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2008-08-29 12:22 PM


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I am in week 4 of a 7 week training program for my first sprint.  Last week I injured my achilles tendon.  It feels better today.  However, I have a 60 min run scheduled for tomorrow.  I am determined to do this race and dont want to miss training for the run.  Any suggestion for tomorrow.  I considered braking up the run to 2 30 min sessions.  I also considered the treadmill or the eliptical?  I know it best to run out side for the 60 but I am afrade of the injury.  How would you balance the need to run and the preservation of the body.. 

 

I just can skip the run so I need other solutions.. Thanks-



2008-08-29 12:43 PM
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Skip run. Ride or swim for your workout. That is one of the great things about tris. We can adjust as needed.
2008-08-29 12:48 PM
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Who thinks I sould skip completely? And why?  Or are there other solutions???
2008-08-29 12:49 PM
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A 60 min run in the 4th week of training sounds pretty aggressive, you may want to re-evaluate that training plan to begin with.
2008-08-29 12:50 PM
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It s the only plan that I have.  Also it is the only one I found that pres for a sprint in 8 weeks..  Most were 12 or 16 weeks...
2008-08-29 12:54 PM
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How long is the run in this "sprint"?

Ice is your friend.



2008-08-29 12:55 PM
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That sounds like a super aggressive plan to begin with, and you don't want to risk further injury that may prevent you from competing altogether. I would just swim or bike instead. Perhaps later down the road, if you are completely recovered, you can sub in a 60 min run where you would normally swim or bike.

2008-08-29 12:57 PM
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3.2 miles....

Who else thinks a 60 min run is aggressive for a sprint?

2008-08-29 1:01 PM
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Thaitri - 2008-08-29 1:57 PM

Who else thinks a 60 min run is aggressive for a sprint?

I think it depends on what want to achieve in the race. But if you're a "newbie" with modest goals, I think you'd do fine without it. 

2008-08-29 1:01 PM
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Also the plan has me running only 2x per week...

2008-08-29 1:02 PM
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A 60 minute training run is not aggressive for a sprint.

A 60 minute training run is aggressive for someone who has only been running for 4 weeks.

A 60 minute training run is way too aggressive for someone nursing a very recent achilles injury.

You asked: "How would you balance the need to run and the preservation of the body?" and the only honest answer is that your health comes first. There will be other races. Esp with the achilles - don't mess around with tempting a permanent injury.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

 

 



2008-08-29 1:06 PM
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Great reply.. Ok I' do something instead of the run.  I have a 2 hour bike ride on sunday.. is that aggressive for a sprint as well???
2008-08-29 1:07 PM
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sty - 2008-08-29 1:02 PM

A 60 minute training run is not aggressive for a sprint.

A 60 minute training run is aggressive for someone who has only been running for 4 weeks.

A 60 minute training run is way too aggressive for someone nursing a very recent achilles injury.

You asked: "How would you balance the need to run and the preservation of the body?" and the only honest answer is that your health comes first. There will be other races. Esp with the achilles - don't mess around with tempting a permanent injury.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

 

 

 

x2, don't tempt a permanent injury for 1 race.  there will be other races  Just swim and bike instead.  as long as you are getting your cardio in, it's not going to hurt you as bad as you might think

2008-08-29 1:11 PM
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60 min is too aggressive for 4 weeks of training. It blows away the 10% rule that most athlete try to follow. Don't increase your mileage by more than 10% a week.
My first year i tried bumping up way too quick and got a very bad case of runner knee. It was so severe that I can to get a shot of cortisone just to get through the race. My last month of running was spent on the elliptical trainer.

The race is 3 miles of running which means at most it should take you 30 minutes. You will be so keyed up on race day that sheer adrenaline will get you though most of it.

If you can already run 60 min then swimming will be just as good.

my 2cts......
2008-08-29 1:12 PM
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Thaitri - 2008-08-29 2:01 PM

Also the plan has me running only 2x per week...

What is the duration of the other run on the plan?  I think 60 minutes is a long run for someone that is just starting out.  Take it easy, don't worry about missing the run, and heal from your injury. 

Increase the duration of your runs SLOWLY.  If the plan only has you running twice a week and one of the runs is 60 minutes maybe try tweaking the program a bit to fit your needs.  I think it took me at least 4 months to build up to a 60 minute run.

2008-08-29 1:17 PM
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If you train through an injury it often takes much much longer to heal than if you stop and let it heal when it first occurs. Why do you think you got it in the first place? Maybe to much to soon?

Skip the run....

I've had achillies issues and when I start back running  I would run 10 minutes and see how my body responded to that. Never would I first run back go for an hour run. 

Always better to err on the side of caution. We do this for fun..be kind to your body. 



2008-08-29 1:17 PM
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Aqua-JOG, get a float belt, get in the deep end of a pool and run, run your little heart out, you'll get about 65% of the cardio effect, and you will not do any more damage to a very very delicate and vital part of your body. You could do about 75% of your runs this way, and still have a good race.

P.S. Go see a real Doc or at least a P.T. for a more exact recovery plan. 

 

2008-08-29 1:46 PM
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OK, guys run is OUT....  I will do something instead..  Bike, swim, lift what ever is avalaible.  My next scheduled run is next Wednesday for 45 min.. 

 

Thank you all for caring about me.... Seriously ,, Thanks...

