Run By Time, not by distance (Page 2)
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2005-02-15 3:00 PM in reply to: #117596 |
Elite 2458 Livingston, MT | Subject: RE: Run By Time, not by distance Steve- - 2005-02-15 11:48 AM I think what we've learned here is that if you can't cover 50%-80% of the distance of your race in under 3 hours, then the race is probabaly too long for you.... (speak particularly of IM and 1/2 IM races) meaning you'll be "illprepared" for the race. (like my new word?) That's, at least, what I'm taking away from all of this. Steve, how can you say such things? You mean people should actually be able to perform at a certain level in order to race IM's? What a novel concept... This is blasphemy and you should be taken out back and flogged. After all, what's wrong with a six or seven hour marathon (or a 15 hour IM for that matter)? bahahahaha |
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2005-02-15 3:05 PM in reply to: #117611 |
Elite 3235 San Diego | Subject: RE: Run By Time, not by distance Well, I barely make the 50-80% in 3 hours. Does that mean I should quit? I don't understand why just because I am slow, that I am not capable of doing this race. And Chucky don't even start with this 15 hour BS. Finish your Half IM before you start. Edited by madcow 2005-02-15 3:07 PM |
2005-02-15 3:09 PM in reply to: #117612 |
Expert 751 Texarkana, TX | Subject: RE: Run By Time, not by distance madcow - 2005-02-15 1:05 PM Well, I barely make the 50-80% in 3 hours. Does that mean I should quit? I don't understand why just because I am slow, that I am not capable of doing this race. Hey, that's Chucky's opinion, not mine Seriously, I think it means that you have to choose what you are going to risk. You can either risk recovery time (and possibly injury) by running extra long in training, or you can risk doing the race without meeting some requisite training mileage goals. BTW, how long is your longest run gonna be, anyways? |
2005-02-15 4:18 PM in reply to: #117611 |
Elite 3498 Chicago | Subject: RE: Run By Time, not by distance ChuckyFinster - 2005-02-15 2:00 PM Steve- - 2005-02-15 11:48 AM Steve, how can you say such things? You mean people should actually be able to perform at a certain level in order to race IM's? What a novel concept... This is blasphemy and you should be taken out back and flogged. After all, what's wrong with a six or seven hour marathon (or a 15 hour IM for that matter)? bahahahaha I think what we've learned here is that if you can't cover 50%-80% of the distance of your race in under 3 hours, then the race is probabaly too long for you.... (speak particularly of IM and 1/2 IM races) meaning you'll be "illprepared" for the race. (like my new word?) That's, at least, what I'm taking away from all of this. I was being facetious...er...jocular. If you want to race an IM with your longest run being 11 miles and your longest bike being 50 miles...more power to ya. (he he he he he) Edited by Steve- 2005-02-15 4:21 PM |
2005-02-15 4:31 PM in reply to: #117612 |
Elite 2458 Livingston, MT | Subject: RE: Run By Time, not by distance madcow - 2005-02-15 12:05 PM Well, I barely make the 50-80% in 3 hours. Does that mean I should quit? I don't understand why just because I am slow, that I am not capable of doing this race. And Chucky don't even start with this 15 hour BS. Finish your Half IM before you start. bahahahaha, you know I got nothing but love for you MadCow If I can't push your buttons, whose buttons can I push? |
2005-02-15 4:36 PM in reply to: #117617 |
New user 6 Carlsbad, California | Subject: RE: Run By Time, not by distance << BTW, how long is your longest run gonna be, anyways? I can answer that for Tom, his longest run is going to be in the 18 - 20 mile range. Tom just did his first 18 mile run and did very well with it. More than likely it will be 18 miles for his next and final long, long run. The exact distance will depend on the discussion between him and I as to whether he feels the need psychologically to go a bit past 18 miles. Personally I don't think he needs too but the psycholgical need needs to be met as well as the physical need. Physcially I don't think he is going to gain anything more doing 20 then he will doing 18 at this point, but the physical is only part of the equation. |
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2005-02-15 4:41 PM in reply to: #117702 |
Expert 751 Texarkana, TX | Subject: RE: Run By Time, not by distance MikePlumb - 2005-02-15 2:36 PM << BTW, how long is your longest run gonna be, anyways? I can answer that for Tom, his longest run is going to be in the 18 - 20 mile range. ... Physcially I don't think he is going to gain anything more doing 20 then he will doing 18 at this point, but the physical is only part of the equation. Ah-HA! Stupid mental part of the equation. X#@X@!$%@#!! |
2005-02-15 5:06 PM in reply to: #117702 |
Elite 3498 Chicago | Subject: RE: Run By Time, not by distance MikePlumb - 2005-02-15 3:36 PM << BTW, how long is your longest run gonna be, anyways? I can answer that for Tom, his longest run is going to be in the 18 - 20 mile range. Tom just did his first 18 mile run and did very well with it. More than likely it will be 18 miles for his next and final long, long run. The exact distance will depend on the discussion between him and I as to whether he feels the need psychologically to go a bit past 18 miles. Personally I don't think he needs too but the psycholgical need needs to be met as well as the physical need. Physcially I don't think he is going to gain anything more doing 20 then he will doing 18 at this point, but the physical is only part of the equation. That's 68.7% of the race distance. So, Tom, you are officially cleared by BT members to race IMAZ. I'm sure you are relieved to hear that.... Edited by Steve- 2005-02-15 5:06 PM |
2005-02-15 5:16 PM in reply to: #117725 |
Elite 3235 San Diego | Subject: RE: Run By Time, not by distance |
2005-02-15 5:55 PM in reply to: #117732 |
Elite 3498 Chicago | Subject: RE: Run By Time, not by distance madcow - 2005-02-15 4:16 PM Yeah, I'm glad I got the OK Sorry if I was bitter earlier. You should be especially glad that you got the OK from the BT site and not some coach with oodles of knowledge and experience....gggeeeezzzzzz.... |
2005-02-16 9:10 AM in reply to: #112834 |
Expert 680 NC Illinois | Subject: RE: Run By Time, not by distance One arguement from Be Ironfit is it is easier to schedule a 'X' minute workout session then an 'Y' mile run (ride, swim..). 45 minutes will always be 45 minutes I think I do this .... but maybe not. It's easy to "train by time" in the pool. Swim for 45 minutes, when it's been 45 minutes ... get out and go home. When running/biking, I say "I'm going to run for an hour". In my mind I have a 6-mile course in mind (I'm slow). So, I run out 3 miles, turn around, and come home. Now, if for some reason I am off, and after an hour, I've only ran 5 miles, what do I do? Call my wife and ask her to come pick me up? =) I would have to say that most times, training for time and distance will be indecipherable if the person has the experience to select a distance appropriate for the time they need to train. For me I know I can hold 10min/mile, 15-16mph, and 2:15/100y for long duration for most days. So, I select my distances based on that. If someone thing goes wrong (like 20mph winds), foot painb, cramps, etc ... I don't sweat it, I adjust. maybe I go slower, or cut the distance short. I don't see a huge descrepency between training for distance or training by time ... unless someone is selecting distances that are not appropriate for them. i.e., a newbie saying they'll run 10 miles in an hour run, or ride 40 miles in 2 hours, etc. |
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