Ricco Admits to EPO & Flawed Testing
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2008-07-30 11:15 AM |
Master 1718 Loughborough, England | Subject: Ricco Admits to EPO & Flawed Testing Ricardo Ricco has finally admitted to using EPO - his reason: "After the Giro, I had no plans to go to the Tour, and that is why I have taken the substance," Riccò said. "I made a mistake of youth." But he does makes a very good and also very worring point: "Of the 10 controls taken, only two were positive. In theory all the tests should have been positive, therefore the method needs to be checked" Clearly the testing procedures are not really that great and these results show that they are only working 20% of the time! |
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2008-07-30 12:32 PM in reply to: #1569971 |
Champion 7347 SRQ, FL | Subject: RE: Ricco Admits to EPO & Flawed Testing That's about the dumbest excuse I have ever heard. "I know I have no chance of winning this race so I'll cheat" Idiot... However the fact that only 20% of the samples came back as positive is a bit disconcerning. SO how many other cheaters slipped thru the cracks by luck? |
2008-07-30 7:20 PM in reply to: #1569971 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: Ricco Admits to EPO & Flawed Testing Remember, analytical tests are set up to avoid false positives. To many accusations later not confirmed or proven would be even more damaging to credibility of the testing lab. They already have image porblems (undeserved IMHO). Usually, there's a threshold of detection well above lowest limit of quantitation (LLQ). Remeber Floyd's T/E ratio? Native is 1:1 testosterone / epitestosterone, limit for positive is 4:1 T/E and his was 13:1? You REALLY need to fail these controls. That's why the "B" sample (when it's viable unlike Tyler's blood being frozen debaucle) almost never comes back negative. It confirms an already pretty slam dunk positive of the "A" sample. So yeah, Ricco might have only had 1 in 5 "A" samples exceed that limit where they're sure, but I'd bet even money they all had something above LLQ. Interesting chemistry lesson side note: I read that what did him in is the Roche adds a "marker" to Micera (The long-acting EPO Ricco used). Everyone was stunned that they found this New EPO. It wouldn't be detected by the conventional EPO test (of course; it's a different molecule than standard EPO and gets converted in vivo). They didn't; they found this tracer molecule which Roche adds to prevent counterfiting. Most drugs now contain trace marker substances making counterfitting more difficult. Roche gave them the test b/c they didn't want the bad press. http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/wada-ahead-of-the-curve-with-... |
2008-07-30 8:26 PM in reply to: #1569971 |
4 | Subject: RE: Ricco Admits to EPO & Flawed Testing tridantri - 2008-07-30 11:15 AM Ricardo Ricco has finally admitted to using EPO - his reason: "After the Giro, I had no plans to go to the Tour, and that is why I have taken the substance," Riccò said. "I made a mistake of youth." But he does makes a very good and also very worring point: "Of the 10 controls taken, only two were positive. In theory all the tests should have been positive, therefore the method needs to be checked" Clearly the testing procedures are not really that great and these results show that they are only working 20% of the time!
That if he is not lying about WHEN he took it. And what's the point of taking EPO if you are not going to compete? Was he expecting to get high?
I think he is just stupid and now he is saying whatever he was advised to say. |
2008-07-30 10:54 PM in reply to: #1571558 |
Champion 6627 Rochester Hills, Michigan | Subject: RE: Ricco Admits to EPO & Flawed Testing pitt83 - 2008-07-30 8:20 PM Remember, analytical tests are set up to avoid false positives. To many accusations later not confirmed or proven would be even more damaging to credibility of the testing lab. They already have image porblems (undeserved IMHO). Usually, there's a threshold of detection well above lowest limit of quantitation (LLQ). Remeber Floyd's T/E ratio? Native is 1:1 testosterone / epitestosterone, limit for positive is 4:1 T/E and his was 13:1? You REALLY need to fail these controls. That's why the "B" sample (when it's viable unlike Tyler's blood being frozen debaucle) almost never comes back negative. It confirms an already pretty slam dunk positive of the "A" sample. So yeah, Ricco might have only had 1 in 5 "A" samples exceed that limit where they're sure, but I'd bet even money they all had something above LLQ. Interesting chemistry lesson side note: I read that what did him in is the Roche adds a "marker" to Micera (The long-acting EPO Ricco used). Everyone was stunned that they found this New EPO. It wouldn't be detected by the conventional EPO test (of course; it's a different molecule than standard EPO and gets converted in vivo). They didn't; they found this tracer molecule which Roche adds to prevent counterfiting. Most drugs now contain trace marker substances making counterfitting more difficult. Roche gave them the test b/c they didn't want the bad press. http://www.bikeradar.com/news/article/wada-ahead-of-the-curve-with-micera-17613[/QUOTE] I'll throw it down here, because I can. Ricco is immature, at a minimum. We've all been there. At the max, he was a little overconfident the system wouldn't get him. Wrong, as it turned out. I'm not a fan of anyone that started the TDF knowing that they were doping and trying to cheat the system, but he got caught, and he's shared what he went through with the authorities. Props to the cheater.
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