.  As I recall, Torbjorn is a bigger guy as well, which contributed to the problem.

I was contemplating using a very similar device to see if it helps.  As of now, ice under the hat is about as good as I can do.... 

2008-04-09 5:39 PM
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Subject: RE: Cooling down after T2: Cold Glove.
Here a quote from Avacor's research site:

"When an athlete gets hot, blood flow naturally increases through these skin regions to dissipate heat through specialized blood vessels called arteriovenous anastomoses. This is a result of two phenomena: First, these treatments are applied to the skin's surface, and thus have difficulty penetrating the body's insulating layers of tissue. Second, the cold temperatures of these remedies can result in a vasoconstriction of the peripheral blood vessels and actually cause a reverse of the desired effect by shutting down the natural heat dissipation mechanisms."

I too used the ice in hat, and would feel a little cooler, but it never last long. The glove would have to be cool, but not so cold as to cause the blood vessels in the hand to contract.
2008-04-09 8:50 PM
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Subject: RE: Cooling down after T2: Cold Glove.
I saw a write-up about a cold glove for the Armed Forces. I reminded me of the movie Universal Soldier. It seemed amazing. I can't get how it helps you that much, but I'd love to know how well it works in practice.
2008-04-11 7:55 AM
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Subject: RE: Cooling down after T2: Cold Glove.
I've read about the cooling glove developed at Stanford for the military. The first person to develop a truly portable (smaller) version will make a gazillion...

The vaccuum aspect seems to make a huge difference - would be GREAT if you could come up with something as effective in a "disposable" format.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/15.03/bemore.html

http://www.stanfordalumni.org/news/magazine/2005/julaug/features/co...
2008-04-11 9:16 AM
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Subject: RE: Cooling down after T2: Cold Glove.
This is awesome.. it has been a problem for me as well.. I'm 6'4 and when I come off that bike, there doesnt seem to be enough drink around me.. the idea of "cold gloves" at T2 is intriguing.. hmm maybe a luddite version would be frozen running gloves that are throw-away ? But then, where do you store them ? in a cooler at T2 ?


2008-04-11 10:28 AM
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Subject: RE: Cooling down after T2: Cold Glove.
The one at Stanford seems incredible almost too much so to believe.
2008-04-11 10:36 AM
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Subject: RE: Cooling down after T2: Cold Glove.
Out of curiousity, has anyone contacted Avacore to inquire as to the price of the unit?
2008-04-11 11:10 AM
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Subject: RE: Cooling down after T2: Cold Glove.
MoquiVA - 2008-04-11 10:36 AM

Out of curiousity, has anyone contacted Avacore to inquire as to the price of the unit?


According to the article they go for $4,000:

"the $4,000 unit weighs 12 pounds and has to be reloaded with ice every 2 1/2 hours..."
2008-04-11 11:44 AM
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Subject: RE: Cooling down after T2: Cold Glove.

How about carrying the instant ice packs in your hands? I think it might work fairly well, and definitely would be ditchable at aid stations - or the cold could last decently long if you still were having trouble regulating heat once you passed the first aid station.

 

2008-04-11 11:45 AM
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DB - 2008-04-11 12:10 PM
MoquiVA - 2008-04-11 10:36 AM Out of curiousity, has anyone contacted Avacore to inquire as to the price of the unit?
According to the article they go for $4,000: "the $4,000 unit weighs 12 pounds and has to be reloaded with ice every 2 1/2 hours..."

Yeah, I think that's back-burnered until I win the lottery then. Latex gloves and ice for me all the way then!  



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