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2008-06-13 11:42 AM

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I got this chunk of a reply from Erroda, and there were also some other great comments on th e"Mental Dissentigration" thread.

""By picking other key moments throughout your event to relax and re-focus on your game-plan you designate times/places at which you'll do some form of relaxation (that you practice during training) and mentally reset and go through your checklist, and do the next segment of the event with that reset as the starting point.""

and so- I am about to head long into the 140.6 training plan, and I hope to improve my mental grip for the Clermont 140.6.

In water training, I have done sprint to failure, open water in ruff water, and smooth water, and I have done a few group swims, and I am still affraid of the mental 'water panics' I seem top have at events. I end up on my back catching my breath, or slowing my breath down, or just plain ol panicing. At my last event I never did settle in.

Please share what you guys and gals think about during your swim? How do you keep your head?

Todd


2008-06-13 3:05 PM
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Panic can strike anyone in open water. Even for the most advanced swimmer panic situations can occur out there. I'm not sure what I think about when I'm out on an open swim.

Its beneficial to get to the start of the water swim early enough to check out the buoy layout, the water temp, the wind factor (which affects the wave factor), and just let the quickening heart rate calm a little as you get familiar.

If you are one that needs to warm up it might be beneficial to also get in and do a little 10 min warm up. This might make some people calm, and others get more anxious-so do whats right for you.

If you don't get in I'd advise doing something to get your heartrate up a little. When you start out cold in this already anxious situation it tends to make a bad situation worse and you may find yourself completely breathless, feeling sick and unable to recover from the panic. Getting your heartrate up a little will alleviate some of that as your body is already starting to pump adrenaline and endorphins.

Some people find it advantageous to wait for the rush of swimmers to pass a few seconds to minutes before starting out. That way you have a little more room, extra time to calm down and find your space without others pushing, clawing, kicking etc. over you. In the long run this isn't going to throw on a lot of extra time to your already very long race, but starting with them might if you have a panic attack or get hurt!

I start the swim strong but under pace. I don't go out full tilt boogie like a lot of others might-and might even condone. I like to gradually warm into a swifter pace. I go out smooth concentrating on relaxing my shoulders, rotating fully and fully exhaling with each breath. Its at the beginning that you will establish your breathing pattern and air supply. If you go out and get breathless right away its going to be a heck of a hard race.

I tend to stay very in the moment getting comfortable with those around me that settle into the same pace I am (I see them as my friends, not foes! They're keeping me company!) If you find someone around your pace latch onto their bubbles and stick with them. If you start to go faster find a new pal to hang with. Keep doing this "frogger" move only looking to the next swimmer. It will keep you busy.

For the 140.6 you need to break that swim down into little digestible chunks. Since its about 4000 yds think about 8x500 or 5x800 or 4x1000 whichever sounds the most digestible to you! When you are training start getting familiar with these smaller chunk distances so that you will have an idea of where you are in the swim. Time them so you know on race day about where you should be. That will also keep you distracted.

Many races have buoys about 500 meters apart...contact the race coordinator of your race and ask about the buoy markings. Then you make the buoys your goals like some people do with telephone poles running.

Train with sighting. It can take a lot of extra not-planned-for work to sight. Just make it a part of your pool training.

Don't get over zealous as the swim ends. You still have a long way to go! The swim will always be the shortest part of your race. Your goal is to just get through it in the most comfortable way you can. Don't assume because other people appear to be pushing the swim and going fast that they know what they're doing. Know yourself, know your limits, stay very in tune with how you are feeling. Its ultimatlely a race/event against yourself. Those who pace smart-win.
2008-06-13 3:31 PM
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that is an exceptional post!!! thank you.

I will find out about those bouyies and think in those terms.

sheeesh,
humbled a bit by the care you put into replying. thank you. this is a really big deal to me.

Todd
2008-06-13 6:03 PM
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I'm considered a pretty good swimmer by triathlon standards (I expect to be top 10% or better on the swim), but am not immune to water panic at all.  I got it bad on my first OWS and I worried about it a lot in my first year.

This is what I do:

1) Long warmup to get used to the water.  Especially important for me in colder water.  I want no surprised feeling when my face hits the water to start the race.

