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2008-06-24 12:36 PM
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Let us know if they respond. I'm curious as to what happened.
Were you wearing a wetsuit?


2008-06-24 1:27 PM
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Subject: RE: US Women's Tri - Naperville, June 22
suzimmer - 2008-06-24 12:36 PM

Let us know if they respond. I'm curious as to what happened.
Were you wearing a wetsuit?


Well...I already received a response from a gentleman named Mike Proctor of Sports Management Associates, Inc. By the looks of it, he is standing by the times they recorded for me. I still firmly believe that something is wrong with my times, but I guess I won't be able to argue that point with anyone from SMA. No, I was not wearing a wetsuit. My chip was clearly visible on my ankle. Here is the email reply I received from him:


Here are the times recorded for your chip at the various timing points:

Swim staging mat - 8:37:19
(your wave started at 8:39:06)
swim exit - 8:51:50 (giving you a 12:45 swim time)
bike start - 8:57:09 (giving you a 5:19 transition)
bike finish - 9:40:32 ( = 43:24 bike)
run start - 9:43:16 ( = 2:45 transition)
finish line - 10:10:22 ( = 27:07 run and 1:31:17 overall time)

If you were in the water "at least 20 minutes" you would have still been in the water at 8:59 - however you started the bike at 8:57.

Mike Proctor
Sports Management Associates, Inc.
4562 N. 126th StreetButler, WI 53007
(262) 781-8877
(262) 781-9977 fax
[email protected]


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2008-06-24 1:35 PM
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Subject: RE: US Women's Tri - Naperville, June 22
Ok...here is another thought I have on this. Is there even a remote possibility, that the distance for the swim could have been "off"? With it being a USAT sanctioned event, I would think that some "official" from the USAT would have to confirm that the distance for the swim course, was indeed, 750 meters...correct?

Am I the only one who feels that their swim time for this event is incorrect? Are there any other ladies out there that did the Naperville Women's Tri this past Sunday, and thought that their official swim split time was WAY faster than they expected it to be? I feel like I'm losing my mind...LOL I just don't see how it is possible for me to swim 750 meters in 12:45, when my absolute BEST time I ever clocked myself for this distance, was 17:38. The odds of me shaving nearly 5 minutes off my time, seems SO unlikely. If anything, I expected my swim time to be LONGER than my training times...due to the fact of so many other people being in the water at the same time would certainly slow everyone down a bit. Or am I totally missing the boat on this?

Linda

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2008-06-24 3:10 PM
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Subject: RE: US Women's Tri - Naperville, June 22
My swim time was much better then I thought also, but I did time it on my watch also and both the official time and my time are within seconds of each other. I got so nervous during the swim that I ended up doing most of it breast stroke which I swim faster then the front crawl. So I can beleive that I was 4-5 minutes faster then I would have been in the fastest practice. Here is a map of another tri in Naperville in August. The swim distance is shorter but you may be able to get a rough estimate of the swim (this tri map has distances marked).

http://www.napervilletri.com/downloads/napervillebikeswimmap.pdf

I also heard (and felt) once a few waves get swimming there is a current that develops. It will tend to pull you along. I definitly felt it around the turns.
2008-06-24 10:53 PM
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Subject: RE: US Women's Tri - Naperville, June 22
Hi Linda,

Well, I think my time is wrong too, as I felt like my swim was terrible... being kicked, getting water in the goggles, managing the turns.... I was expecting ~18-20 min based on my training and ...I got 13 min... I was proud of myself and thought: "Well, maybe the lack of experience threw me off and the people around me actually motivated me to swim faster without me realizing it" Until I read your post!! This was my first outdoor triathlon, so we'll see how the next one goes (Lake in the Hills). Yes ,maybe the distance was miscalculated....?

My bike was pretty good, 44:41, and the run as well, 24:08. The 1st mile running was tough as I hardly felt my legs, but I got into it in the 2nd mile. I finished 157 overall and 38/408. I had fun though, and can't wait for the next ones, I'm already addicted!!

