General Discussion Triathlon Talk » bilateral breathing drills Rss Feed  
Moderators: k9car363, alicefoeller Reply
 
 
of 2
 
 
2005-01-05 1:03 PM

User image

Pro
3870
200010005001001001002525
Virginia Beach, VA
Subject: bilateral breathing drills
I'm very comfortable breathing to my right but can't even get close on the left. I tried a couple times the other night and all I got was a mouth full of water and complete break down in my stroke. So, what's the trick to learning bilateral breathing...there has to be some type of drill other than just forcing myself to go to the left until I can make it work.


2005-01-05 1:14 PM
in reply to: #99183

User image

Pro
3906
20001000500100100100100
St Charles, IL
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills
I just forced myself to do it until it worked.

First 2 or 3 sessions I got quite a few mouthfulls of pool. After that it got progressively smoother until now I don't have a preference as to which side I breath.

-Chris
2005-01-05 1:17 PM
in reply to: #99183

Member
40
25
Kankakee, Illinois
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills
Im with you...it's something I never did well and never really practiced. I am trying to force myself now at some point during my swim workout to rotate and focus on that bad side....

Question I have is, is it really all that advantageous or is breathing every forth stroke same side ok too?
2005-01-05 1:18 PM
in reply to: #99183

User image

Pro
4206
20002000100100
Los Angeles, CA
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills
The drill I used was the one arm drill using the weak side (the side you don't like doing bilateral on). This drill will make you drink more water and flip flop more than bilateral and then when you do bilateral, it will seem like nothing after this.
2005-01-05 1:32 PM
in reply to: #99183

User image

Pro
3906
20001000500100100100100
St Charles, IL
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills
It is worth learning, as what are you going to do if you only breath right-side, and during a swim mass start you've got another swimmer on your right running into you, but your left side is open water?

Plus, by alternating sides, it helps you keep a more balanced swim stroke, getting full hip rotation in both directions.
2005-01-05 1:33 PM
in reply to: #99183

User image

Expert
1166
10001002525
Colchester, CT
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills
I'm forcing myself now, just started about a month ago. Started with doing 25 yd intervals breathing only on the left side, did that for a few weeks until I got comfortable, (well as comfortable as possible ;-) ). Then i switched to bilateral intervals. Now I make sure I do some of both every pool session.

Be patient, and think back to when you first started your swim training. If you were like the majority of us here, you couldn't breath period, left or right. Now that you are making the transition to bilateral, be just a patient. It will come with time.

Chris


2005-01-05 2:20 PM
in reply to: #99193

User image

Elite
2915
2000500100100100100
New City, New York
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills
This sounds a lot like the thread on flip turns. If you think you'll have a use for it than give it try. Personally I'm limited on my workout time and i don't plan on doing any indoor or ocean tri's so I have never bothered to teach myself the flip turn or bilateral breathing. In fact, I train breathing every 4th stroke, right side only but every race I end up every 2nd stroke bc of nerves excitement etc. I'm able to maintain my pace and sight the buoys as every race I've ever done was clockwise. Most agree the start is the hardest part so train yourself w/ whatever will give you the most confidence.

Edited by rollinbones 2005-01-05 2:22 PM
2005-01-05 3:18 PM
in reply to: #99183

User image

Expert
649
50010025
Palm Coast, FL
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills
I agree probably more advantageous to extend the number of strokes between breaths than to worry about bilateral... I can do neither well but when I can swim more than 500 breathing every third woahhhh baby watch out    Biggest benefit I think I would gain in bilateral is definitley the ability to keep shore landmarks etc in sight.

Gordo has some interesting notes on bilateral http://www.byrn.org/gtips/bl0202.htm
2005-01-05 3:59 PM
in reply to: #99183

User image

Pro
3870
200010005001001001002525
Virginia Beach, VA
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills
I'm not sure I see much benefit to being able to go 4 or 6 strokes between breaths vs 2 strokes. If you have an efficient stroke then breathing shouldn't slow you down at all so I'm not too concerned about how often I take a breath...the more oxygen the better as far as I'm concerned. I think it would be most helpful to me to be able to go bilateral because you never know where the waves are coming from, who might be splashing on your hip, or what direction the turns will go. It's imp[ortant enough to me to learn.
2005-01-05 4:11 PM
in reply to: #99183

User image

Expert
649
50010025
Palm Coast, FL
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills
Im honestly not sure which you'll get the most benefit from but I know the general consensus is both are beneficial. Not having to breathe every stroke from what I've read makes you more effecient. You're able to stay more streamlined and spend less time on your side. I can swim about 500m breathing every 3rd stroke and my time for that 500 is typically markedly less than when I breathe every stroke. This holds true whether I do it first or last.
2005-01-05 4:40 PM
in reply to: #99183

User image

Elite
2796
2000500100100252525
Texas
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills

TH3_FRB - 2005-01-05 12:03 PM I'm very comfortable breathing to my right but can't even get close on the left. I tried a couple times the other night and all I got was a mouth full of water and complete break down in my stroke. So, what's the trick to learning bilateral breathing...there has to be some type of drill other than just forcing myself to go to the left until I can make it work.