2) Make sure I love my wetsuit.  I felt constricted in my first wetsuit and that feeling contributed to a panic attack.  I'm not sure if the suit didn't fit right, or I just didn't put it on right, but I couldn't swim in that wetsuit again for mental expectation of panic.

3) Start out with a slow, long stroke.  Concentrate on setting a steady breathing pattern (I start at every 3 strokes).  Don't worry about racing.  Try to avoid the crowds. I expect not to enjoy the first few hundred meters, but after that I know my stroke and breathing will be in good rythm.  FWIW, many slower swimmers start off way too fast!!

4) At the start of the swim I remind myself over and over that the "off feeling" will get better.  Once I'm in rythm I focus finding feet to draft off of, always sighting every 8 strokes or so, all the while checking out the color of the caps I'm passing.  It keeps my mind off of not seeing the bottom, not seeing the sharks, barely seeing my frozen hands, not feeling my face, and all the other fun stuff that contributes to panic.

In my first year my goal was to finish without panic attacks.  Now I have more confidence and feel like I'm actually racing on the swim.  Never done it for 4000m in the open water though....

Brian



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2008-06-13 10:57 PM
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I have similar issues which seem worse beginning of the season but seems strange after 5 years of tri'ing. It concerns me for my upcoming IM. Now I'm doing only ows for my swim workouts and I have a new wetsuit on order.

I warm up and swim even with the shore for few minutes before going out. But almost every swim in the 2-10' range I get the feeling I just want out of the water and I'm really uncomfortable and after some amount of time it goes away.I usually start and stop a few times in that amount of time  Wetsuit plays into the feeling but I'm not really sure what it is that sets me off..it isn't fear that I feel but extreme anxiety and discomfort. My wetsuit was actually too big as I've lost weight.

I'm trying to come up with a plan to push through and deal with it but haven't come upon the solution yet.  

2008-06-14 8:50 AM
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you know the biggest thing abotu being honest abou sissues is this- THEY ARE NOT EXCUSES anymore. They are just issues. I find tht i am not alone, an that i can make it.

thanks for the replies so far.

Sparrow, i called the race direector and he is have the course peeps call me with the bouyie placements. wanted you to know i tool action.

and Kathy- maybe the floaties will turn the trick hhhehehee

Edited by flyinfree 2008-06-14 8:50 AM


2008-06-16 10:30 AM
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I believe I am a 'poster child' for swim panic attacks. I think I've done a total of 10 tris now and I've only been completely comfortable in the water for one race. That race was my last race. I can now say I am over my swim panic issues as I've learned how to deal with it and I have confidence in my swimming ability.

I had my usual panic attack in the water at IM CdA last year. I told myself the day before the race that all I had to do was survive the first 15 minutes of the swim and I would be fine. Well, 15:57 minutes into the race my panic attack was over and the day began. Here are a couple of tricks that have helped me:

Know the course - as stated above, familiarity of the course will help. For an IM, do the Gatorade swims - they help!

Warm up on race morning - For CdA I got in the water as soon as the swim start was open to acclimate to the temp and the thought of swimming.

Mental Prep is Key - envision yourself swimming calming. Do this - it works!

Practice sighting a lot - a big part of IM swimming is keeping a fairly straight line from buoy to buoy. Some of my panic issues in the past came from taking in water when putting my head straight up to sight. The more I practice sighting the more I've learned to deal with different water conditions.

Keep moving forward no matter what - even if you can't put your head in the water because you need to breath, side stroke or back stroke your way through your panic issues. I know when I panic I just need to breath. Side stroke works for me. There is plenty of time to complete the IM swim as long as you keep moving forward.

Start to the right and back to let the masses go - this one is pretty self explanantory.

Breath out fully when your face is in the water - again pretty standard swim advice.

And finally, don't quit and get yourself calm! - At CdA I panicked so bad that I was ready to grab a boat. The only problem was I had to swim to the nearest kayak. I told myself that if I could swim to the kayak I could swim to the next buoy. Finally when I started making forward progress I was able to calm myself down. Once I was calm, it was on!