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2008-06-25 7:09 AM
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Subject: RE: US Women's Tri - Naperville, June 22

My swim was definitely better than in past years, but I've been working on it, so it wasn't completely unexpected.  And I almost always swim better in races -- in a pool I lounge a little too much on the turns and lose a bunch of time that way, and also all the people provide an adrenaline rush that keeps me pushing a little more, too.

The course was laid out a little differently than in past years, but not dramatically so.  The far buoys were still out about as far as before, and I'm sure that the buoys in the shallow water were at about the same place as well.  A number of my friends who did the race (who have done it in year's past as well) ... mixed bag.  Some did better, some did worse, but not all swam so much better that we questioned the distance.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's not inconceivable that your swim time really WAS that much better.  Swimming in a race is completely different than training swims.  Other people being around you, as long as you're completely stopping because of them, will speed you up because you can draft them (speeds you up noticeably!).

I would just take it for what it is and be happy about it - that's a kick-butt swim time!    There will be other races to gauge your swim time on, and each will be different and have different variables that will feed into a slower or faster time. 



2008-06-25 10:14 AM
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Does anyone know the supplier of the tech shirt we got in our bags?
2008-06-25 1:03 PM
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Subject: RE: US Women's Tri - Naperville, June 22

Laura,

I guess you  make me feel good, after the doubt I had... we'll see how the next one goes!

2008-06-25 3:57 PM
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Subject: RE: US Women's Tri - Naperville, June 22
Laura,

I too, am feeling a bit less doubtful about my swim time after reading your post. I definitely want to do another one, to gauge against this one. I'm leaning towards the sprint tri in Wauconda on July 27th....or possibly the Pleasant Prairie sprint in August...we'll see.

Thanks again for your positive insight on things...it helps more than you know.

Linda
2008-06-25 9:12 PM
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kappie72 - 2008-06-25 10:14 AM Does anyone know the supplier of the tech shirt we got in our bags?

The name on the inside is www.lesliejordan.com.

 

2008-06-25 9:17 PM
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Thanks for the kind words...glad that I helped!  I was totally in your place a couple of years ago -- a million questions and veterans here took the time to answer, so I always try to give back when possible.  This is one of the most helpful, friendly tri websites I've been around and I want to do all I can to contribute in a positive fashion. 

On another note - I'm TOTALLY an over-analyzer of my times, so I do the same thing when I think that there's no way I could have gone that fast... start questioning the course, the timing, anything but thinking that maybe I pulled it off myself. 

In reality, the course might have been short.  Or, it might have been long.  Even USAT-sanctioned races can be mis-measured, especially on the swim.  And it's very difficult to compare between races -- everything from weather to water temp and course feed into how you fair on any given day.  So, what I've come to realize is that you learn what you can from a race, be proud of what you've accomplished and move ahead.  Hey - y'all did GREAT out there!  And you're out there... not many people even get to the starting line. 



2008-06-26 7:55 AM
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Laura,
Thanks for the insight. I too was also questioning the actually swim distance, but I'm taking it for what it is. I really worked on my swim this year so I'm hoping that this time is affirmation of all my work. I have SOR coming up so now I need to really work on the open water swim. Haven't been the lake yet. I see that you too are doing that race. Have you done it in the past?
I'm going up to Racine on Sunday for a training ride with Wellfit. I did their first ride back in May and it was FREEZING! and incredibly windy. Here's hoping for a better biking day.

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2008-06-26 9:30 AM
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suzimmer - 2008-06-26 7:55 AM Laura, Thanks for the insight. I too was also questioning the actually swim distance, but I'm taking it for what it is. I really worked on my swim this year so I'm hoping that this time is affirmation of all my work. I have SOR coming up so now I need to really work on the open water swim. Haven't been the lake yet. I see that you too are doing that race. Have you done it in the past? I'm going up to Racine on Sunday for a training ride with Wellfit. I did their first ride back in May and it was FREEZING! and incredibly windy. Here's hoping for a better biking day. Susie

SoR was my first HIM last year!  Loved it.  Got REALLY lucky and there was zero wind when the swim started (not so much by the middle of the bike, though!) so Lake Michigan was as calm as it gets.  I'm hoping to get out to Lake Michigan to swim at Ohio St. beach before then -- I've been doing OWS swims, but there's nothing quite like Lake Michigan.  The week before SoR, there's a swim up in Crystal Lake with a 1-mile and 2-mile course -- that's also a good warm-up to get an OWS done, complete with people to draft off of and vie for position with!

