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2008-08-12 9:43 PM
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Subject: RE: Early Vertical Forearm (EVF)
Good blog post. The Go Swim DVD really stresses this concept as key to increasing power and it has made my swimming more enjoyable if not a bit faster. It's quite easy to learn and I wonder how I ever swam any way else. The visualization used in the Go Swim DVD is to pretend that you're paddling a surfboard. That's a pretty way to visualize it.

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2008-08-12 10:10 PM
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Subject: RE: Early Vertical Forearm (EVF)
A good drill is to swim freestyle, but keep your arms under water on the recovery. You can really focus on getting a good vertical forearm at the catch. You'll also notice how easy it is to engage your lats when you do this. Swimming like this is very tiring, so it's best to do a 25 followed by a 25 swim.

A swim aid you can use to swim with that will force a vertical forearm is the Finis Forearm Fulcrum Paddle:




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2008-08-13 6:50 AM
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Subject: RE: Early Vertical Forearm (EVF)
Good post, this is the way in which I was able to knock my swim times down considerably.

Another way to practice/visualize this is by laying on a bench (like on a surf board position) and ask the athlete to stroke and practice EVF along the bench which due to the position forces to keep a high elbow and exaggerate the EVF.

2008-08-13 7:20 AM
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Grrrr, I'm at work and the computer won't let me on the blog site.  My swim coach is really pushing the EVF with me.  I bought a tech paddle for that purpose.  The paddle slides up and has a flat spot over the forearm extending out a few inches on each side., has a strap around the wrist and then you hold it in a fist.  (found them on a google search on his advice)  It has really helped....along with simple touch up and fist drills to improve my stroke efficiency.


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2008-08-13 8:22 PM
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PennState - 2008-08-13 6:01 PM

I have actually ordered the techpaddles, and will see if they help. As Scott mentioned, there are some other training toys you can use as well.

Jorge, I was actually doing what you were describing at my gym last night... I am sure people thought I was strange, but it does help quite a bit.

If you don't do it currently, another great way to imprint the movement is to use elastic bands and just with one arm practice the EVF as many reps as you can and then do the other arm. literallly a few mins of doing this a few times x week will help tons in the pool (for muscle memory not really for strength)
2008-08-13 9:11 PM
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This is also similar to the high elbow catch (HEC) that the Halo Swim Trainer system describes. Any visualization or mantra to help you mimic the correct motion is going to be very helpful.

Most people wrongly thing that High Elbow refers to the recovery (it can...) but if you watch the HEC video here (among other places...first place I found it on google just now):
http://www.wonderhowto.com/how-to/video/how-to-practice-the-high-el...


You'll see how the cutout "halo" device helps imprint this movement.
2008-08-14 12:41 PM
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I focused on this technique during my swim drills and ladder workout today and I have to say that I felt much faster. Until a week or so ago I was swimming 100m repeats with an average of 2:00-2:05. After watching Phelps and applying some of what I have read on these threads in the last week, I averaged 1:53 last night. Concentrated on drills and form today but I timed my last 100m in my ladder as 1:44. Probably the fastest 100m split I have done in 20 years!

Can't wait to hit the pool tomorrow.
2008-08-14 2:47 PM
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amiine - 2008-08-13 5:22 PM

PennState - 2008-08-13 6:01 PM

I have actually ordered the techpaddles, and will see if they help. As Scott mentioned, there are some other training toys you can use as well.

Jorge, I was actually doing what you were describing at my gym last night... I am sure people thought I was strange, but it does help quite a bit.

If you don't do it currently, another great way to imprint the movement is to use elastic bands and just with one arm practice the EVF as many reps as you can and then do the other arm. literallly a few mins of doing this a few times x week will help tons in the pool (for muscle memory not really for strength)


Some variations with cords:

Lay on your back on the floor. Anchor your elbow to the floor and initially work on getting your forearm vertical while keeping your elbow on the floor, then add in the pull motion.

Lay on your back on a swiss ball. You can actually work on rotation and add core work at the same time.

scott


2008-08-14 7:41 PM
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hagakure - 2008-08-14 11:41 AM

I focused on this technique during my swim drills and ladder workout today and I have to say that I felt much faster. Until a week or so ago I was swimming 100m repeats with an average of 2:00-2:05. After watching Phelps and applying some of what I have read on these threads in the last week, I averaged 1:53 last night. Concentrated on drills and form today but I timed my last 100m in my ladder as 1:44. Probably the fastest 100m split I have done in 20 years!

Can't wait to hit the pool tomorrow.


Sweet! Sometimes it just takes a little change in form to break trhough a plateau! Imprint this movement with frequent drills and you'll build up that muscle endurance to maintain form through an entire swim event!
2008-08-14 8:06 PM
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2008-08-14 8:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Early Vertical Forearm (EVF)
I have been trying to incorporate this into my stroke. I have been watching a couple of videos from http://www.youtube.com/user/evanscoaching several times a week to remind myself.

I currently average about 1:30 per 100 in the longer distances and around 1:20 doing fast 100s

Swimming is my strong point, but I am willing to try anything to get even faster. I swam in HS, and back then (late 90s) they were still teaching the Under the body S-Stroke, with more body roll. I have been watching lots of footage of Phelps and Thorpe trying to mimick them
2008-08-14 8:16 PM
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 This has been a very informative post and thanks to all that contributed. Thumbs up or down on the goswim product line?
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2008-10-21 9:49 AM
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OK, so I've read the post, watched the olympic vids and still have questions.  Thanks by the way, this is great stuff.  I've gotten so much faster almost over night.

If getting a nice long extended arm (pushing through air rather than water) is a key then why should I have a high elbow on my recovery (while my arm is out of the water)?  If the arm is just going to land almost flat in the water (but through a mail slot or under my pillow) why waste the time and energy to lift so high?  It can't be to get EVF because after the long extension you need to start the EVF all over again anyway.  The sensation that has worked for me to get EVF after the extension is to grab and carry a rolled up carpet.

So, my guess is that a high elbow in the air during recovery is to aid in getting your body on its side?  To stay lean in the water.

But, watching the 4x100 olympics those guys couldn't be flatter in the water.  Is the difference the very short distance and that they are simly powering through the water faster than what switching from side to side would do.  For us, we need to switch from side to side because we can't power through a swim for an half hour straight (much like why we don't kick as frantically as they are)?  Am I way off?

2008-10-21 12:14 PM
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Subject: RE: Early Vertical Forearm (EVF)

yaqui - 2008-08-12 11:10 PM A good drill is to swim freestyle, but keep your arms under water on the recovery. You can really focus on getting a good vertical forearm at the catch. You'll also notice how easy it is to engage your lats when you do this. Swimming like this is very tiring, so it's best to do a 25 followed by a 25 swim. A swim aid you can use to swim with that will force a vertical forearm is the Finis Forearm Fulcrum Paddle: scott

 

These things are the greatest swim toy ever invented.  REALLY helped clean up my stroke.  They let you feel what the EVF catch is supposed to feel like, so you can duplicate it without them.  Unlike paddles and fists, they don't make your catch feel different (if you are doing it right).

The mental image that worked for me with EVF was to grab and 'arm full' of water.  Don't think about catching water with your hand, but capturing an entire arm full.  Like if you had a desk full of M&M's and needed to clear them off in a hurry.

As far as I can remember, high elbow has more to do with rotation then it does with extension and EVF but it does help put your forearm in the proper plane to enter the water upon extension.

2008-10-21 12:27 PM
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Wow, great video.  Thanks for sharing it.
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