I learned a lot at CdA last year. Once I finally survived my panic issues, I was completely comfortable in the water for the rest of the swim. That 2.4 mile swim cured most of my swim panic problems and I can now swim in a tri without panic. I still need proper warm up and visualization, but I no longer fear the swim like I used to.

 

For anyone with these issues, they CAN be over come. Good luck.

 

2008-06-18 1:15 PM
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If you have a panic attack, CALMLY talk to yourself! I have had two, one when 30' up on a ladder and realized the angle was too steep to come down from, and the second during a 400 yard swim that I swam the first 100 yards faster than the entire pack, then got pummled as everyone passed me when I couldn't breath anymore. What worked for me both times was to calmly talk to myself, like I was talking to a panicked person, trying to calm them down. It's sort of psycho, but those who've had attacks know how quickly irrationality kicks in. Forcing yourself to 'think' about calming yourself down, slows down the panic process.
2008-06-19 4:55 PM
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Today, I had my first ows of the season that I felt calm and had no issues. I've been doing ows 2-3x a week with tri friends.

I wore a new 2 piece wet suit that made me feel less constricted and my shoulders and arms have much more mobility. Plus the new DeSoto suit fits me well where my old one was to big.

For me just keeping at helps and each year I seem to get a case of water panic/uncomfortable that goes away in time...this year it seemed to take longer I think in large part to the idea of doing a 2.4 mile swim compared to a sprint or Oly swim.

2008-06-19 9:14 PM
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As part of my swimming self-hypnotherapy... I sing songs in my head when I swim.

 

2008-06-20 12:35 AM
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This is a good thread.  I wouldn't say I panicked at my last race but things started happening that got in my head.  First off, I didn't take the time to warm up, big mistake.  I'm a very slow starter in every sport I've ever done.  Secondly, I used different goggles than what I normally use (though the same brand and type.

The horn goes off and I'm feeling nervous but confident.  I start near the back and let most people go ahead of me.  I slowly enter the water, put my face in and start stroking.  Everything feels great, I'm so pumped, I'm actually doing it!  Then things start to unravel, I get hit a few times and each time, I stop and lift my head and look around then start again, I get bumped again.  In fact, I'm swimming fast enough that I'm running up on people that are slower than me, that really messes me up because I can't find a way to get around them.  Just as I'm trying to settle down, my goggles start leaking BAD, I stop to clear them, leaking again, clear, leak, now very foggy.  I pull the straps very tight and buggers still leak, now I'm half way through the swim and I'm very tired!  I become very disappointed and all these negative thoughts come out, I'm not a swimmer, what am I doing here?  Are they going to have to fish me out of here?  I try to regain control but I'm so winded I just can't keep my face in the water!  I end up side-stroking the last 80 yards or so.  I finished the .25 mile swim in 10 minutes and change.

Oh well, I made it.  Luckily I recover enough to do OK on the bike and run but the swim was TOUGH!  Next time, I know I'll do better.



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Oh, one more thing...The previous week, I swam the EXACT SAME COURSE just to practice with my friend and we were joking about how easy it was!  The Joke was on me!
2008-06-20 1:33 AM
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Everything said here so far has been spot on. The two things I would add deal with swim workouts leading to your event.

Many triathletes discount the need for solid swim preparation. While there have been many posts on that subject, it plays in very strongly when discussing panic attacks. If you go into the water doubting your swim skills you have set yourself up for a panic attack. It is far better to over train the swim and have total confidence in the water than to find yourself 800 yards from shore and suddenly doubting your ability to finish. If you can comfortably swim twice your event distance straight through in workout, you know your event swim is really just half what you normally swim.

The second thing I would add is a simple post swim workout technique to build your comfort in the water. Interestingly more people that you would guess simply don’t feel at home in the water. When you’re done with your swim workout take a moment to cool down and enjoy the water by simply floating on your stomach. Keep your goggles on and float calmly face down in the water. Breath to the side when needed, and let the water hold you up. While this sounds like a simple step you could skip ( and many advanced swimmers could ), it reinforces your basic comfort in the water. If you are confident that when you calm down and control your breathing the water will always support you, you go into the swim knowing your good to go.

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2008-09-19 1:33 PM
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HERE IT IS!



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