I did one of the Well-Fit training rides last year, and though my group got lost, I really liked having a good idea of what the course looked like before getting there.  Gave me the opportunity to put together a strategy of how to attack it.  Hope you enjoy your ride up there this weekend and with any luck, the weather will cooperate a little better for you! 

2008-06-26 12:23 PM
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The crystal lake swim sounds interesting.
I too am hoping to get over to Ohio Street. Last summer I would ride the lakefront, meet my friend who lives in the city and swim. Unfortunately, she is out with a shoulder injury so I've lost my OWS buddy. I'm watching the Lake temp thread to see when some people are heading out there. I would never swim in the lake alone.
2008-06-26 1:47 PM
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Hmmm...that Crystal Lake Swim DOES sound intriguing. And since it's only a $20 entrance fee, it's reasonable...for me, anyway. Don't know if I want to try for the 2-miler (never done that distance before)...or stick with the 1-miler. I could care less about my time, my objective would just be to finish the swim and not feel like I'm about to keel over. Is anyone else from BT, doing this event?

Linda

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2008-06-26 1:59 PM
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I'm seriously considering it since I really need the open water swim practice. I hear you on not caring about your time. I just need to get out here and not panic, something I'm very good at when it comes to open water swimming.


2008-06-26 2:07 PM
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Subject: RE: US Women's Tri - Naperville, June 22
Well...if you do decide to sign up for it, let me know...I'll do it, too! I'd be more apt to do it, if I had a 'buddy' with me. This would likely be my first OWS...but if I decide to do another triathlon (which is very likely)...it would be a good opportunity to "test the waters", so to speak. I'm seriously contemplating the Bangs Lake Oly Tri on August 10th...so doing this Crystal Lake OWS would be a good test run for me to see if I can go the distance. I've done a bunch of 1500 meter pool swims, but never OWS...now is as good a time as any.


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2008-06-26 2:13 PM
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I'll be out at Crystal Lake!  Doing just the 1-mile course.  There will be a handful of other BTer's as well.

No time right now, but I'll bore with my story from last year's attempt at this race later....

2008-06-26 3:37 PM
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StartingToTri - 2008-06-26 2:13 PM

I'll be out at Crystal Lake!  Doing just the 1-mile course.  There will be a handful of other BTer's as well.

No time right now, but I'll bore with my story from last year's attempt at this race later....

Hey Laura-I forget, since I have never done this race before, but do they close it after a certain amount of people?  I was considering doing it so I could have more OWS practice with actual participants, as opposed to going out to the lake by myself in Lake Michigan where there are other swimmers, but not like in a race, you know?

2008-06-26 4:47 PM
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StartingToTri - 2008-06-26 2:13 PM

I'll be out at Crystal Lake! Doing just the 1-mile course. There will be a handful of other BTer's as well.

No time right now, but I'll bore with my story from last year's attempt at this race later....

Hey Laura-I forget, since I have never done this race before, but do they close it after a certain amount of people? I was considering doing it so I could have more OWS practice with actual participants, as opposed to going out to the lake by myself in Lake Michigan where there are other swimmers, but not like in a race, you know?



I was thinking of doing either the 200 or 500 yard swim just for the OWS experience.
2008-06-26 11:10 PM
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miami9296 - 2008-06-26 3:37 PM

Hey Laura-I forget, since I have never done this race before, but do they close it after a certain amount of people?  I was considering doing it so I could have more OWS practice with actual participants, as opposed to going out to the lake by myself in Lake Michigan where there are other swimmers, but not like in a race, you know?

Not completely sure.  I did this for the first time last year and I believe that I signed up on race day...  the venue certainly wasn't overrun with people, though, since it was pretty crappy out.



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