Maybe there is something mechanically different that you are doing not directly related to breathing. When you roll to breathe on the left, maybe your right hand is in a lower orientation (compared to the position of your left arm when you are breathing to the right) out in front of you relative to the surface. That would make it harder to get to the surface on left because your head is lower in the water too. Are you familiar with any of the drills from TI?



2005-01-05 4:47 PM
in reply to: #99284

User image

Pro
4206
20002000100100
Los Angeles, CA
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills
I thought the whole thing with total immersion was to swim on your side??? :-O

soupaman - 2005-01-05 1:11 PM

Im honestly not sure which you'll get the most benefit from but I know the general consensus is both are beneficial. Not having to breathe every stroke from what I've read makes you more effecient. You're able to stay more streamlined and spend less time on your side. I can swim about 500m breathing every 3rd stroke and my time for that 500 is typically markedly less than when I breathe every stroke. This holds true whether I do it first or last.
2005-01-05 4:54 PM
in reply to: #99312

User image

Elite
2796
2000500100100252525
Texas
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills

auto208562 - 2005-01-05 3:47 PM I thought the whole thing with total immersion was to swim on your side??? :-O
soupaman - 2005-01-05 1:11 PM

No that would be the total sidestroke..  :-) :-) :-)

2005-01-05 4:55 PM
in reply to: #99183

User image

Expert
649
50010025
Palm Coast, FL
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills
I dont know I dont do TI I tried it but the drills drills drills just bored me to tears and without a decent coach its hard to know if you're doing anything right. And Im not spending $400 for a weekend group at this point in my tri life. I do tend to focus on pushing the bouy and downhill swimming I also pay attention to front quadrant swimming but when it comes right down to it the swim is not going to make or break my race as Im not an elite. I swim a thousand in about 18 minutes mediocre but just fine for me I spend lots more time on the bike and before I got the itbs running.
2005-01-05 4:56 PM
in reply to: #99315

User image

Pro
4206
20002000100100
Los Angeles, CA
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills
lol!

RGRBILL - 2005-01-05 1:54 PM

auto208562 - 2005-01-05 3:47 PM I thought the whole thing with total immersion was to swim on your side??? :-O
soupaman - 2005-01-05 1:11 PM

No that would be the total sidestroke..  :-) :-) :-)

2005-01-05 4:57 PM
in reply to: #99317

User image

Pro
4206
20002000100100
Los Angeles, CA
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills
I'm not sure either. I didn't want to spend money on a coach either, I just watched some videos and read some articles on it. I guess whatever technique/style works, to go with it.

soupaman - 2005-01-05 1:55 PM

I dont know I dont do TI I tried it but the drills drills drills just bored me to tears and without a decent coach its hard to know if you're doing anything right. And Im not spending $400 for a weekend group at this point in my tri life. I do tend to focus on pushing the bouy and downhill swimming I also pay attention to front quadrant swimming but when it comes right down to it the swim is not going to make or break my race as Im not an elite. I swim a thousand in about 18 minutes mediocre but just fine for me I spend lots more time on the bike and before I got the itbs running.


2005-01-05 5:49 PM
in reply to: #99183

Master
1728
100050010010025
portland, or
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills
Some drills:

Side kicking (ala TI) on your "weak side" (facing the direction that's difficult to breathe to) with down arm extended.
Side kicking with arms at your side.
Single arm swimming with non working arm extended.
Single arm swimming with non working arm at side.

Do each of them separately as drill progressions in a couple of workouts. Then do them as a drill/swim (one length drill, one length swim) sets. If you're really struggling try using fins the first few times. A pull bouy can also be useful to get comfortable, but it's important that you wean yourself off of the tools so they don't become a crutch.

Once you can breathe to the opposite side, start doing sets where you'll breathe one direction on one length, then the opposite on the next. The final step is to begin mixing in lengths of breathing every third.

Most people tend to lift their head when breathing to the "off-side" at first, which causes you to lose your body position, which results in a mouthful of water, which makes you nervous, which......makes you go back to what's comfortable.