2008-08-29 2:02 PM
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Here are a few plans I found.  I'm trying the beginner duathlon.

http://www.team-magic.com/training_plans.htm

 Here is an 8 week Beginner Triathlon
http://www.team-magic.com/8_Week_Sprint_Tri_Plan.pdf

Even the intermediate plan doesn't have 60 min runs.

2008-08-29 3:45 PM
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Trust me, as someone who trained through pain and increased my training too fast.  Don't push an injury.  I finally had to stop running and haven't run since the end of May.  My poor foot won't allow. It's just now getting to where I think I might be able to do some work on an elliptical.  That is after I find the cash for new running shoes.  I ramped up my training too fast and ran through too much pain and have learned my lesson the hard way. 
2008-08-29 3:50 PM
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stchase34 - 2008-08-29 1:11 PM

60 min is too aggressive for 4 weeks of training. It blows away the 10% rule that most athlete try to follow. Don't increase your mileage by more than 10% a week.
My first year i tried bumping up way too quick and got a very bad case of runner knee. It was so severe that I can to get a shot of cortisone just to get through the race. My last month of running was spent on the elliptical trainer.

The race is 3 miles of running which means at most it should take you 30 minutes. You will be so keyed up on race day that sheer adrenaline will get you though most of it.

If you can already run 60 min then swimming will be just as good.

my 2cts......


Just curious...but what makes you think that everyone can finish 3 miles in 30 minutes? I'm not implying that the OP can't do it...but saying that "at most it should take you 30 minutes" is a pretty bold statement to make, considering that we know nothing about the OP's fitness level. What we do know is that the OP just started training 4 weeks ago, is up to running 60 minutes 2x per week...nowhere does the OP state the total distance that is being covered in that 60 minutes. It could be 6+ miles...but then again, it could be 5 or 4 at a slower pace.


2008-08-29 3:50 PM
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I would aqua jog, its still run training. Mark Allen wrote a long workout suggestion for all distances for sprint is was 2-2.5 times the distance (or time) So 60 mins is spot on. Most coaches my guess would agree. I run 2 hrs, for my Oly focus long run.
2008-08-29 5:25 PM
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nscrbug - 2008-08-29 4:50 PM
stchase34 - 2008-08-29 1:11 PM 60 min is too aggressive for 4 weeks of training. It blows away the 10% rule that most athlete try to follow. Don't increase your mileage by more than 10% a week. My first year i tried bumping up way too quick and got a very bad case of runner knee. It was so severe that I can to get a shot of cortisone just to get through the race. My last month of running was spent on the elliptical trainer. The race is 3 miles of running which means at most it should take you 30 minutes. You will be so keyed up on race day that sheer adrenaline will get you though most of it. If you can already run 60 min then swimming will be just as good. my 2cts......
Just curious...but what makes you think that everyone can finish 3 miles in 30 minutes? I'm not implying that the OP can't do it...but saying that "at most it should take you 30 minutes" is a pretty bold statement to make, considering that we know nothing about the OP's fitness level. What we do know is that the OP just started training 4 weeks ago, is up to running 60 minutes 2x per week...nowhere does the OP state the total distance that is being covered in that 60 minutes. It could be 6+ miles...but then again, it could be 5 or 4 at a slower pace.

5K in 30 min, while not medal-worthy, is certainly a pretty good pace IMO, especially since this 'ol fart routinely runs close to this pace.  

 

2008-08-29 5:43 PM
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X2 on what sty said above.

Be realistic, you have an injury, and an Achilles is not something to mess with.  It can lead to other issues such as calf and foot problems. 

Last year I left the tri pride home and did an Oly with no running for 6 weeks up to the event because of Plantar Fasciitis but I trained hard for the swim and bike and had a good race (all things considered) with a run/walk for the 6.2 miles.

 



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2008-08-29 5:48 PM
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sty - 2008-08-29 5:25 PM

nscrbug - 2008-08-29 4:50 PM
stchase34 - 2008-08-29 1:11 PM 60 min is too aggressive for 4 weeks of training. It blows away the 10% rule that most athlete try to follow. Don't increase your mileage by more than 10% a week. My first year i tried bumping up way too quick and got a very bad case of runner knee. It was so severe that I can to get a shot of cortisone just to get through the race. My last month of running was spent on the elliptical trainer. The race is 3 miles of running which means at most it should take you 30 minutes. You will be so keyed up on race day that sheer adrenaline will get you though most of it. If you can already run 60 min then swimming will be just as good. my 2cts......
Just curious...but what makes you think that everyone can finish 3 miles in 30 minutes? I'm not implying that the OP can't do it...but saying that "at most it should take you 30 minutes" is a pretty bold statement to make, considering that we know nothing about the OP's fitness level. What we do know is that the OP just started training 4 weeks ago, is up to running 60 minutes 2x per week...nowhere does the OP state the total distance that is being covered in that 60 minutes. It could be 6+ miles...but then again, it could be 5 or 4 at a slower pace.

5K in 30 min, while not medal-worthy, is certainly a pretty good pace IMO, especially since this 'ol fart routinely runs close to this pace.  

 



I totally agree with you (and FWIW, I run that pace too)...which is why I posted about the person commenting that "at MOST it should take 30 minutes". Heck, 30 minutes is good for me. LOL
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