General Discussion Triathlon Talk » The ever popular BIKE SPEED! Rss Feed  
Moderators: k9car363, alicefoeller Reply
2008-07-23 3:50 PM

User image

Regular
107
100
Subject: The ever popular BIKE SPEED!

I know that it means more time in the saddle. But for running its interval work and farleks that get your speed up. So could the same techniques be tagged to the bike?

Right now im doing an arse load of hill work.

Any more ideas OTHER than "more time in the saddle"? 



2008-07-23 3:52 PM
in reply to: #1553525

User image

Champion
5850
50005001001001002525
Michigan
Subject: RE: The ever popular BIKE SPEED!
2008-07-23 3:53 PM
in reply to: #1553525

User image

Extreme Veteran
580
500252525
Kansas City, MO
Subject: RE: The ever popular BIKE SPEED!

There was a little article in this month's Bicycling magazine (Tour related of course) about how to improve both hill climbing and time trialing, and some different workouts to do each.  The time trial improvement workout was doing intervals at race pace with some rest in between.

So, yeah, more time in the saddle first....and nothing wrong with doing intervals to get faster.  (I read it in a magazine, it must be true....Laughing

2008-07-23 3:56 PM
in reply to: #1553525

User image

Pro
4481
20002000100100100100252525
Reston
Subject: RE: The ever popular BIKE SPEED!

Buy some Zipps and an aero helmet.  Oh, and maybe a bento box, apparently that helps.  And keep the straw cut short on your aero bottle.  Shave your legs. 

 Why train when you can spend money?

2008-07-23 3:57 PM
in reply to: #1553525

User image

Veteran
303
100100100
Auburn, Alabama
Subject: RE: The ever popular BIKE SPEED!
i once read an article about Natascha Badmann, and her comment about cycling was it took her 5 YEARS! to get her "cycling legs." so keep peddling.

that being said, I think it's also important to have some variety in your training. Hills, intervals, jump sprints, lead-outs, long rides, easy rides, no ride, weight training. obviously I am oversimplifying, but you get the idea. Mix it up. And ride LOTS.
2008-07-23 3:58 PM
in reply to: #1553525

Subject: ...
This user's post has been ignored.


2008-07-23 4:00 PM
in reply to: #1553525

Resident Curmudgeon
25290
50005000500050005000100100252525
The Road Back
Gold member
Subject: RE: The ever popular BIKE SPEED!
Tempo work
2008-07-23 4:00 PM
in reply to: #1553551

Regular
107
100
Subject: RE: The ever popular BIKE SPEED!
3558 - 2008-07-23 4:56 PM

Buy some Zipps and an aero helmet. Oh, and maybe a bento box, apparently that helps. And keep the straw cut short on your aero bottle. Shave your legs.

Why train when you can spend money?

 

haha well im on the broke side so i have to stick to the old fashion stuff.

 raw talent.

2008-07-23 4:10 PM
in reply to: #1553530

Expert
937
50010010010010025
Traverse Cityish
Subject: RE: The ever popular BIKE SPEED!
trixie - 2008-07-23 4:52 PM

Yes.


Yes X2.

Riding hilly routes and group rides helps as well.
2008-07-23 4:55 PM
in reply to: #1553559

Champion
10668
500050005001002525
Tacoma, Washington
Subject: RE: The ever popular BIKE SPEED!

Group rides are the poor-man's motor pacing. Truly. And let me tell you motor pacing will go a LONG way to building TT speed.

With the group riding and motor pacing you want to do a few things --

1) follow at your race pace for recovery, then duck out of the draft and hold that speed for your allotted interval time. The trick is that your recovery is at your race speed, even if you're not actually pushing the wind at that speed.

2) Have the motor crank up a little FASTER than your race speed. And do the same thing as above. You're going to go anaerobic when you duck out of the draft, and then you're FORCED to recover at speed.

3) Have the motor start a little slower than your race speed, and slowly, ever so slowly increase the speed. Hang on as long as you can. That draft is your life line. Lose the draft and you'll fall into the far distance. This is one thing that group rides will do very well -- when the hammer drops, you GOTTA stay on to stay in the draft or you're OFF the back.

This will do a couple things for you -- you'll get comfy with the feeling of turning over bigger gears, and you'll learn that you can suffer a whole lot more than you do now, and you won't die.