Even most top swimmers don't bi-lateral breathe when racing. But being able to insures that you can breathe to the "clear side" (important in lake swims as well as ocean swims. i've seen some very choppy water in some lake swims); it will balance out your stroke in practice; and you'll develop another "gear".

scott
2005-01-05 5:50 PM
in reply to: #99312

User image

Pro
3870
200010005001001001002525
Virginia Beach, VA
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills
True...being on your side is actually more efficient and it's the rotation of your body that allows you to generate power from your core rather than rely on only arm and leg strength.

auto208562 - 2005-01-05 4:47 PM

I thought the whole thing with total immersion was to swim on your side??? :-O

soupaman - 2005-01-05 1:11 PM

Im honestly not sure which you'll get the most benefit from but I know the general consensus is both are beneficial. Not having to breathe every stroke from what I've read makes you more effecient. You're able to stay more streamlined and spend less time on your side. I can swim about 500m breathing every 3rd stroke and my time for that 500 is typically markedly less than when I breathe every stroke. This holds true whether I do it first or last.
2005-01-05 9:08 PM
in reply to: #99183

User image

Master
1534
100050025
San Diego, CA
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills

As mentioned by others, the TI kick drill (on your side, with lower arm forward, top arm at your side) works good for me.  Seems to help finding a comfortable balance on that "off" side.

Whatever you use to get comfortable, stick with it.  You will possibly reduce your risk of shoulder injury if you "share the load" by using bi-lateral breathing.  Some may not agree, but it seems to help me.

GoodLuck,
Danny

2005-01-05 10:45 PM
in reply to: #99183

User image

Pro
3870
200010005001001001002525
Virginia Beach, VA
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills
I was determined to figure it out so I spent my entire workout tonight doing 25-50 yards at a time working on variations of bilateral breathing...every 3, 5, 7 strokes, 25 on the left, 25 on the right, 2 on the left one on the right...and I can now do it with minimal pool water intake. Of course the slower I go the better i do because it gives me time to concentrate on what I'm doing, but I left the pool feeling comfortable that I made significant progress. I plan to keep forcing myself t favor the left side until it feels as natural as the right. Within a few weeks I should have it nailed.
2005-01-05 10:59 PM
in reply to: #99461

User image

Extreme Veteran
393
100100100252525
Tokyo, Japan
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills

That's good to hear Joel.  It looks like you've discovered the 'drill' that worked for me, and a few others here by the sounds of it...'persistance'.

When I first started I used to breathe every two strokes.  However, I would always look the same way.  That is, I would always look toward the wall at my local gym.  So when I was swimming "down" the pool, I would be breathing to the right, and when I returned back "up" the pool, I would breathe to my left.  NO EXCEPTIONS!!  I found this to work quite well.

As you said, the first few times you're surprised to see that there is still water left in the pool as it feels like you've swallowed it all.  But it does get easier, as you've discovered tonight.  Stick with it and in a few weeks it will feel just as natural as your right side.  Goodluck.

Oh, and to all you people on this thread who question wether bilateral breathing is beneficial, I say "Good!!"  Just another advantage I'll have over you when we're out on the swim leg together.

Travis



2005-01-05 11:26 PM
in reply to: #99183

User image

Veteran
247
10010025
Eagle River, Alaska
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills
I teach swimming, and one of the reasons that its important to breath on both sides is not to stress out your shoulder and neck muscles, although it doesnt seem like it breathing to one side can cause more stress than neccasary on the side you are breathing on. Its worth it to learn to breath on both sides!!!

just my two cents!

Jamie
2005-01-05 11:52 PM
in reply to: #99183

Veteran
166
1002525
Alabama
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills
I guess I'm one of the fortunate few that bilateral breathing comes pretty naturally. AND actually I'm stronger on my left side which is also odd. BUT I did figure out a trick that was taught in TI class, which is forcing the top of your head deeper into the water when gasping for that precious breath...when I do this, I RARELY if ever get water in my mouth. Also I noticed tonight that I leave the opposite arm out front as long as I can and then let it drop as my head goes deeper. Hard to picture I'm sure, but it worked for me!

Good luck!!

Kristi
2005-01-06 1:27 AM
in reply to: #99183

Veteran
118
100
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills
Where I swim, the coach starts every workout with "8 min alt. breath free." You breath every third stroke on either side.

After a year and a half of this, it was very easy to teach myself how to breath on the left side.

I think that in any distance event, you should breath every other stroke. More oxyene = more energy.

I breath 2 or three strokes on each side, switching back and fourth.
2005-01-06 8:13 AM
in reply to: #99183

User image

Expert
798
500100100252525
Potomac, Maryland
Subject: RE: bilateral breathing drills

I learned bilateral breathing by breathing to the other side more and more often.  At first, just  once or twice every other lap, then a few times, and on and on until it became increasingly comfortable.  I didn't rush it and within a few weeks it became quite natural.  Now I'm so accustomed to it that I sometimes forget which was my original breathing side.  For me, bilateral breathing is important to give me more options in open water for sighting reference points, avoiding swimmers and mouthfuls of water, encouraging even development of swimming muscles, and relieving soreness that I sometimes get if breathing on the same side for long periods of time.      I've also learned to breathe every third stroke.  Why not?  It's another skill and may be useful in sprints.  However, I  think in longer races it is detrimental as it decreases your oxygen intake and may sap needed strength for the bike. 

New Thread
General Discussion Triathlon Talk » bilateral breathing drills Rss Feed  
 
 
of 2