2008-07-23 5:57 PM
in reply to: #1553525

Regular
107
100
Subject: RE: The ever popular BIKE SPEED!
Sweet guys. Thanks for all the input. It will feverishly be put into my upcoming workouts!


2008-07-23 6:11 PM
in reply to: #1553603

Sensei
Sin City
Subject: RE: The ever popular BIKE SPEED!

Nelg - 2008-07-23 2:10 PM
trixie - 2008-07-23 4:52 PM Yes.
Yes X2. Riding hilly routes and group rides helps as well.

I agree...

Hills worked better for me than interval training or something like that.....



Edited by Aikidoman 2008-07-23 6:12 PM
2008-07-23 6:30 PM
in reply to: #1553525

Pro
4828
2000200050010010010025
The Land of Ice and Snow
Subject: RE: The ever popular BIKE SPEED!
Hills and cycling with riders who are way faster than you. Worked for me!
2008-07-23 6:58 PM
in reply to: #1553525

Coach
10487
50005000100100100100252525
Boston, MA
Subject: RE: The ever popular BIKE SPEED!
goknights1 - 2008-07-23 3:50 PM

I know that it means more time in the saddle. But for running its interval work and farleks that get your speed up. So could the same techniques be tagged to the bike?

Right now im doing an arse load of hill work.

Any more ideas OTHER than "more time in the saddle"? 

I thought it was about workload and not specific sessions...

yes you can do more instense sessions on the bike (it is more forgiving than running) but still a higher training load (volume + intensity) is what will make you fitter/faster. You can do Tempo rides (zone 3) 90-120 min or threshold sessions 20-60 min but only as part of a total load, IOW some other days you'll ride hard and short, other moderate and mid distance and others ride longer and easier (Z2).  i.e. of tempo sessions - 2x30 min @ Z3 (build to 4x30min, 2x60 min, 90 min, 120 min, etc) i.e. for threshold sessions - 4x5 min @ Z4 (build to 8-10x5 min, 4x10 min, 3x15 min, 2x20 min, 60 min, etc)

2008-07-23 7:04 PM
in reply to: #1553970

Expert
908
500100100100100
Niskayuna, New York
Subject: RE: The ever popular BIKE SPEED!
The bear mentioned tempo rides which I think help a great deal. I also have to support those that said hills. I rode a fairly flat course a little while back and was not too impressed with my speed on it. Since then all my hard workouts were on hilly courses because thats pretty much all there is by me, and its hard to gauge improvement (for me at least) riding like that. Then my first triathlon came and BAM I averaged 20.5 on the rolling bike course. I couldn't believe it! I have to give the credit to the hills for the huge jump in speed.
2008-07-24 3:17 PM
in reply to: #1553525

Master
2621
2000500100
Mechanicsburg, PA
Subject: RE: The ever popular BIKE SPEED!

I would like to add; I got faster with group rides and long solo tempo rides where I could spin my off.  I like to do 100-110 rpms training rides to train my legs to spin fast.  I built power (still working on it) with jumps (again in groups rides is fun), intervals and hills.  I still think that legs speed ie… cadence and rpms is the ticket to getting faster.

Good luck.

Oh yeah pro do motor pacing.  Not recommended unless you have a very experienced team.  Death may occur.   



2008-07-24 3:45 PM
in reply to: #1556728

Champion
10668
500050005001002525
Tacoma, Washington
Subject: RE: The ever popular BIKE SPEED!
Which is why you can come somewhat close to motorpacing with group rides. Safer if you don't have a good motor or derny to follow...
2008-07-24 4:42 PM
in reply to: #1553525

Regular
107
100
Subject: RE: The ever popular BIKE SPEED!
umm, what exactly is "motor pacing"?
2008-07-25 10:56 AM
in reply to: #1557037

Champion
10668
500050005001002525
Tacoma, Washington
Subject: RE: The ever popular BIKE SPEED!

Originally it was an event on the track where the bike rider drafts behind a specially-modified motorcycle (a derny: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derny) at very high speed. But the same can be done on the road (pick VERY lightly traveled roads, and your own speed) with a scooter or small motorcycle (if you don't have a roller on the back of the motorcycle, be very cautious that you don't hit your front tire when drafting close).

New Thread
General Discussion Triathlon Talk » The ever popular BIKE SPEED! Rss Feed